Thomas Enders CEO from Airbus says: "Airbus will rethink investments in the Uk

[UKBengali]

They are really angry & emotional right now seeing what's happened to their economies & the future of their EU .

By the way @UKBengali mate did u support Brexit? And will Brexit lead to any rise in racism,xenophobia or attacks on minorities as some of the BremaIN campaign claimed?

I could not decide either way and did not vote.

Brexit will not lead to any increase in racism or xenophobia as English people are very tolerant
to outsiders.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Yes, and the Messerschmitt 262 got its engine core from which of the countries above?

I was talking about the modern jet engine.

 

[pts_m_h_2016]

Airbus can buy US engines then as no EU country currently makes engines to power the vast majority of the fleet.

I believe France is a founding member of the EU.

The French firm Snecma has some thing to offer in this department you requested information


http://www.safran-aircraft-engines....le-aisle-commercial-jets/cfm56/cfm56-heritage

CFM International, a 50/50 joint company between Safran Aircraft Engines and GE, develops, produces and markets CFM56® engines, which now power some 11,000 single-aisle commercial jetliners worldwide. Renowned for its unparalleled reliability and low cost of ownership, the CFM56 is the best-selling engine in the history of aviation.

When nobody is an expert in a joint project, then everything will end up as a failure like the Galileo navigation system.

Why do you think the Galileo navigation system is a failure? Is China's Beidou system any more accurate? I believe it's the opposite. Galileo navigation system is more accurate in trials?

Either from RR or GE.

That's why the Anglo-Saxons can become so dominant in the western world, because they absolutely control all the critical technologies.

Snecma is a counterexample.

http://www.safran-aircraft-engines....le-aisle-commercial-jets/cfm56/cfm56-heritage

CFM International, a 50/50 joint company between Safran Aircraft Engines and GE, develops, produces and markets CFM56® engines, which now power some 11,000 single-aisle commercial jetliners worldwide. Renowned for its unparalleled reliability and low cost of ownership, the CFM56 is the best-selling engine in the history of aviation.

The core of Snecma's engine belongs to the P&W.

The only countries that has developed their own engine core are US, UK, Russia, and China.

Can you clarify what you mean?
Which engine uses P&W core?

Unlike Snecma, MTU cannot build all the components of a jet engine.

Snecma is below Pratt and Whitney in engine tech, never mid anywhere near Rolls Royce and General Electric.

How did you make this absurd system of ranking?
What criteria did you use?
From space programme to nuclear programme, ballistic missiles to air defense systems, radars and optronics to most other civilian and military areas including transportation and even luxury products, France and the EU have an absolute dominance over the UK, and in many areas, also over the USA.

I believe Snecma used their M-88 core to develop the Sam 146 engine that powers the Sukhoi Superjet. But that is only a small airliner and Snecma will find it impossible to make competitive engines for medium size airliners, let alone large airlines.

To the contrary, Snecma already engages in all segments of the civilian and military aero engine and space engine markets. Unlike your beloved Rolls Royce.

When your British Rolls Royce can develop a space engine for the market or your beloved UK reaches anywhere near the sophisticated history and culture of France backed by high tech and foremost scientific contributions in the backdrop of a beautiful warm Southern French areas, you can come back.

The M-88 is not powerful enough, its thrust is even smaller than the WS-13.

To independently develop a core that equivalent to the F-110/AL-31/WS-10; only US, Russia, China, UK can do that.

That is why the M-88 is more advanced, in reality.

Did you consider that the M-88 hides its infrared signature via added cooling measures better than all Anglo American aero engines. nevermind compared to results with third world Russian or Chinese engines? And M-88 engine has better thrust to weight ratio than old F-110 engine, rusty AL-31 engine or non-reliable WS-10 engine, as a start?

Of course, neither thrust to weight ratio nor total thrust is the cornerstone and defining feature of a low bypass aero engine. And you probably know that it is much more difficult to develop smaller engines with higher thrust to weight ratios than larger engines with higher thrust to weight ratios.

