This Is What the Modi Sarkar Has Done to Indian Muslims

[xeuss]

The scheme was always clear to me no matter what you do you will be dealt with contempt. And for me Allah is enough as long as he is with me I don't need no one. Since no matter what I will get always hatred I stopped caring since my childhood and embraced my religion wholeheartedly, haters will hate no matter what but I care less . And that is why I despise liberals too cause they are too soft on religious identity and talk about diluting religious principles which is a strict no no for me.

However for liberals their situation is "Na Ghar Ka Na Ghat Ka" or like a bat neither an animal nor a bird. But I could care less as the road is for me to walk if someone with similar mindset comes then good otherwise have to walk alone.

Well said. I hope you spread your thoughts among those you know. We need more of you.

 

[Mad Scientist 2.0]

Between Nehruist plans to de-Islamize Muslims and RSS plans to paint Muslims as fanatics and traitors, Indian Muslims' voice is silenced in the middle.

You understood it right. No matter what Islam will be subject to vilification the difference is the method . Irony is many muslims support the first while despising the later while the end result is same. However second method is more blunt .

Well said. I hope you spread your thoughts among those you know. We need more of you.

They are not ready to accept it. They will close their eyes and think all will be well when power changes little did they know it won't change a thing.

 

[Mad Scientist 2.0]

You sound angry and bitter. It is understandable given the recent events, but life is too short for hatred. Have a chilled beer and rethink your priorities. There's always light at the end of a tunnel.

Though I am a big admirer of you I will disagree on this front. You and a few others are an exception rather than norm. I used to be angry but now a days calm and cool as a cucumber.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Well said. I hope you spread your thoughts among those you know. We need more of you.

You understood it right. No matter what Islam will be subject to vilification the difference is the method . Irony is many muslims support the first while despising the later while the end result is same. However second method is more blunt .


They are not ready to accept it. They will close their eyes and think all will be well when power changes little did they know it won't change a thing.

I see positive changes among Indian Muslims, the reality is dawning on all the Muslims of this region, particularly those who thought they can have peace with Hindu majoritarianism.

Once the stalwarts of Hindu Indian state have grown silent recently, from Indian Muslims to BD and minority of Kashmiris who were anti-Pakistan.

In light of Dilli attacks, even Pakistani aman ki asha N leaguers and MQM exclusivity mentality has taken a big hit.

If you read from the thoughts and speeches of Muslim League leaders during the 1930s-1940s, you will realize that our leaders had properly diagnosed the Hindu mindset back then.

Quaid e Azam very aptly declared, "The Hindu is incorrigible (na qabil e islah.)"

It is unfortunate that we couldn't get another territory or two for Indian Muslims as Ch. Rehmat Ali desired. That would have solved my problems.

Though I am a big admirer of you I will disagree on this front. You and a few others are an exception rather than norm. I used to be angry but now a days calm and cool as a cucumber.

Careful with this one. He genuinely asked me to become less religious and stop talking about Afghanistan.

I don't know why the Hindu mentality makes them believe that they can change the thoughts and beliefs of Muslims just by telling them to, that too Pakistanis.

 

[Mad Scientist 2.0]

I see positive changes among Indian Muslims, the reality is dawning on all the Muslims of this region, particularly those who thought they can have peace with Hindu majoritarianism.

Once the stalwarts of Hindu Indian state have grown silent recently, from Indian Muslims to BD and minority of Kashmiris who were anti-Pakistan.

In light of Dilli attacks, even Pakistani aman ki asha N leaguers and MQM exclusivity mentality has taken a big hit.

If you read from the thoughts and speeches of Muslim League leaders during the 1930s-1940s, you will realize that our leaders had properly diagnosed the Hindu mindset back then.

Quaid e Azam very aptly declared, "The Hindu is incorrigible (na qabil e islah.)"

It is unfortunate that we couldn't get another territory or two for Indian Muslims as Ch. Rehmat Ali desired. That would have solved my problems.

Careful with this one. He genuinely asked me to become less religious and stop talking about Afghanistan.

I don't know why the Hindu mentality makes them believe that they can change the thoughts and beliefs of Muslims just by telling them to, that too Pakistanis.

