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This is not our war? Still?

By Kamran Shafi
Published: August 16, 2012

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The writer is a columnist, a former major of the Pakistan Army and served as press secretary to Benazir Bhutto kamran.shafi@tribune.com.pk


So then, our ‘assets’ have attacked the extremely high security installation, the Kamra Airbase and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex killing one soldier and damaging an aircraft or two. Whilst earlier reports said that one terrorist had been captured alive, we are now being told that all eight, some say nine, have been killed.

If I had anything to do with the investigations, I would certainly look into the matter of the death of the terrorist caught alive, because you see, just like Mehran, I suspect that this was an inside job too.

There is a report also that says all the attackers were foreigners while others say only one was. Be which as it may this only proves the point that there is a collection of terrorists from across the Muslim world congregated in Fata and comfortably embedded with said ‘assets’.

Now then, after all of the attacks this country has suffered at the Taliban’s hands: Kamra; POFs; Sakesar; GHQ; Hamza Camp; ISI buses; Parade Lane; ISI HQs in Lahore and Faisalabad; Moon Market; Marriott; Lahore Cantonment; Mehran airbase; Lt Gen Mushtaq’s brutal murder in Rawalpindi; Peshawar Meena Bazaar and many others, this is still not our fight; not OUR war? Till when will we live in denial, friends, till when will we call these murdering brutes our ‘assets’?

Are things changing though? Is there a fresh breeze blowing? There might well be, considering General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani’s speech at the PMA, in Kakul. First, kudos to him for clearly stating that Pakistan needed to crush the terrorists without exception. And more for saying all of us are at fault for bringing the country to its present pass. He particularly named the armed forces, read army. He also said, to his credit, that no single institution had all the answers.

Whilst one would have hoped that he had also said that the major blame lay on the faulty strategic thinking of our army brass, e.g., strategic depth in Afghanistan and mollycoddling terrorists of all stripes in the hope that they would help this country face its perceived enemies, I would like to build upon what he did say.

Well, general, this is good and well as our regimental mate Brigadier Ashraf Afridi used to say, now let’s all of us put our shoulders to the wheel and try and get our country out of the morass it is in. For starters, please order the immediate closing down of the media cell in the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) — ISPR is more than equal to the task — and then open a civilised dialogue with lay Pakistanis on the way forward.

And please, please become less India-centric. I can assure you that if it dares to attack our country every Pakistani will stand by you.

And now for contempt. The majesty of the Supreme Court that comes to the fore every time a prime minister is ordered to appear before it is truly awe-inspiring. Indeed, the alacrity with which PMs have presented themselves (under notice of contempt) before the Court: Nawaz Sharif twice; Yousaf Raza Gilani thrice; Raja Pervaiz Ashraf (the Lord only how many times he will appear), convinces one like nothing else that the superior judiciary in our country is truly superior.

Indeed, this judiciary hanged an elected PM, committing judicial murder, no less. Indeed, whilst Nawaz Sharif escaped punishment while he was PM, he was given a life sentence after the Commando’s coup. And Yousaf Raza Gilani was kicked out of his elected office even though he was chief executive of the country. If this isn’t majesty and superiority all rolled into one, what is?

Which is why, it grates upon one’s sensibilities when uniformed servants of the state either refuse to appear at all, or if they condescend to (as in the one appearance of the DG Frontier Corps, Balochistan), appear in civvies. Perish the thought that any general will be summoned like ordinary PMs.

What brought the subject to mind was the re-appearance of the case of the Adiala Eleven, now reduced to Seven, four of them being tortured/starved to death and their bodies strewn hither and thither. If I recall, the last time we heard about these unfortunates was some months ago when the Mother of All Agencies was forced to produce them in the Supreme Court, and the Court handed them over to the K-P government for safe custody.

This is part of the latest report of the matter in a section of our press: “The Supreme Court sought the record from the intelligence agency’s counsel regarding the seven prisoners of Adiala Jail, allegedly abducted by the intelligence agencies. Appearing on notice, Raja Muhammad Irshad, counsel for the intelligence agencies, told the court that the seven prisoners had been arrested for attacking Hamza Camp of the ISI. He said the cases could not be lodged under the Army Act against former prisoners in the Adiala Jail due to the lack (sic) of evidence.

“The chief justice reminded the learned counsel that the report prepared by the Punjab chief secretary was with the court according to which 11 missing persons were picked up by intelligence agencies from outside the Adiala Jail.

“Raja Muhammad Irshad told the court that they had presented their written reply on the issue. The chief justice commented that it was a serious matter and had progressed beyond just statements.”

Now then, according to the lawyer of the ‘Agencies’, the ISI and the MI, there were only seven people who were ‘arrested’. He has conveniently forgotten that there is every evidence, including a report from the Punjab government (as stated by the CJ himself) that 11 prisoners were taken away by the ISI and the MI from Adiala Jail after they were released by the Lahore High Court, both agencies admitting that they had joint custody of them.

Is this not contempt of the worst kind, to lie before the court in the face of the court? Why does the Court not summon a general or two so that this cruel charade is ended?

I have to end with this link and request the Chief Justice to watch the clip himself from 4:04 to 4:20, just 16 seconds. In it Shiekh Rashid ‘Tulli’ is calling on the CJ to commit murder. Suo motu, any of you, My Lords?