France is not as technologically advanced as US or UK. It's technology is always not as good whichever high-tech field you look at.

Germany has been castrated since WW2 and it will take many decades of effort for it to reach the top-level again.

Name ten areas of civilian and ten areas of military superiority enjoyed by the UK over France, for a start.

I can give you twenty examples for both civilian and military sectors that France dominates the UK, if you wish.

Yep, France has probably sunk as technologically the weakest out of P5 nations.

- Its Barracuda class SSN isn't deployed yet, while China has already deployed several 9000 tons class Type 093B SSNs, it is better than the 688i and probably closer to the earliest block of the Virginia class.

- It doesn't have the core jet engine technology that equivalent to the F-110/AL-31/WS-10.

- Its M51 SLBM was not as successful as it touted to be, and now it is going back to the test stage in a water pool.

1. What secret classified information on Barracuda SSN do you have that others do not? And for Type 093 SSN?
Come back when you enjoy the same success in weapons exports market as France has done over decades.
The last I checked, even your dearest ally Pakistan uses French submarines currently, not some Chinese submarines. Any other customers for your Chinese submarines?

France just recently won in the Australian tender.

And just supplied Egypt with its 4,5 gen Rafale omnirole fighter, FREMM frigate to Morocco and Egypt, Mistral helicopter carrier to Egypt that was destined for your P5 'superior technology' member Russia that is now eating mud and permafrost out of desperation from Western sanctions.

Your beloved Russia goes with a begging bowl to France for its Sukhoi Superjet's engine and thousands of other things.


2. What core technology is it? French M-88 and upgrades are decisively superior than all the listed old rust buckets and secretive most probably non-performing Chinese WS-10 engines.

That explains why French fighter jets operate around the world's continents including Republic of China and recently Egypt, as well as Pakistan, UAE, Greece, and more, whereas, Chinese 4th gen fighter jets are sold nowhere.

Not even to North Korea.

J-10 has found a customer yet?

3. It is only Russian and Chinese SLBMs that have always failed.

The UK has no SLBM of its own. It uses American Trident-II SLBMs.

Only the USA has a superior system in the underwater launched ballistic missile system.

http://missilethreat.com/legacy-of-failure-is-hard-to-shake/

Russia and China continue to have problems getting their latest SLBM (Sea Launched Ballistic Missile) designs to work reliably. The Russian Bulava and Chinese JL-2 have both been announced as ready for use yet neither has actually entered service. This is a common pattern with Russian and Chinese military technology and is especially true with SLBMs.

There seems to be an unending series of problems with the new Russian and Chinese SLBMs. The latest Russian SLBM, the Bulava (also known as R-30 3M30 and SS-NX-30), was almost cancelled because test flights kept failing. The Bulava finally successfully completed its test program on December 23rd, 2011. That made 11 successful Bulava test firings out of 18 attempts. The last two missiles make five in a row that were successfully fired. As a result of this, the Bulava has been accepted into service, with a development test firing success rate of 61 percent. But there are still problems to be worked out and more test firings are coming. In early 2012 Russia announced that its SSBNs (nuclear powered ballistic missile boats) would resume long range “combat patrols” within a year. On schedule, the Russian Navy finally accepted its first new Borei class SSBN (Yury Dolgoruky) for service last December 30th. Thus, it appears that the newly commissioned Yury Dolgoruky will be the first Russian SSBN in many years to make a long range cruise, as soon as it has a working SLBM to arm it. The Russians will probably not announce this until it’s all over, lest something go wrong at sea. So far there has been no announcement one way or the other.

Then there is the Chinese JL (Julang) 2 SLBM, which was supposed to enter service five years ago and still hasn’t. This missile has had a lot of problems, as have the SSBNs that carried them. The 42 ton JL-2 has a range of 7,000 kilometers and would enable China to aim missiles at any target in the United States from a 094 class SSBN cruising off Hawaii or Alaska. Each 094 boat can carry twelve of these missiles, which are naval versions of the existing land based 42 ton DF-31 ICBM. No Chinese SSBN has ever gone on a combat cruise because these boats have been very unreliable in addition to having no dependable SLBMs to carry. The Type 94 class sub was seen recently undergoing what appears to be sea trials but it is unclear if that was a success. America, Russia, Britain, and France have all sent SSBNs out on patrols and still do. The U.S. has had SSBNs going out with nuclear armed, and ready to fire, missiles for over half a century. What is going on with China? There appears to be an unending supply of technical and political (fear of failure) problems. Russia and China are having similar problems with many other new ballistic and cruise missile designs that have been reported as out of development but not yet in service because additional problems showed up.