He is a bit better than many people and a few exceptions who have genuine sympathy though on religious fonts opinions will differ certainly as he is a declared atheist while we are theist .

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

He is a bit better than many people and a few exceptions who have genuine sympathy though on religious fonts opinions will differ certainly as he is a declared atheist while we are theist .

Well, before one aspires to speak up for Muslims, shouldn't they ask what is it that Muslims want?

Most Indian Muslims are conservative Muslims who deeply value their faith.

I was explaining to these types before, if Pakistanis want to have relationships with Afghans, Turks, and Arabs, it is no business of Indian Hindus.

Just because they claim to not hate us as much as the Sanghis, it does give them any right to control us.

We Muslims must decide what is right for us ourselves, without any pressure from others.

 

[Mad Scientist 2.0]

Well, before one aspires to speak up for Muslims, shouldn't they ask what is it that Muslims want?

Most Indian Muslims are conservative Muslims who deeply value their faith.

I was explaining to these types before, if Pakistanis want to have relationships with Afghans, Turks, and Arabs, it is no business of Indian Hindus.

Just because they claim to not hate us as much as the Sanghis, it does give them any right to control us.

We Muslims must decide what is right for us ourselves, without any pressure from others.

Though our opinions may vary on many fonts I have deep respect for both of you . Yes you are right in our individual capacity we must be left to deal with others not thinking about others.

This particular gentleman is a card-carrying Taliban supporter and I insist he misunderstood my statements that I told him to become less religious. I'm being quoted out of context. I had mistakenly thought that he would be a friend as we conversed in Punjabi for a while, etc. But he (and his types) have gone so far in a very different direction that it's irreconcilable with them.

Now you're a confused youth (we all were, once) but you surely don't want to join the ranks of these Talibani nutcases. But you're not a baby, nobody will hold your hands. Just do what is good for you.

For any advice, I'm always there for you.

Peace.

Just as I said I have huge respect for both of you. We may have difference in opinions but except hatred and hurting of others all opinions matters and I am all ears to it. And in my limited interaction I have not seen espousing hatred from either of you two.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

This particular gentleman is a card-carrying Taliban supporter and I insist he misunderstood my statements that I told him to become less religious. I'm being quoted out of context. I had mistakenly thought that he would be a friend as we conversed in Punjabi for a while, etc. But he (and his types) have gone so far in a very different direction that it's irreconcilable with them.

Now you're a confused youth (we all were, once) but you surely don't want to join the ranks of these Talibani nutcases. But you're not a baby, nobody will hold your hands. Just do what is good for you.

For any advice, I'm always there for you.

Peace.

Almost every Pakistani is a Afghan Taliban supporter. Keep your labels away from this topic. You are not directly affected by Afghan situation, we are. Why should we chastise our Pukhtoon brothers who are exactly like us in every way?

Notice the other abuser of Pukhtoons is now banned, who you tried to paint as normative for Pakistanis, he isn't even a Muslim.

No misunderstanding here, you were quite clear. I hope your friendship with Joe and the Nilgiri are going well.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Almost every Pakistani is a Afghan Taliban supporter. Keep your labels away from this topic. You are not directly affected by Afghan situation, we are. Why should we chastise our Pukhtoon brothers who are exactly like us in every way?

Notice the other abuser of Pukhtoons is now banned, who you tried to paint as normative for Pakistanis, he isn't even a Muslim.

No misunderstanding here, you were quite clear. I hope your friendship with Joe and the Nilgiri are going well.

I speak for myself, and myself alone.

Keep your insinuations to yourself.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Though our opinions may vary on many fonts I have deep respect for both of you . Yes you are right in our individual capacity we must be left to deal with others not thinking about others.


Just as I said I have huge respect for both of you. We may have difference in opinions but except hatred and hurting of others all opinions matters and I am all ears to it. And in my limited interaction I have not seen espousing hatred from either of you two.

Thanks brother. I honestly have not had any interactions with you. This is the first time time I think.

I am glad that finally Pakistanis and Indian Muslims seem to be on the same page. I hope this friendship continues and deepens, because honestly I have been burned by many Indian Muslims before, due to misplaced anger of blaming their issues with Indian government on Pakistan.

More commonality and positive people to people relations are needed to form a unified front against Indian majoritarianism.

