This Indian Land Is Chinese Land

[navtrek]

AP is a part of Tibet.

India never has agreement with Tibet.

British Imperialists imposed some colonist clauses. India wants to be second-hand imperialist, which was rejected by China.

Frankly, if India can make people live equally, prosperously and happily, I personally don’t care if India rules some these areas. But your freaking system kills 2,000,000 your own children every year.

Please, your bloody heads off AP and NE!

prove your point first then we will see What we can do

 

[Honor]

Here u go my friend your Indian connection



http://www.defence.pk/forums/members-club/41263-india-mother-all-asians.html

The article should wrote it this way. Chinese and Indian share the same roots. Please do not put it in such a way that Indian ancestor is Indian. One decided to venture north and one decided to stay in India

Chinese had become fairer and more intelligent due to climate change and survival. Please do not mix us up with Indian.

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[oceanx]

Chinese had become fairer and more intelligent due to climate change and survival. Please do not mix us up with Indian.

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I have held back, but no more. If you meant the above as humour, then at least leave a wink or something for clue.

Anyhow, let's just say that the Cantonese I met here in Ontario are often a shade or two darker than the Chinese from the North, or from Shanghai for that matter. Are they less intelligent?

Say it, say it loud, and say it with honor.

In addition, what if the darker-complexioned Southern Indians are stereotypically held to be "better in math" by their own countrymen? How do you jibe with that?

I am not saying climate exerts no selective pressure on the evolution of human traits. But likely other factors are far more potent than ambient temperature and the hours of sunlight. There is a body of anthropological data that suggest when the "darker" variety of Caucasoid ancestors built "high" civilizations in the Mesopotamia and surrounding places, their pale cousins were likely living in complete ignominy on the Russian steppes ...

Why do you think the so called Germanics left not even a shred of written word until they were "Romanized"?

 

[redhat]

Chinese had become fairer and more intelligent due to climate change and survival. Please do not mix us up with Indian.

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Srinivasa Ramanujan ,the great mathematician was darker even by Indian standards.How many fairer chinese can be compared to him?.

 

[rajeev]

The article should wrote it this way. Chinese and Indian share the same roots. Please do not put it in such a way that Indian ancestor is Indian. One decided to venture north and one decided to stay in India

Chinese had become fairer and more intelligent due to climate change and survival. Please do not mix us up with Indian.

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I didnt realize you are a kid. How old are you? Or, did you just move from boot camp? haha

 

[mgmech]

China is overall less racially/ethnically divisive than India has been.
Far less in fact.

Your lack of knowledge, and consequently a penchant for mixing up religion with ethnicity rears its head again and again.

wrong and false..
the below shows clearly that ppl other than han chinese are treated as lower grade people and treated racially...

Tibet:
till date no proper survey has been conducted inTibet regarding the population of Tibet. China doesnt let the true information to come out.
The Tibetans are slowly being replaced by the han chinese.

Xinxiang:
In 1949, Han Chinese accounted for just 5% of Xinjiang’s population. Today, they are up to 41%, soon to eclipse the native Uighur Muslims’ 45%. Urumqi, Xinjiang’s capital city dotted by skyscrapers, is dominated by the Han Chinese, who comprise over 75% of the 2.5 million population.

it shows even in the capital the city is completely dominated by han chinese...
the vast majority of Uighurs continue to live in poverty, and they reside in rural areas, far from the urban centers of prosperity.

In 2002, Xinjiang's top university eliminated all instruction in the Uighur language...it was not required at all... and which language was chosen over it is a big question...
So one day will come when there wil not be a single sign left in the Xinxiang province which can make u beleive that this place was once inhabited by so called Ugihars.. and all this in the name of atheism....

So clearly the idea in both places is to make the Tibetans and Uighars minority in their own areas and to migrate han chinese there in great numbers. Furthur the han chinese in those areas are more affluent and rich than the native people of those areas..... and have control over all the official machinery and levers of powers of those areas...

all this leads to show the abuse of the native people of those areas.

 

[gpit]

but why is there difference in treatment to different races.

Ask your officials in NE area when Mongoloid minorities are mistreated: why?

In Tibet, China invests big to take care of Tibetans. In NE of India, not even decent roads can reach them.