It doesn’t always have to be that way, but you don’t often hear about complex weapons that consistently perform flawlessly. They do exist. For example, test firings of production models of the U.S. Navy Trident II SLBM have never failed. Trident II is the standard SLBM for U.S. SSBNs. There have been 143 of these missile launches, which involve an SSBN (ballistic missile carrying nuclear sub) firing one of their Trident IIs, with the nuclear warhead replaced by one of similar weight but containing sensors and communications equipment.

The test results for the Trident while in development were equally impressive, with 87 percent successful (in 23 development tests) for the Trident I and 98 percent (49 tests) of the Trident II. The Trident I served from 1979-2005, while the Trident II entered service in 1990.

Good read.

An encyclopaedia of SLBM failures from two third world countries.

You guys can still buy from Russia if GE took this opportunity to hike the price tag.

It is the other way around.

Russian Sukhoi Superjet needs French guidance and aid.

That's why they come with begging bowls for their Sukhoi Superjet engines to Europe's doors, pleading in earnest as it were.

Know about the SaM146 engine?

 

[MarkusS]

I believe France is a founding member of the EU.

The French firm Snecma has some thing to offer in this department you requested information


http://www.safran-aircraft-engines....le-aisle-commercial-jets/cfm56/cfm56-heritage




Why do you think the Galileo navigation system is a failure? Is China's Beidou system any more accurate? I believe it's the opposite. Galileo navigation system is more accurate in trials?



Snecma is a counterexample.

http://www.safran-aircraft-engines....le-aisle-commercial-jets/cfm56/cfm56-heritage




Can you clarify what you mean?
Which engine uses P&W core?




How did you make this absurd system of ranking?
What criteria did you use?
From space programme to nuclear programme, ballistic missiles to air defense systems, radars and optronics to most other civilian and military areas including transportation and even luxury products, France and the EU have an absolute dominance over the UK, and in many areas, also over the USA.



To the contrary, Snecma already engages in all segments of the civilian and military aero engine and space engine markets. Unlike your beloved Rolls Royce.

When your British Rolls Royce can develop a space engine for the market or your beloved UK reaches anywhere near the sophisticated history and culture of France backed by high tech and foremost scientific contributions in the backdrop of a beautiful warm Southern French areas, you can come back.



That is why the M-88 is more advanced, in reality.

Did you consider that the M-88 hides its infrared signature via added cooling measures better than all Anglo American aero engines. nevermind compared to results with third world Russian or Chinese engines? And M-88 engine has better thrust to weight ratio than old F-110 engine, rusty AL-31 engine or non-reliable WS-10 engine, as a start?

Of course, neither thrust to weight ratio nor total thrust is the cornerstone and defining feature of a low bypass aero engine. And you probably know that it is much more difficult to develop smaller engines with higher thrust to weight ratios than larger engines with higher thrust to weight ratios.




Name ten areas of civilian and ten areas of military superiority enjoyed by the UK over France, for a start.

I can give you twenty examples for both civilian and military sectors that France dominates the UK, if you wish.



1. What secret classified information on Barracuda SSN do you have that others do not? And for Type 093 SSN?
Come back when you enjoy the same success in weapons exports market as France has done over decades.
The last I checked, even your dearest ally Pakistan uses French submarines currently, not some Chinese submarines. Any other customers for your Chinese submarines?

France just recently won in the Australian tender.

And just supplied Egypt with its 4,5 gen Rafale omnirole fighter, FREMM frigate to Morocco and Egypt, Mistral helicopter carrier to Egypt that was destined for your P5 'superior technology' member Russia that is now eating mud and permafrost out of desperation from Western sanctions.