Published in The Express Tribune, August 17th, 2012.


 
I agree with his overall point.

But why is he not blaming the government? Why have they not been serious about the law and order situation? Why don't they pass laws against hate crimes/speech? Why didn't they do anything when two of their party members were murdered? Why are they ignoring FATA? Why don't they bring the army under their control? Why don't they monitor Madrassas and Mosques?

We can't just blame the judiciary/army and then ignore government which has committed the crimes of being incompetent and indifferent when it comes to Pakistan.
 
But why is he not blaming the government? Why have they not been serious about the law and order situation?
He was one of B.Bhutto's advisers. As far as he's concerned, based on his experience, in Pakistan the generals call the shots; elected officials are subordinate to them as they can be removed, co-opted, or neutered at the generals' pleasure.

Why don't they bring the army under their control?
That would take courage.
 
Takers for 'this is not our war' are, my guess would be, dwindling in numbers. And yet even someone like me who knows the poison of the military interventions in Pakistan can see that senior most generals are being targeted since at least 2002 (the Karachi attack). Why is that so? It is not because they are in bed with the enemies, a few moles asides.
Mr. Kamran Shafi and others always critical of the govt, of the military, of the higher courts, and of the media in various permutations need to suggest concrete solutions.
What would they be? In my humble opinion: Mass mobilizations by all parties. Humane, large Concentration camps for suspected populations who refuse to leave FATA or areas of Karachi (yes, sad to suggest this). Rapid, rigorous, and fair trials (instead of harping about Zardari's $60 million for years) of militants. Reforms of curricula: May be issues of Blasphemy or Ahmadis are too hot for right now but much else could be done. Hunting down electricity thieves. ..

All these steps cannot be possible unless some kind of 'major consensus' is achieved, which should be the territorial integrity of Pakistan, the freedom of speech and association, speedy justice, reduction of crimes and hate speech... And all that is not possible unless a govt of national consensus is formed for next 10-15 years. When Benazir Bhutto was murdered I had suggested that a govt. of national consensus needs to be formed. Sadly, that didn't happen.
 
This is our war and guns now need to be turned to India. Jahil talibs have nothing to gain from P3C orions or SAAB-2000 Eriye. Its clear as day who is behind it and this is how it needs to be treated.
 
rehman malik idiot said they were foreigners, those terrorists, but then suddenly they seem to belong from north waziristan :eek:
 
Always skip the ruling party, innocent govt of PPP who have no role in running the government, all the shots are taken by army. okay then why they are in sitting in government and doing corruption, if its army that runs the country ?

had it been a government by rightest, the blame would have shifted from Zia to them abit in his articles, next elections may prove it...

P.S

and yes this is our war, since we messed up, now we need a better strategy to get out of it... and this should be done before the back stabbing americans get out of Afghanistan.
 
This is our war and guns now need to be turned to India. Jahil talibs have nothing to gain from P3C orions or SAAB-2000 Eriye. Its clear as day who is behind it and this is how it needs to be treated.

Sure; do keep at that Strategy and see how far that will take you.
I can certainly place my bets on the outcome. But you can certainly try your luck!
 
He was one of B.Bhutto's advisers. As far as he's concerned, based on his experience, in Pakistan the generals call the shots; elected officials are subordinate to them as they can be removed, co-opted, or neutered at the generals' pleasure.

That would take courage.

This PPP government is not exactly innocent either. They are far from being secular, they're feudal, they're corrupt, they give positions to people based on favoritism or feudalism not merit, and again are just incompetent.

If they're so much for democracy, then why are they sitting in government IF the army is running everything (as Leader pointed out).

They should just resign then. So much for being the "champions for democracy"

All these steps cannot be possible unless some kind of 'major consensus' is achieved,.

Problem is that there is no major consensus in Pakistan. Everyone is so fragmented and our biggest problem is that we never established a Pakistani identity.

Until people start thinking on the lines of: "What is right for Pakistan and not what is right for my particular group" we will never get anywhere.
 
He was one of B.Bhutto's advisers. As far as he's concerned, based on his experience, in Pakistan the generals call the shots; elected officials are subordinate to them as they can be removed, co-opted, or neutered at the generals' pleasure.

That would take courage.
This PPP government is not exactly innocent....If they're so much for democracy, then why are they sitting in government...They should just resign then. So much for being the "champions for democracy"
I wasn't talking about courage from the politicians, I was talking about courage from the electorate - and that means YOU!

After Taseer was assassinated, what did you and your friends do? Did you demonstrate in support of his family and democracy? Did you vow to use your bodies to get between bullets and your elected representatives? How many people REALLY cared, rather than, at most, mouthed a few words?

Why should the would-be Taseers of Pakistan even bother? You're going to have to show them. You're going to have to show that you're not in this for money or power but to build a better Pakistan. Only then will the army and politicians listen and only then will you have a chance to build a real democracy.
 
I can't believe how some people still want dialogue with them and that we should make compromises, and sympathize with them.
 
I can't believe how some people still want dialogue with them and that we should make compromises, and sympathize with them.

Yup, they may be doing India or Afghanistans dirty work but they are still our citizens for the most part that makes them traitors and we all know what happens to them.
 

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