Why you treat different race differently? Because of your rampant rasism Racism in North India by Aparna Pallavi

And China is the only major country in the world where people don't have full freedom of religion. A person who declares himself as a Muslim can't even be a member of the CPC let alone head any ministries or important post in China.

So why this difference....?? this shows clearly that ppl other than han chinese are treated as 4th grade.

This is perhaps precisely the best part of China. A secular government oversees rules that equally regulate different religious practices.

If a head of state were Buddhism, by his heart and belief, he would be pro-Buddhism. If the head were Muslim, he would prefer his religion. Listen carefully: China is a country that has multiple religions peacefully (more or less) coexisting for thousands of years. Unlike India, communal murders and killings are incredibly routine because of religious hatred and bias, as results of your ”full freedom”.

No, China shouldn’t be like India on religious matters. Never!

BTW, if you are not living in a cage, do you know what are China minority preferential policies?

Secondly Tibet's Independence is sought from China because china forcefully occupied an Independent country and indulged in wide scale killling and looting of the Tibetan people...and in destroying their monasteries culture and tradition....

Obviously, you are illiterate, or don’t care to get the fact.

Seventeen Point Agreement for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet:

· 1. The Tibetan people shall be united and drive out the imperialist aggressive forces from Tibet; that the Tibetan people shall return to the big family of the motherland - the People's Republic of China.
· 2. The Local Government of Tibet shall actively assist the People's Liberation Army to enter Tibet and consolidate the national defenses.
· 3. In accordance with the policy towards nationalities laid down in the Common Programme of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference, the Tibetan people have the right of exercising national regional autonomy under the unified leadership of the Central People's Government.
· 4. The Central Authorities will not alter the existing political system in Tibet. The Central Authorities also will not alter the established status, functions and powers of the Dalai Lama. Officials of various ranks shall hold office as usual.
· 5. The established status, functions, and powers of the Panchen Lama shall be maintained.
· 6. By the established status, functions and powers of the Dalai Lama and of the Panchen Lama is meant the status, functions and powers of the 13th Dalai Lama and of the 9th Panchen Lama when they were in friendly and amicable relations with each other.
· 7. The policy of freedom of religious belief laid down in the Common Programme of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference will be protected. The Central Authorities will not effect any change in the income of the monasteries.
· 8. The Tibetan troops will be reorganized step by step into the People's Liberation Army, and become a part of the national defense forces of the Central People's Government.
· 9. The spoken and written language and school education of the Tibetan nationality will be developed step by step in accordance with the actual conditions in Tibet.
· 10. Tibetan agriculture, livestock raising, industry and commerce will be developed step by step, and the people's livelihood shall be improved step by step in accordance with the actual conditions in Tibet.
· 11. In matters related to various reforms in Tibet, there will be no compulsion on the part of the Central Authorities. The Local Government of Tibet should carry out reforms of its own accord, and when the people raise demands for reform, they must be settled through consultation with the leading personnel of Tibet.
· 12. In so far as former pro-imperialist and pro-Kuomintang officials resolutely sever relations with imperialism and the Kuomintang and do not engage in sabotage or resistance, they may continue to hold office irrespective of their past.
· 13. The People's Liberation Army entering Tibet will abide by the above-mentioned policies and will also be fair in all buying and selling and will not arbitrarily take even a needle or a thread from the people.
· 14. The Central People's Government will handle all external affairs of the area of Tibet; and there will be peaceful co-existence with neighboring countries and the establishment and development of fair commercial and trading relations with them on the basis of equality, mutual benefit and mutual respect for territory and sovereignty.
· 15. In order to ensure the implementation of this agreement, the Central People's Government will set up a military and administrative committee and a military area headquarters in Tibet, and apart from the personnel sent there by the Central People's Government it will absorb as many local Tibetan personnel as possible to take part in the work. Local Tibetan personnel taking part in the military and administrative committee may include patriotic elements from the Local Government of Tibet, various district and various principal monasteries; the name list is to be prepared after consultation between the representatives designated by the Central People's Government and various quarters concerned, and is to be submitted to the Central People's Government for approval.
· 16. Funds needed by the military and administrative committee, the military area headquarters and the People's Liberation Army entering Tibet will be provided by the Central People's Government. The Local Government of Tibet should assist the People's Liberation Army in the purchases and transportation of food, fodder, and other daily necessities.
· 17. This agreement shall come into force immediately after signatures and seals are affixed to it.