Your beloved Russia goes with a begging bowl to France for its Sukhoi Superjet's engine and thousands of other things.


2. What core technology is it? French M-88 and upgrades are decisively superior than all the listed old rust buckets and secretive most probably non-performing Chinese WS-10 engines.

That explains why French fighter jets operate around the world's continents including Republic of China and recently Egypt, as well as Pakistan, UAE, Greece, and more, whereas, Chinese 4th gen fighter jets are sold nowhere.

Not even to North Korea.

J-10 has found a customer yet?

3. It is only Russian and Chinese SLBMs that have always failed.

The UK has no SLBM of its own. It uses American Trident-II SLBMs.

Only the USA has a superior system in the underwater launched ballistic missile system.

http://missilethreat.com/legacy-of-failure-is-hard-to-shake/



Good read.

An encyclopaedia of SLBM failures from two third world countries.



It is the other way around.

Russian Sukhoi Superjet needs French guidance and aid.

That's why they come with begging bowls for their Sukhoi Superjet engines to Europe's doors, pleading in earnest as it were.

Know about the SaM146 engine?

why do you debate with them?

I explained them how the contracts work. They are too stupid to understand that Airbus doesnt sell engines or bus engines but its a seperate contract between airline and engine producer. They dont get it.

You french, we italians and germany will go through that and i´m sure we will be fine.

 

[pts_m_h_2016]

Stop talking about BD here.

We are wanting to know how the EU can threaten UK, as it relies on UK jet engines to power Airbus planes and also has a trade deficit with the UK?

First question uses false assumption.

There are plentiful options for the EU even if the UK were to be abandoned.

Second question, EU has bigger and better of everything to think of.

The EU enjoys greater leverage over tiny UK that hardly has any significance in the world on its own except for legacy of its colonial days in your historically colonized countries.

At start, you will feel the pinch when your Eurotunnel comes to a halt, London's role in the global economy is snatched away, no luxury goods (examples: supercars, like French Bugatti, Italian Lamborghini and Ferrari, or Swedish Koennigsegg) or fine cuisine or haute couture can make its way to the UK.

Pound will falter in value, capital flight from UK exchanges would take place. Investor confidence would plummet. UK's role as a global financial centre would be reduced. The pound would lose its attraction more than now as a currency of choice, and it was never in competition with the Euro any case.

No civilian airlines except Boeing for you?
The London Underground would have little in the way of choice.
Maybe your air defence destroyers would be left without any 'eyes and ears'?
Or your civilian nuclear energy industry left with zero if EDF of France withdraws? Since EDF controls 100% of all British nuclear reactors?

And so on.

why do you debate with them?

I explained them how the contracts work. They are too stupid to understand that Airbus doesnt sell engines or bus engines but its a seperate contract between airline and engine producer. They dont get it.

You french, we italians and germany will go through that and i´m sure we will be fine.

Some of the information and ideas being peddled about British superiority in engine technology and all other forms of technology by third worlders had to be debunked. Don't you think so?

 

[MarkusS]

First question uses false assumption.

There are plentiful options for the EU even if the UK were to be abandoned.

Second question, EU has bigger and better of everything to think of.

The EU enjoys greater leverage over tiny UK that hardly has any significance in the world on its own except for legacy of its colonial days in your historically colonized countries.

At start, you will feel the pinch when your Eurotunnel comes to a halt, London's role in the global economy is snatched away, no luxury goods (examples: supercars, like French Bugatti, Italian Lamborghini and Ferrari, or Swedish Koennigsegg) or fine cuisine or haute couture can make its way to the UK.

Pound will falter in value, capital flight from UK exchanges would take place. Investor confidence would plummet. UK's role as a global financial centre would be reduced. The pound would lose its attraction more than now as a currency of choice, and it was never in competition with the Euro any case.

