This chart shows how bad things are for Apple and Samsung in the Chinese smartphone market

[cnleio]

Problem for Chinese smart phone brand is they are too hang up on Chinese market, where most of where their phone were sold to, was reading an article saying Huawei sold around 48 millions phone worldwide in 2016 (Compare to some 120 millions from Apple and 240 millions from Samsung) but around 60% of those sold are within China. Huawei being World number 3 phone seller is basically boosted only by Local sale. The lacking of international market for Chinese phone is what damaging the Chinese Phone manufacturer. Because Chinese Market is heavily protected by Chinese government, and by comparing how Chinese phone being sold in China would gave the Chinese company false sense of security, as we saw how the American Phones goes in the 90s. Which basically was killed off by a small Finnish Company called Nokia.

Don't forget ur dead American Brand ... MOTO Motorola.

2012年8月13日，摩托罗拉移动宣布全球裁员20%，并关闭1/3办事处。12月13日，摩托罗拉已经确定将会把位于天津的摩托罗拉全球最大手机工厂出售给代工厂商伟创力，摩托罗拉今后将不再从事手机生产制造，所有手机将会通过代工的方式生产。摩托罗拉将会集中资源，将精力专注于手机硬件的设计以及移动体验的创新。

2014年10月30日北京时间凌晨6点联想宣布，以29亿美元左右的价格购买谷歌的摩托罗拉移动智能手机业务，并将全面接管摩托罗拉移动的产品规划。联想期望以此进入竞争激烈的欧美市场。

2015年1月26日，联想集团旗下的全资子公司摩托罗拉在北京召开发布会，宣布正式在国内市场销售三款MOTO品牌的手机——新Moto X、新Moto G以及 Moto X Pro。这也标志着，摩托罗拉正式重返中国市场。

 

[jhungary]

Don't forget ur dead American Brand ... MOTO Motorola.

Motorola is the brand I am talking about, they were killed off by Nokia because they enjoyed majority success within the US, which ignore the world market. Hence we have this SIM card (GSM) vs CDMA debacle which ended up SIM card phone replace all CDMA phone, which were once standard in the US.

 

[cnleio]

Motorola is the brand I am talking about, they were killed off by Nokia because they enjoyed majority success within the US, which ignore the world market. Hence we have this SIM card vs CDMA debacle which ended up SIM card phone replace all CDMA phone, which were once standard in the US.

I update news about China Lenovo bought MOTO in 2014, Motorola belong to China company now.

 

[jhungary]

I update news about China Lenovo bought MOTO in 2014, Motorola belong to China company now.

Meh, I know Lenovo brought Motorola, but it was so yesterday technology.

I don't honestly think Lenovo brought Motorola is a good move to begin with, in 2012, Google brought Motorola solely because of the Motorola mobile Patent, almost none of these patent were transferred to Lenovo since Google Withholding those, which mean what Lenovo brought is the brand name, which hardly justify the 2.9 billions dollar Lenovo paid, I don't think Motorola brand worth that much, maybe 10 years ago, yes, but today, after RAZA, nobody can name a single Motorola Phone....

Especially what Lenovo brought is the Mobility branch, not the Superconductor Branch, which is actually worth something.

 

[cnleio]

Meh, I know Lenovo brought Motorola, but it was so yesterday technology.

I don't honestly think Lenovo brought Motorola is a good move to begin with, in 2012, Google brought Motorola solely because of the Motorola mobile Patent, almost none of these patent were transferred to Lenovo since Google Withholding those, which mean what Lenovo brought is the brand name, which hardly justify the 2.9 billions dollar Lenovo paid, I don't think Motorola brand worth that much, maybe 10 years ago, yes, but today, after RAZA, nobody can name a single Motorola Phone....

Especially what Lenovo brought is the Mobility branch, not the Superconductor Branch, which is actually worth something.

Im sorry, bro ... the semiconductor branch divided from Motorola named Freescale, but since 2016.12 there's no semiconductor company named "Freescale", the whole of Freescale business sold to NXP. Im very familiar with that Freescale, coz my daily job just write codes into Freescale's 8-bit,16-bit, 32-bit ARM microprocessors.

My MCU suppliers informed me there's no Freescale MCU anymore, only NXP's "Freescale MCU". Those NXP salesman & Account Manager already invited me and my team for free dinner !

 

[jhungary]

Im sorry, bro ... the semiconductor branch divided from Motorola named Freescale, but since 2016.12 there's no semiconductor company named "Freescale", the whole of Freescale business sold to NXP. Im very familiar with that Freescale, coz my daily job just write codes into Freescale's 8-bit,16-bit, 32-bit ARM microprocessors.

My MCU suppliers informed me there's no Freescale MCU anymore, only NXP's "Freescale MCU".

Yeah I know, they were brought by Qualcomm in 2016 (Your info is a bit off)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/qualcomm-to-buy-nxp-semiconductors-1477565063

Anyway, what I said was Motorola is not really a brand can earn money, after Lenovo brought Motorola, they actually just resume Motorola Asian Pacific Market, they weren't at the same level in the North American and European Market as before, as I said, the brand would not work for China like the time Lenovo brought IBM.