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Signed and sealed by delegates of the Central People's Government with full powers:

Chief Delegate:

Li Wei-han (Chairman of the Commission of Nationalities Affairs);
Delegates:

Chang Ching-wu, Chang Kuo-hua, Sun Chih-yuan
Delegates with full powers of the Local Government of Tibet:

Chief Delegate: Ngapoi Ngawang Jigme
Delegates:

Dzasak Khemey Sonam Wangdi, Khentrung Thuptan, Tenthar, Khenchung Thuptan Lekmuun Rimshi, Samposey Tenzin Thondup



Seventeen Point Agreement for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[gpit]

what is the definition of Imperialist..??? be clear and give quote and link from the dictionary from where u pick that meaning.

First-hand imperialism is defined by British UK.

Second-hand imperialism is defined by India, as it wants to follow British Imperialst foot print.

 

[gpit]

prove your point first then we will see What we can do

A simple Wiki for those who live in a cage:

...The borderline was originally negotiated between the local Tibet government and Britain at the Simla Convention in March 1914. The border determined at that time is known as the McMahon Line.[6] China argues that Tibet was not sovereign, but was part of China. The conference was attended by representatives of government of Britain, China, and local government of Tibet.[7] However, China did not sign on the Simla Accord since representatives from Beijing disagreed with the terms listed. Therefore, China alleges that the Simla Accord and a separate treaty between Britain and Tibet is "illegal and invalid."[8] China further alleges the treaty was secretly amended one month later by British and Tibetan officials and the border line changed.[8]

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South Tibet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[gpit]

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all this leads to show the abuse of the native people of those areas.

Rightly said!

Human Rights and National Oppression in Northeast India
(Paper presented by representative of CGPI at the Human Rights Conference in Imphal, December 8-9, 1994)

The Indian state claims to be the world's largest democracy and hence, by definition, to be a state that guarantees human rights. A National Commission on Human Rights has been established to show the world that human rights are being monitored in India. On the other hand, the Indian state does not even recognize the collective rights of nations, nationalities and tribes that inhabit the territory of present-day India. ...

How can it be that the human rights of individual citizens are allegedly being monitored while the collective rights of the Nagas, Assamese, Meiteis, Mizos, Kukis, as well as the Kashmiris, Punjabis, Uttarakhandis and others, are all trampled in the mud? How can human rights go hand in hand with national oppression? On the contrary, suppression of national rights goes hand in hand with the violation of human rights.

The demand for human rights is the demand that every human being is treated in a human way. A human being does not exist in the abstract; the very act of being a human individual is at the same time an act of being a Naga, or a Kashmiri or a Punjabi or of some other nationality, as the case may be. Human identity cannot be nurtured and developed on the basis of negating one's national identity. This is one of the most glaring contradictions in the conception of democracy as enshrined in the Constitution of India. It is a fundamental flaw that needs to be addressed on an urgent basis.

...

In India, what are proclaimed in the Constitution as fundamental rights of individual citizens, are at the same time freely violated on a daily basis. Such violation is justified by the same Constitution, whenever the Central Cabinet chooses to declare any region as a "disturbed area" or a "terrorist infested" zone. Thus, it becomes constitutionally valid to violate human rights in Kashmir and in the Northeast, to violate the honour and dignity of human beings, to debase and degrade them with impunity. Such a definition of human rights is not acceptable to democratic public opinion in modern times.

Human rights, by definition, belong to every human being by dint of being human, and they are hence inviolable and inalienable. Nobody can give or take away human rights under any pretext. This is an essential characteristic and requirement of the modern definition of human rights. The bourgeois definition of human rights is not modern; it is a revival of the centuries old conception of civil rights, which the bourgeoisie championed in its struggle against feudal absolutism in Europe. According to this conception, a right is an agreement recorded on a document, it is something that can be given or taken away, signed or cancelled. It is not a matter of objective reality. Just like the high command of the Congress party distributes tickets to the cleverest scoundrels in each state, a right is reduced to a favour that is handed out or taken back according to the will of the high command. But such a definition of rights and a democracy based on such a conception is constantly plagued by the reality of human beings asserting their rights, individually and collectively.

