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This was how they got the figures of One million Uyghurs Incarceration in China?

Just like how they keep inflating how many died as a result of Mao's failed policies during the Great Leap Forward. When I was a teenager, it was 20 million. When I was in university, it increased to 30 million. When I started working, it ballooned to 50 million. Now I'm hearing 80 million and that Mao murdered them by design.

Look, I don't like Mao and I don't like CCP in general. When you resort to using exaggerations and fabrications to highlight your cause, you're no longer reaching for the truth but rather spreading your own propaganda. It's the same shit with this Uyghur "concentration camp" narrative.

Let's not bullshit ourselves or beat around the bush. These aren't institutions Uyghurs would normally volunteer for. They're either forced or pressured to go. The education they receive inside is a mixture of CCP propaganda and actual language/job skills. This is just another reiteration of China's former reform through labor program (劳改). They're neither truly concentration camps or vocational schools, but somewhere in between.

Am I bothered by it? Slightly, because of the arbitrary nature of these "schools" and potential for abuses. Do I think it is a necessary evil? Absolutely. Xinjiang was rocked by weekly jihadist violence before 2015 and the introduction of these institutions. Hundreds were killed on a yearly basis. It was the most dangerous region in China, and Uyghurs had a bad reputation as criminals and thieves. No employer outside of Xinjiang would hire them, as they lack language and job skills for China's competitive labor market.

Fast forward to now, Xinjiang is the safest region in China. There hasn't been a single separatist attack in 5 years across the entirety of China. Uyghurs are starting to integrate into the mainstream Chinese society thanks to mandarin education. Yes, it's a tough pill to swallow, but it cures the disease.
The single funniest thing is that the western media can have "reliable sources" telling them Xinjiang genocide, 3 million people incarceration, organ harvesting, China sending officials to sleep with Uighur women, but.... they can't come up with just one name from those "reliable sources" who died from this genocide, not even one name.

LOL, so much for those "reliable sources...."
 
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Genocide? Tell me one person, just one name, who died from this "genocide", just one name is enough, you don't see a genocide which has zero death.
China's genocide against Tibetans and Uyghurs resulted in triple their original population numbers since 1949. Whoever is in charge of the "genocide" is the greatest failure in human history.

1953 Census - 2.7 million Tibetans
2019 Census - 6.3 million Tibetans

1953 Census - 3.6 million Uyghurs
2017 Census - 12 million Ugyhurs
 
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Genocide? Tell me one person, just one name, who died from this "genocide", just one name is enough, you don't see a genocide which has zero death.
You want a list of the people died from the camp (mysterious circumstances/suicide) or just from the general policies?

If so I can name of 1 guy named Mohaned Son of Tursun who got killed. There's one. If you want more I have to keep digging but I'm way too lazy for that.

It's a genocide alright:

ZENZ: I have long argued that the atrocity in the region is a cultural genocide, not a literal genocide. I do continue to believe that, generally speaking, the Chinese government does not intend to physically eradicate the Uighurs and Kazakhs, just to integrate, subjugate, dominate and assimilate them. However, this is coupled with a policy of ethnoracial domination, as the government has brought millions of Han Chinese settler in the regions with promises of high salaries, jobs and free housing.

The reason why now this has changed - we do need to probably call it a genocide - is quite simply because the evidence now, for the first time, very specifically meets one of the five criteria set forth by the United Nations Convention for the Punishment and Prevention of the Crime of Genocide from 1948, which specifically says the suppression of birth.



When you're arguing for the semantics of genocide you already lost the argument.
 
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You want a list of the people died from the camp (mysterious circumstances/suicide) or just from the general policies?

If so I can name of 1 guy named Mohaned Son of Tursun who got killed. There's one. If you want more I have to keep digging but I'm way too lazy for that.
Who is this guy, your cousin? Any reliable source about the cause of this guy's death if this person existed at all?

"Cultural genocide" is the lamest idea ever invented by the western media, how come Americas and Australia became European cultures when no Europeans were there 300 hundred years ago?
 
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In a recent CNN interview, a woman named Mihrigul Tursun claimed one of her three children was killed by the Chinese government. She said she was separated from her triplets at the Urumqi airport in northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region and held in custody in 2015. Mihrigul said she was told after her release that her son died following an operation.
But according to a CGTN investigation, what Mihrigul Tursun said about her child's death is a lie.
Doctor Li Xuexiong, who has worked at Urumqi Children's Hospital for 30 years, is the director of the hospital's medical department.
He said records show Moez, one of Mihrigul's sons, received treatment at the hospital, between January and November of 2016. Twice for pneumonia and once for a hernia.
"Moez's respiration system was infected, so we decided not to give him surgery. After we cured him, Mihrigul's mother took Moez out of the hospital on November 8, 2016," said Doctor Li.
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Medical records show Mihrigul Tursun's son Moez received treatment at Urumqi Children's Hospital in northwest China in 2016./ CGTN Photo