 

[Otonom Piyade]

Interesting debate... not sure what a Freescale semiconductor is sounds fascinating haha

 

[cnleio]

Yeah I know, they were brought by Qualcomm in 2016 (Your info is a bit off)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/qualcomm-to-buy-nxp-semiconductors-1477565063

Anyway, what I said was Motorola is not really a brand can earn money, after Lenovo brought Motorola, they actually just resume Motorola Asian Pacific Market, they weren't at the same level in the North American and European Market as before, as I said, the brand would not work for China like the time Lenovo brought IBM.

Each year Qualcomm sold millions of Telephone processors to China and Korea Mobile Phone companies ... the automotive electronics microprocessor has three famous brand: 1.Renesas 2. TI 3. Freescale which qualified by AEC-Q100, in China both TI and Freescale MCUs widely used in project develop by Chinese engineers. The Qualcomm bought NXP and NXP bought Freescale, just for into automotive electronics market in China.

 

[Paludism]

If you do want learn more about China, we are glad to tell you.
Don't talk like a idiot. Thanks.

They don't ever have good intentions. Don't bother with these low lifes.

 

[Basel]

Chinese brands are cheap while Apple is costly. In India, someone who cannot afford Apple and Samsung go for Chinese brands

Although I could have bought iPhone 6 or Galaxy S-7 but I went ahead with Infinix Note 3 pro because it's bang of the buck, I nearly have everything what big brands offer and performance is very good.

 

[jhungary]

Each year Qualcomm sold millions of Telephone processors to China and Korea Mobile Phone companies ... the automotive electronics microprocessor has three famous brand: 1.Renesas 2. TI 3. Freescale which qualified by AEC-Q100, in China both TI and Freescale MCUs widely used in project develop by Chinese engineers. The Qualcomm bought NXP and NXP bought Freescale, just for into automotive electronics market in China.

Well, that's true, but I think this is a bit off topic. Maybe we should go back to Chinese mobile phone.

The problem, as I said, is that Chinese mobile phone main target is Chinese Internal Market, well it may have been enough to earn enough for the brand to survive, but the problem is quite obvious that doing so will most likely ignoring the world trend, and mobile phone is not just a communication device like it was during the 80s and early 90s, today mobile phone is what we can see or use as a yard stick for Fashion or Popular Trend, and for the Chinese phone company, by betting only on Chinese market, they would have lag behind or in the dark with what the trend have to offer from the world.

The transition of the trend is always cross continent, we see swinging from the Original Brick Phone (the big phone that weight more than a bottle of water) from Americas to Smaller GSM phone by Nokia, then to Smartphone first from Apple in North America then Android Smart phone from Asia.

World demand of cellphone is bigger than the one that is in China, not just because there are more people using it in the world than in China, but also the world dictate the mobile phone trend, and as I said, the trend are usually intercontinental, China can dominate the Chinese Market, of course it does, but then there are always people from China that are willing to buy foreign phone (Like Samsung or Apple) and when you stack this against the people from overseas that are willing to buy Chinese Phone? You will see the danger the Chinese Brand is currently facing.

 

[Jlaw]

Apple and Samsung are also made in China.

Not the same as most profit goes back to the company's country of origin.

Don't lecture me on intellectual property right. I used to work in an US pharmaceutical company. India is the country which ignores the drug patents of western companies. Our company invented a new drug and next year India produced a generic version and put it on the market. I can say Indian stole something from me. But that’s OK for me as long as it can save life. But just don’t keep calling other people copycat. In today’s international trade environment, if Apple, or Facebook, or any western company feels that their right has been violated, they can sue the person even in China. I believe that they wouldn’t hesitate to do that. Since no such law sues floating around, you don’t have to the right to accuse someone who is innocent.

Warning: prolonged engagement with a Hindu will lower your sperm count and IQ.

 

[Sully3]

what is huwaei best phone right now can someone post the link

 

[qwerrty]

World demand of cellphone is bigger than the one that is in China, not just because there are more people using it in the world than in China, but also the world dictate the mobile phone trend, and as I said, the trend are usually intercontinental, China can dominate the Chinese Market, of course it does, but then there are always people from China that are willing to buy foreign phone (Like Samsung or Apple) and when you stack this against the people from overseas that are willing to buy Chinese Phone? You will see the danger the Chinese Brand is currently facing.

wrong. dual camera phones trend actually started in china by huawei. htc and lg made em too at the time, but nowhere as popular as huawei P9 leica that sold millions. the thin bezel phones also started in china by xiaomi, mi mix. sharp made 'em first years ago, but nobody gives a sh1t. the mi mix on the other hand sold out in seconds. now, samsung, lg and apple are me too.. lol

 

[武成王]

what is huwaei best phone right now can someone post the link

Huawei Nova 2 plus is one of the best sellers in China.
http://consumer.huawei.com/en/phones/nova2-plus/specs/

Huawei Mate 10 is the most advanced phone to be released to market after few months, it's considered a rival to iPhone 8.