The Nagas, for example, are one of the oldest peoples of this subcontinent, a brave people who have never stopped asserting their rights, either before or after 1947. The Indian state justified the armed suppression of the Naga people under the signboard of the unity and integrity of India. Today this treatment, along with the same justification, is extended to all the peoples of the Northeast, as well as in the Northwest, and increasingly in the South as well. It is time that this justification is put in its place.

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Human Rights and National Oppression in Northeast India

 

[Honor]

Rightly said!

Human Rights and National Oppression in Northeast India
(Paper presented by representative of CGPI at the Human Rights Conference in Imphal, December 8-9, 1994)

The Indian state claims to be the world's largest democracy and hence, by definition, to be a state that guarantees human rights. A National Commission on Human Rights has been established to show the world that human rights are being monitored in India. On the other hand, the Indian state does not even recognize the collective rights of nations, nationalities and tribes that inhabit the territory of present-day India. ...

How can it be that the human rights of individual citizens are allegedly being monitored while the collective rights of the Nagas, Assamese, Meiteis, Mizos, Kukis, as well as the Kashmiris, Punjabis, Uttarakhandis and others, are all trampled in the mud? How can human rights go hand in hand with national oppression? On the contrary, suppression of national rights goes hand in hand with the violation of human rights.

The demand for human rights is the demand that every human being is treated in a human way. A human being does not exist in the abstract; the very act of being a human individual is at the same time an act of being a Naga, or a Kashmiri or a Punjabi or of some other nationality, as the case may be. Human identity cannot be nurtured and developed on the basis of negating one's national identity. This is one of the most glaring contradictions in the conception of democracy as enshrined in the Constitution of India. It is a fundamental flaw that needs to be addressed on an urgent basis.

...

In India, what are proclaimed in the Constitution as fundamental rights of individual citizens, are at the same time freely violated on a daily basis. Such violation is justified by the same Constitution, whenever the Central Cabinet chooses to declare any region as a "disturbed area" or a "terrorist infested" zone. Thus, it becomes constitutionally valid to violate human rights in Kashmir and in the Northeast, to violate the honour and dignity of human beings, to debase and degrade them with impunity. Such a definition of human rights is not acceptable to democratic public opinion in modern times.

Human rights, by definition, belong to every human being by dint of being human, and they are hence inviolable and inalienable. Nobody can give or take away human rights under any pretext. This is an essential characteristic and requirement of the modern definition of human rights. The bourgeois definition of human rights is not modern; it is a revival of the centuries old conception of civil rights, which the bourgeoisie championed in its struggle against feudal absolutism in Europe. According to this conception, a right is an agreement recorded on a document, it is something that can be given or taken away, signed or cancelled. It is not a matter of objective reality. Just like the high command of the Congress party distributes tickets to the cleverest scoundrels in each state, a right is reduced to a favour that is handed out or taken back according to the will of the high command. But such a definition of rights and a democracy based on such a conception is constantly plagued by the reality of human beings asserting their rights, individually and collectively.

The Nagas, for example, are one of the oldest peoples of this subcontinent, a brave people who have never stopped asserting their rights, either before or after 1947. The Indian state justified the armed suppression of the Naga people under the signboard of the unity and integrity of India. Today this treatment, along with the same justification, is extended to all the peoples of the Northeast, as well as in the Northwest, and increasingly in the South as well. It is time that this justification is put in its place.

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Human Rights and National Oppression in Northeast India

You can see that there are many resistance factors in India seeking Independence. One day India will break into more than 30pieces.

 

[ssheppard]

You can see that there are many resistance factors in India seeking Independence. One day India will break into more than 30pieces.

Good morning....wake up.....

 

[grey boy 2]

Good morning....wake up.....

Good night...free to bed .....India= One of the most dangerous

country in the world.

Global Peace Index
Rankings

India Global Peace Index 2009 Overall peace index Rank122 Score2.422 Peace Index scores from 1 to 5 where 1 = most peaceful.
Ranked out of 144 countries where rank 1 = most peaceful country.


Vision of Humanity

 

[faithfulguy]

How come people on this thread like to post irrelevant negative things about the other country. Would this distract the purpose of a thread with a topic. We should create a thread that says "crap about ####"

 

[navtrek]

How come people on this thread like to post irrelevant negative things about the other country. Would this distract the purpose of a thread with a topic. We should create a thread that says "crap about ####"

Very true