Meanwhile, according to exit and entry records, all of Mihrigul's children, Mohaned, Elina and Moez left China after 2016.
"Mihrigul and one of her sons left China in January 2016. Her other son and daughter left China in April 2018 and they did not re-enter the country," said Wang Chunhua, the captain of Exit and Entry Management of the Public Security Bureau of Xinjiang's Qiemo County.
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Exit and entry record shows Moez was taken out of China in April 2018./ CGTN Photo

About 1,000 kilometers away from Urumqi, Qiemo County is where Mihrigul's parents and brother live.
Mihrigul's mother, Mailikanmu Aimaiti took out a photo of her grandson Moez. She said Mihrigul brought the photo to her in July 2016. "Her son is in Egypt now, being raised by my son-in-law's sister."
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Mihrigul Tursun's mother says her grandson is alive, being raised by her son-in-law's sister./ CGTN Photo

With evidence proving that all of Mihrigul's three children are alive, the questions are: Why did Mihrigul lie to CNN? And how did she end up telling these lies at a U.S. congressional hearing?
Last November, Mihrigul Tursun testified before the U.S. congressional commission and claimed that she buried her four-month-old baby and her two other children had developed health complications.
Her brother, Aikebaier Tursun, showed CGTN Mihrigul's last WeChat message to the family, which was sent on November 11, 2018. In the message, she wrote she did not join any terrorist group or betray China, and claimed someone was threatening her.
"Now I can't come back to China, nor can I stay in America," reads the message.
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Mihrigul's last WeChat message to her family in 2018, saying she was threatened in the U.S./ CGTN Photo

Mihrigul not only fabricated the story about her child's death, but also made false accusations against China's education and training centers in Xinjiang. She claimed she was jailed and tortured in the facility, and she saw fellow prisoners die in detention.
But again, that turns out to be far from truth, as her brother told CGTN that she had never been to a education and training center. "She made that up. It was a lie."
According to Hua Chunying, the spokesperson of China's foreign ministry, Mihrigul was detained by Qiemo county in 2017 for inciting hatred and discrimination among ethnic minority groups. She was detained for 20 days, and was released after she was found infected with contagious diseases.
Hua said Mihrigul was never arrested in Urumqi and never went to jail, nor has she been sent to any vocational training and education centers.
Both Mihrigul's brother and mother said they are deeply worried about her situation in the United States.
China's Foreign Ministry said it has received numerous requests from international media on individual cases like Mihrigul's. Each time, the ministry contacted authorities in Xinjiang to verify relevant information.
“We hope our efforts can help them know and report the current situation in Xinjiang in a more objective and just manner. These reports on individual cases were proven to be false time and time again,” says Hua.
In February 2019, Turkey's foreign ministry claimed that a Uygur poet and musician named Abdurehim Heyit died while imprisoned in Xinjiang. However, the state-owned China Radio International's Turkish edition soon released a video of Heyit, dated February 10, 2019, proving he is alive and in good health.
Hua urged international media to uphold their reputation and to stop spreading fake news.
China has been actively working on countering terrorism and extremism. Hua said people in Xinjiang now have a stronger sense of security, happiness and fulfillment.
Lies by people like Mihrigul don't appear to be changing that fact.

Adrian Zenz, a far-right fundamentalist Christian who opposes homosexuality and gender equality, supports “scriptural spanking” of children, and believes he is “led by God” on a “mission” against China.
 
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we do need to probably call it a genocide - is quite simply because the evidence now, for the first time, very specifically meets one of the five criteria set forth by the United Nations Convention for the Punishment and Prevention of the Crime of Genocide from 1948, which specifically says the suppression of birth..
Are you suggesting that China had been genociding Han Chinese population for over 30 years? As a Han myself, I don't really need your concern.
 
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Who is this guy, your cousin? Any reliable source about the cause of this guy's death if this person existed at all?

"Cultural genocide" is the lamest idea ever invented by the western media, how come Americas and Australia became European cultures when no Europeans were there 300 hundred years ago?
Not the point.

The point is that china oppress the Uighur. Which it does btw.

So far the only sources backing china up are from its own.
 
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Not the point.

The point is that china oppress the Uighur. Which it does btw.

So far the only sources backing china up are from its own.
Many countries, most Muslim countrie back China, the only ountries which are against China over this issue are a dozen of western countries plus Japan.
 