We may have different origins and different race, but it doesn't mean we have to be enemies.

Even BDis are beginning to see the necessity of relations with Pakistan.

 

[Shantanu_Left]

Almost every Pakistani is a Afghan Taliban supporter. Keep your labels away from this topic. You are not directly affected by Afghan situation, we are. Why should we chastise our Pukhtoon brothers who are exactly like us in every way?

Notice the other abuser of Pukhtoons is now banned, who you tried to paint as normative for Pakistanis, he isn't even a Muslim.

No misunderstanding here, you were quite clear. I hope your friendship with Joe and the Nilgiri are going well.

Hello, Mad Scientist is an Indian. If I'm advising him to stay away from the Talibanis, I'm not being unreasonable. Secondly, I never said anything against Pukhtoons. I had only shared my personal experiences with Afghans with you and a few others in a personal friendly capacity, which you're using to paint me in a negative light. That won't work. I don't participate in Afghan-related threads here as I don't care much about them.

Thirdly, Clifftonite was pretty good to not only me but many other Indian posters here (ask anyone). I don't know why he got banned but none of us responsible for that.

It appears Mad Scientist is a good kid although a bit misguided. If I can prevent him from hanging out with your types, I should do that. It will not be nice if you take advantage of his confused state of mind, and his lack of experience with life. To radicalize and poison him, perhaps. I don't know why can't you leave this kid alone!

But at the end of the day, he's not a baby, and I'm not here to babysit for anyone.

I'm not going to debate with you who is a Muslim, and who is not.

 

[PradoTLC]

That guys is not some uneducated man either, he is a doctor and has a large beard as well. His sons are all hufaz, yet look at how their thinking is.

Now not all Indian Muslims think like this, but a significant amount do behave this way.

In university, I once met an Indian Muslim at a school bus stop, he was not too far from where I lived. He asked me where I was from, and when he learned I was Pakistani, he literally did not speak to me again. Another religious looking Muslim.needless to say, it made it awkward for him when our MSA was mainly Pakistani and Arab.

This is the experience many Pakistanis have with Indian Muslims.

Not to say Indian Hindus are any better. I have had worse experiences with them, but I don't expect anything from them.

I have had some positive experiences with some Indian Muslims too though, to be fair. However that has been rarer than bad experiences.

hear you bro... some times it gets ridiculous with them..

among my many clashes with them his happened a more than 8 years ago when I first went to purchase my car it as at a Honda dealer ship, it was Honda Accord year 2013 shape.. great car but shitty AC.

The sales man I approached surprise surprise turned out to be an Indian Muslim. Long story I tried stick the conversation to the car buying process I don’t know what his problem was but he wanted talk about Pakistan bashing. It made me sick.

I excused my self and went over to the next sales desk.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

If I'm advising him to stay away from the Talibanis, I'm not being unreasonable.

I am not a member of Afghan Taliban, so if you continue in this vein, then I will have no choice but to begin reporting you, right and left.

You cannot come on a Pakistani forum and begin labelling us this way.

hear you bro... some times it gets ridiculous with them..

among my many clashes with them his happened a more than 8 years ago when I first went to purchase my car it as at a Honda dealer ship, it was Honda Accord year 2013 shape.. great car but shitty AC.

The sales man I approached surprise surprise turned out to be an Indian Muslim. Long story I tried stick the conversation to the car buying process I don’t know what his problem was but he wanted talk about Pakistan bashing. It made me sick.

I excused my self and went over to the next sales desk.

Sounds about right. As seen from above, obsession of Pakistan is an Indian trait. Less in Muslims, but you still get those. In Hindus, it is pretty much universal.

 

[PradoTLC]

Thirdly, Clifftonite was pretty good to not only me but many other Indian posters here (ask anyone). I don't know why he got banned but none of us responsible for that

may becos he was indian?.. similar narrative?..

banned ?.. may some body complained he was a fake, and mod's investigation saw that?.. who knows...

 

[Joe Shearer]

Sounds about right. As seen from above, obsession of Pakistan is an Indian trait. Less in Muslims, but you still get those. In Hindus, it is pretty much universal.

Sounds about right if you are looking into a mirror. The only persons with obsessions here are a small coterie who start threads to discuss obsessions.

Get a life.