No civilian airlines except Boeing for you?
The London Underground would have little in the way of choice.
Maybe your air defence destroyers would be left without any 'eyes and ears'?
Or your civilian nuclear energy industry left with zero if EDF of France withdraws? Since EDF controls 100% of all British nuclear reactors?

And so on.




Some of the information and ideas being peddled about British superiority in engine technology and all other forms of technology by third worlders had to be debunked. Don't you think so?

No, its like talking about quantum physics with a bushmen from the kalahari desert.

Just mock them and make fun about them. Its far more funny. I usually mock them about no running water in the bamboo hut.

 

[UKBengali]

First question uses false assumption.

There are plentiful options for the EU even if the UK were to be abandoned.

Second question, EU has bigger and better of everything to think of.

The EU enjoys greater leverage over tiny UK that hardly has any significance in the world on its own except for legacy of its colonial days in your historically colonized countries.

At start, you will feel the pinch when your Eurotunnel comes to a halt, London's role in the global economy is snatched away, no luxury goods (examples: supercars, like French Bugatti, Italian Lamborghini and Ferrari, or Swedish Koennigsegg) or fine cuisine or haute couture can make its way to the UK.

Pound will falter in value, capital flight from UK exchanges would take place. Investor confidence would plummet. UK's role as a global financial centre would be reduced. The pound would lose its attraction more than now as a currency of choice, and it was never in competition with the Euro any case.

No civilian airlines except Boeing for you?
The London Underground would have little in the way of choice.
Maybe your air defence destroyers would be left without any 'eyes and ears'?
Or your civilian nuclear energy industry left with zero if EDF of France withdraws? Since EDF controls 100% of all British nuclear reactors?

And so on.

Nice to see how butt-hurt you are with the comment about "third-worlders"

China is WAY,WAY,WAY more influential than France and the gap will only grow as the Chinese become a superpower sometime next decade. In the 2020s, the world will see the return of two superpowers since the fall of the Soviet Union back in 1991. I am sure that Chinese would be highly offended to find that France thinks it can compare itself in anyway to China.

As for your other comments lol. Germany runs EU and you French with your poor economy are German poodles now. When Merkel says jump, Hollande says "how high?". Already BMW has said that EU and UK should have a tariff-free zone and that is what Germany will impose on the rest of the EU states - don't think your president will dare try to defy Germany, let alone the even more economically desperate Italians.

Remember at the end of the day, it is the UK that holds the cards here and not the EU(i.e. Germany). EU sells more to UK than the other way round - first 3 months of this year the EU had a 30 billion Euro trade surplus with UK.

@MarkusS
@ChineseTiger1986

PS: CFM56 engine.



This is a GE engine with the French being given the work on the less hi-tech parts of the engine. The core of the engine was developed from the US F101 and that technology was not allowed by the US government to be transferred to France.

 

[pts_m_h_2016]

No, its like talking about quantum physics with a bushmen from the kalahari desert.

Just mock them and make fun about them. Its far more funny. I usually mock them about no running water in the bamboo hut.

Now, after seeing the third world meaningless tantrums, I agree with you fully on this matter.

No use wasting time on idiots.

When French productivity easily surpasses the Brits', he is deluded thinking that France would be like his country and a colonial outpost of some other country.

https://fullfact.org/europe/factcheck-are-british-workers-less-productive-germans-and-french/
http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/fr...economy/article/the-french-fourth-in-europe-s
http://www.pordata.pt/en/Europe/Labour+productivity+per+hour+(PPS)-2485

The French rank fourth in Europe in terms of hourly productivity, according to a study by the EU’s statistical office (Eurostat). This puts France ahead of the United Kingdom (10th) and Germany (12th) and behind Luxembourg, Ireland and Belgium.

There is just no meaning talking with third worlders whose intelligence has evolved to the level of bushmen or maybe, pigeons.

 

[MarkusS]

Nice to see how butt-hurt you are with the comment about "third-worlders"

China is WAY,WAY,WAY more influential than France and the gap will only grow as the Chinese become a superpower sometime next decade. In the 2020s, the world will see the return of two superpowers since the fall of the Soviet Union back in 1991. I am sure that Chinese would be highly offended to find that France thinks it can compare itself in anyway to China.