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In a recent CNN interview, a woman named Mihrigul Tursun claimed one of her three children was killed by the Chinese government. She said she was separated from her triplets at the Urumqi airport in northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region and held in custody in 2015. Mihrigul said she was told after her release that her son died following an operation.
But according to a CGTN investigation, what Mihrigul Tursun said about her child's death is a lie.
Doctor Li Xuexiong, who has worked at Urumqi Children's Hospital for 30 years, is the director of the hospital's medical department.
He said records show Moez, one of Mihrigul's sons, received treatment at the hospital, between January and November of 2016. Twice for pneumonia and once for a hernia.
"Moez's respiration system was infected, so we decided not to give him surgery. After we cured him, Mihrigul's mother took Moez out of the hospital on November 8, 2016," said Doctor Li.
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Medical records show Mihrigul Tursun's son Moez received treatment at Urumqi Children's Hospital in northwest China in 2016./ CGTN Photo

Meanwhile, according to exit and entry records, all of Mihrigul's children, Mohaned, Elina and Moez left China after 2016.
"Mihrigul and one of her sons left China in January 2016. Her other son and daughter left China in April 2018 and they did not re-enter the country," said Wang Chunhua, the captain of Exit and Entry Management of the Public Security Bureau of Xinjiang's Qiemo County.
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Exit and entry record shows Moez was taken out of China in April 2018./ CGTN Photo

About 1,000 kilometers away from Urumqi, Qiemo County is where Mihrigul's parents and brother live.
Mihrigul's mother, Mailikanmu Aimaiti took out a photo of her grandson Moez. She said Mihrigul brought the photo to her in July 2016. "Her son is in Egypt now, being raised by my son-in-law's sister."
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Mihrigul Tursun's mother says her grandson is alive, being raised by her son-in-law's sister./ CGTN Photo

With evidence proving that all of Mihrigul's three children are alive, the questions are: Why did Mihrigul lie to CNN? And how did she end up telling these lies at a U.S. congressional hearing?
Last November, Mihrigul Tursun testified before the U.S. congressional commission and claimed that she buried her four-month-old baby and her two other children had developed health complications.
Her brother, Aikebaier Tursun, showed CGTN Mihrigul's last WeChat message to the family, which was sent on November 11, 2018. In the message, she wrote she did not join any terrorist group or betray China, and claimed someone was threatening her.
"Now I can't come back to China, nor can I stay in America," reads the message.
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Mihrigul's last WeChat message to her family in 2018, saying she was threatened in the U.S./ CGTN Photo

Mihrigul not only fabricated the story about her child's death, but also made false accusations against China's education and training centers in Xinjiang. She claimed she was jailed and tortured in the facility, and she saw fellow prisoners die in detention.
But again, that turns out to be far from truth, as her brother told CGTN that she had never been to a education and training center. "She made that up. It was a lie."
According to Hua Chunying, the spokesperson of China's foreign ministry, Mihrigul was detained by Qiemo county in 2017 for inciting hatred and discrimination among ethnic minority groups. She was detained for 20 days, and was released after she was found infected with contagious diseases.
Hua said Mihrigul was never arrested in Urumqi and never went to jail, nor has she been sent to any vocational training and education centers.
Both Mihrigul's brother and mother said they are deeply worried about her situation in the United States.
China's Foreign Ministry said it has received numerous requests from international media on individual cases like Mihrigul's. Each time, the ministry contacted authorities in Xinjiang to verify relevant information.
“We hope our efforts can help them know and report the current situation in Xinjiang in a more objective and just manner. These reports on individual cases were proven to be false time and time again,” says Hua.
In February 2019, Turkey's foreign ministry claimed that a Uygur poet and musician named Abdurehim Heyit died while imprisoned in Xinjiang. However, the state-owned China Radio International's Turkish edition soon released a video of Heyit, dated February 10, 2019, proving he is alive and in good health.
Hua urged international media to uphold their reputation and to stop spreading fake news.
China has been actively working on countering terrorism and extremism. Hua said people in Xinjiang now have a stronger sense of security, happiness and fulfillment.
Lies by people like Mihrigul don't appear to be changing that fact.

Adrian Zenz, a far-right fundamentalist Christian who opposes homosexuality and gender equality, supports “scriptural spanking” of children, and believes he is “led by God” on a “mission” against China.
Overall, we rate China Global Television Network (CGTN) news Questionable based on the promotion of pro-state propaganda and heavy censorship. (M. Huitsing 1/6/2018) Updated (6/29/2020)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/china-global-television-network-cgtn/?amp
 
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Many countries, most Muslim countrie back China, the only ountries which are against China over this issue are a dozen of western countries plus Japan.
They're not against china ownership of xinjiang they're against China's treatment of xinjiang's populations.
 
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I'm sorry what is the point of this line of argument?

That we should trust Chinese state run media or that we should trust news from third countries like Al-Jazeera or what have you?
Trust whatevre you like to trust, that's what you and I did. it's quite natural.
 
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