this forum needs some serious revision

[r3alist]

I will not dare disagree to r3ealist totally. There might be something he has noticed which we haven't. And what he said is based on facts. But I don't think there should be a "Safe Zone" for Pakistani posters. Why should we be afraid of other people's comments. Let them say and propagate what they want to but the world knows what is right and what is correct.

Consider it a battle where you can't just run away but fight and face the opposition. Stay here, face them and answer them. If they propagate or portray bad image of Pakistan than their country isn't of a square mile realm.

However, the atmosphere should remain friendly, it is not an actual war indeed.

Soldiers be courageous for courage never dies


KIT Over n Out

look, please be serious, its not a battle and its not about kicking all the indians out.

how many times do i have to say its about having our own section to talk in peace.

you can still battle away on the sections which are open to everyone and now and again i would like the chance to talk in a forum where indians will not swamp threads with their propaganda, after all, its is a PAKISTAN defence forum.


i just wonder why the mods fail to realise this simple fact.

 

[gubbi]

i agree with you on the whole, however my point is that there needs to be an area where pakistani's can discuss their own issues at peace, we dont have that - so why call it a pakistan defence forum? there are probably more active indian members, that tells its own story.

some parts can still remain open and i encourage this and enjoy other views, but ultimately what is the point of a pakistani defence forum if pakistani's cannot get together and discuss issues we want to wiyhout fear of being swamped

thereby i propose an area where pakistani's and pro-pakistani's can exclusively discuss issues at peace and ease.


the other indian/world affairs forums can have mixed people, there you go, everyones happy, as it stands its a bit of a joke to call it a pakistan defence forum when pakistanis cannot even talk at ease.

how is this forum a good place to discuss pakistani issues? - the laudable attempts at a utopia is failing miserably, you have to remember this is a defence forum.

This is one of the best places that I have seen. Do not spoil its neutrality. If you want to mingle with people who subscribe to your particular pov, theres an excellent forum for your kinds, check it out:
<sniped, we strongly discourage talking about other forums, especially less than favorable remarks about them>

You will find exactly what you are looking for.

 

[Developereo]

These are not pakistan's internal issue. This is another desprate india bashing attempt to portray hindu's in bad limelight as extremists, india as non-secular. And when other side comes up with its views, you simply want to ban indian members and sing a song.

That's a reasonable objection. If the discussion mentions India, then Indians should not be excluded.

I don't mind Indians (or anyone) contributing, as long as they are not trolling.

Consider it a battle where you can't just run away but fight and face the opposition. Stay here, face them and answer them. If they propagate or portray bad image of Pakistan than their country isn't of a square mile realm.

It's not a matter of running away. Often trolls (of any nationality) will keep repeating questions which have already been answered earlier in the thread, or bring off-topic hot button issues like Kashmir or minority rights or poverty or whatever to deliberalely derail the discussion.

And the experienced trolls work in teams, answering each other and filling up the thread with useless, off-topic posts.

 

[r3alist]

That's a reasonable objection. If the discussion mentions India, then Indians should not be excluded.

I am talking about threads which are not related to India.

if you allow this it will be no different from the forum as it is.

remember there is still an all inclusive area so they can still have their say on all issues with pak members.

maybe some trusted and respected indians can be allowed but ultimately i am in favour of an exclusive pak area where we can talk about whoever and whatever as we wish, otherwise allowing some concessions will lead to the same problem.

 

[Beskar]

This forum has clearly mentioned its policy on several occasions. There's even a dedicated section for that. It's easily available for you to read if you try to look a bit more harder. It's been that way for the past 4 years and we're definitely not going to change now.

We're the most successful, credible and honoured forum from South-Asia. The reason being our fair policy and equal rights for every nationality. What you're suggesting is not productive. Instead of complaining that the Indians are ruining every thread, why don't you do your part and help us make things even better by bringing in good arguments and debates to the forum so that we all can benefit? And while you're at it, use the report button for trolls and substandard posts and the management will take care of it.

We're far from becoming one of those places where they've put up walls around themselves so that they can comfortably shout useless jingoistic anthems over and over again to satisfy their hate for other nations.

Thread Closed.

 

[Awesome]

Realist,

In our 10+ years of being deeply involved in the political forum world, we have good reasons for the way we are.

But before I get into the why, let me explain "what we are"

1) We're not a Pakistani forum. We're an international forum with Pakistan as its subject matter. To us a Pakistani member is no better than an Indian, a Chinese, a Russian, etc. The most valued members here are those that will keep their cool, will demonstrate knowledgeable understanding of issues, will communicate their message effectively (not to be an English snob, but good communication skills are vital here).

2) We are a forum that appreciate, on topic, and off member posting. What I mean by that is, that you talk about the topic, and nothing but the topic, and NEVER about the members talking about the topic. This is so fundamental and 90&#37; of the people end up getting booted out because they can't do this and we don't want people who can't do this either. Not going to put anything against them here, but this is apparently not the right forum for people who can't debate on topic and need to resort to character assassination of the person they are debating with.

We strongly encourage people to keep the topic of the threads, more or less about Pakistan. Good, bad or the ugly. We want to discuss primarily only Pakistan. Indian members, I must agree have been guilty of forgetting this aspect about our policy - we do not encourage stories about Indians social, political, communal problems if they are not presented in a Pakistan context.

I must reiterate here that Pakistanis have been equally guilty of dragging India, in with the "Oh look at these poor Indians with nothing to wear and eat" - Not Pakistan's concern, people.

3) We're a secular forum. We do not encourage or demean any religion here. We do not however allow proselytizing of any religion, very strictly. You're not here to make anyone a better member of your faith. You may discuss social issues emanating with faith related problems - that too only in a Pakistan context. We understand there'd be faith popping up into discussions and we'd only allow it here in that "cultural" context - that too only Pakistan's culture.

With that I hope I've been able to impress upon you what we are, we're not a Pakistani forum. We're not a forum for Pakistanis... We're a forum about Pakistan.

Now for the why we're what we are:

1) We're an international forum since Pakistan does not live in a silo. Pakistan is a part of the global community, we need to understand all point of views about Pakistan. Bridge gaps, and become productive. There will be no growth if this was a forum that stated "Pakistan's great" and the nearly 20,000 members of ours just nodded in agreement.

2) Talking on topic is necessary to maintain our qualitative edge. It is a weak man's argument to resort to character assassination when you know you can't beat the other side's comments. Do you feel overwhelmed by the Indian presence here? Well the responsibly falls more on you, than on us since we are nationality blind, but if you truly believe in your point of view then you need to up you game and not give up.

3) We're secular, since we promote secularism for Pakistan. We believe EVERY Pakistani is an equal Pakistani and should be treated as such. This emanates from our policy and belief that EVERY member is an equal member of the forum. It would be a great disservice to Pakistan if we classifieds millions of our Pakistanis as lower class citizens just by valuating them based on their choice of faith. Faith is personal and its everyone's right to follow any path. However its none of our business how you approach God.

As I started, we are a culmination of a lot of experience with online forums and handling, and building large communities. With experience we will too continuously keep evolving as well but we have a vision and set goals along which we'd drive this community forward. We're not in need of revision as we're in a state of constant of change as our understanding grows further (just as everybody else). But we're how we are, not because of a mistake we've made (surely we've made other mistakes though). The way we are, all of this, its all deliberate.