As for your other comments lol. Germany runs EU and you French with your poor economy are German poodles now. When Merkel says jump, Hollande says "how high?". Already BMW has said that EU and UK should have a tariff-free zone and that is what Germany will impose on the rest of the EU states - don't think your president will dare try to defy Germany, let alone the even more economically desperate Italians.

Remember at the end of the day, it is the UK that holds the cards here and not the EU(i.e. Germany). EU sells more to UK than the other way round - first 3 months of this year the EU had a 30 billion Euro trade surplus with UK.

@MarkusS
@ChineseTiger1986

PS: CFM56 engine.



This is a GE engine with the French being given the work on the less hi-tech parts of the engine. The core of the engine was developed from the US F101 and that technology was not allowed by the US government to be transferred to France.

Dude who gives a shit?

Many hundred million chinese live in slums in absolute poverty. They cant buy anything from Chinas "super power status. Al I dont want be a superpower. I want italy as whealthy country with nice living standards and peace.

P.s.: I did read bamboo dies off evry 50 years or so when all bamboo starts flowering and then dies. How do you guys build huts then? I mean there is a perioid of time where all old bamboo is gone and you have to wait until the new one starts growing.

 

[livingdead]

Dude who gives a shit?

Many hundred million chinese live in slums in absolute poverty. They cant buy anything from Chinas "super power status. Al I dont want be a superpower. I want italy as whealthy country with nice living standards and peace.

P.s.: I did read bamboo dies off evry 50 years or so when all bamboo starts flowering and then dies. How do you guys build huts then? I mean there is a perioid of time where all old bamboo is gone and you have to wait until the new one starts growing.

china is a big country and has enough rich people to buy british products... for example the top two countries to import british cars are USA and china.. we are talking about trade with china not free movement of people, so it does not matter what percent of chinese are poor or rich as long as they have big enough market.

 

[MarkusS]

china is a big country and has enough rich people to buy british products... for example the top two countries to import british cars are USA and china.. we are talking about trade with china not free movement of people, so it does not matter what percent of chinese are poor or rich as long as they have big enough market.

totally fine with this. The more super rich people china has, the better for italy and europe. They like their Ferrari and expensive luxury goods. Stuff we make

 

[livingdead]

totally fine with this. The more super rich people china has, the better for italy and europe. They like their Ferrari and expensive luxury goods. Stuff we make

sure, its not zero sum game... everybody benefits from trade.

 

[UKBengali]

Dude who gives a shit?

Many hundred million chinese live in slums in absolute poverty. They cant buy anything from Chinas "super power status. Al I dont want be a superpower. I want italy as whealthy country with nice living standards and peace.

P.s.: I did read bamboo dies off evry 50 years or so when all bamboo starts flowering and then dies. How do you guys build huts then? I mean there is a perioid of time where all old bamboo is gone and you have to wait until the new one starts growing.

You do since you wanted to teach the Russians a "lesson" before remember?

With the UK gone, you lose 13 billion Euro a year of funding for your pet EU projects and all those unemployed EU citizens cannot come to UK to get jobs anymore.

When Italy/France grow at 1% or less a year, China is still growing nearly 7% and so it's citizens incomes is still growing rapidly.

 

[MarkusS]

You do since you wanted to teach the Russians a "lesson" before remember?

With the UK gone, you lose 13 billion Euro a year of funding for your pet EU projects and all those unemployed EU citizens cannot come to UK to get jobs anymore.

When Italy/France grow at 1% or less a year, China is still growing nearly 7% and so it's citizens incomes is still growing rapidly.

all cool. Now back to topic.

What do you do when all bamboo flowers and dies off at same time? That means you cant build new hutts then so its hard, right?

 

[UKBengali]

all cool. Now back to topic.

What do you do when all bamboo flowers and dies off at same time? That means you cant build new hutts then so its hard, right?

I suggest you make plans with your French friends to see if there is anyway you can stop the Germans from totally dominating you in the EU now that UK has left.