There is no God , There is no Fate - Steven Hawking

[Sinnerman108]

Probably the most celebrated achievement that has led to great advances and allowed science
to be free of whims is the SCIENTIFIC METHOD.

Claim -> Proof -> Qualification -> Warrant

This is the greatest filter of truth from lies.

 

[gambit]

That is whole point brother, What would be considered a 100% prove for God ? in most of the court of laws Personal testimonies and video evidence are rejected , so I wont be surprised if God claims to be God is rejected by the Masses even if he comes down to earth .

If God cannot prove Himself to the billions humans in an undeniable way, then he is not god.

Second thing is , I don't think God has a Physical form to begin with ,...

Now you are speaking for God.

There is an irony here. God is so mysterious yet just about anyone can speak for Him regarding His nature and characteristics, but people respect scientists, generally accepts their words, and trust that other scientists will verify.

 

[YeBeWarned]

If God cannot prove Himself to the billions humans in an undeniable way, then he is not god.

Sir i am not arguing that God can or can not prove himself to the billions , What i am Asking what would be the standard Prove which will be accepted by Everyone ? The Evidence you deemed worth enough to believe in God means nothing to a Hindu or Zoroastrian .

Now you are speaking for God.

No sir, I am just expressing my own personal Understanding of God, I believe that God is some form of Light+Energy , I am not saying this is exactly what God is .

There is an irony here. God is so mysterious yet just about anyone can speak for Him regarding His nature and characteristics, but people respect scientists, generally accepts their words, and trust that other scientists will verify.

Sir No one Speak for God, God has spoken for himself time to time, to Moses pbuh he did on Mount Sinai in form 10 Commandments , and to Muhammad Pbuh through Quran .

 

[Sinnerman108]

If God cannot prove Himself to the billions humans in an undeniable way, then he is not god.

That is not gonna happen.
And that is precisely what faith is.
"In absence of explicit proof, believe that indeed God exists"

As per Islamic system,
Indeed God has shown signs in the form of Moses's miracles, Jesus Birth, Abraham, Joseph, etc
and by system, if a people are shown sign, then they cannot but believe fully failure to do so invites wrath.

 

[Sinnerman108]

Another way to look at it, is that if God revealed himself explicitly
then no points for having faith
and then only thing humans would logically do is absolute worship and obedience.

 

[gambit]

Another way to look at it, is that if God revealed himself explicitly
then no points for having faith
and then only thing humans would logically do is absolute worship and obedience.

How many things in YOUR life that you insisted on proof before you accept with faith?

The point is this: With faith comes high uncertainty and humans naturally avoid that, but the priests tells us that is unnatural.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Stephen Hawking's exact words were "there is no possibility of God". Long story short. Theology is the study of religion. The earliest religions were nature based, such as shamanism, Shintoism, Buddhism. Later religions were polytheist religions such as Hinduism, Greek and Roman religions, Egyptian religions. Latest religions are monotheist religions. Monotheist religions evolved from polytheist religions and retain the idea of many deities / immortals. These are called angels, such as Lucifer, Michael, Gabriel, Jesus. According to monotheist religions, God cannot interact with people, only angels can. So whether there is a God or not is irrelevant, because only angels interact with people, God cannot. Even Muhammad himself never spoke with God, only with the angel Gabriel. The central theme of monotheist religions is angels, not God.

 

[Super Falcon]

please webmaster close this thread of sin our religion and culture dont allow us to even see this sin every day delete thevthread ALLAH is the only GOD

 

[zip]

What you asked -- tried and failed.

Luther compelled the Reformation but did not do away with Christianity or even the Catholic Church. Instead, the Reformation spawned the multitude of Christian sects such as Episcopalian or Presbytarian or 'cults' like the Jehova's Witnesses. We see the same with Islam with the major division of the Shia and Sunni and the Muslim members of this forum can detail more.

The point here is that the notion of the godhood is so mysterious that a god -- any god -- cannot be disproved like a scientific proposition. For all we know, Zeus and Apollo did existed. There was a major battle in heaven and the Olympian gods were defeated. Is that any more absurd than the story of Lucifer rebelled, there was a battle in the Christian heaven, and Lucifer and his allies exiled into the region called 'Hell'?

The bottom line is if we want to understand the universe, we MUST look to Science. Religion have proven to be of ZERO help. What have we to lose since the godhood is far too mysterious anyway?

You are inside matrix .. no escape for you

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Monotheist religions clearly state people cannot ever interact with God, only with angels. Angels are the immortals in polytheist religions which are ancestors of monotheist religions. Archangel Gabriel introduced archangel Jesus to Mary, who bore Jesus despite being a virgin. Archangel Gabriel contacted Muhammad and whispered the Qur'an to him. Archangel Gabriel, Michael, Jesus are common first names of Christian men. Angels are ETs who visited Earth thousands of years ago. Mary bore Jesus despite being a virgin because aliens had artificial insemination technology at that time. Angels can make themselves appear at will and disappear at will and appear to whoever them want while being invisible to anyone else. Only Mary and Muhammad saw and heard Gabriel. No one else was able to see and hear Gabriel. Angels are ETs who visited Earth thousands of years ago. At the time, angels had technologies humans can only dream of today.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Even Muhammad himself never spoke with God, only with the angel Gabriel. The central theme of monotheist religions is angels, not God.

he Kinda did, its matter of if you believe in " Night Journey " of Prophet Muhammad Pbuh or not ..

Angels are the immortals

No, Angels are not Immortals .. According to Islam on the day of Judgement everyone and Everything will die including the Angles , Jinn and every other creation of God.. It also Include the Angel of Death , Only God(Allah) is Immortal , he was neither Born nor he will die ..

please webmaster close this thread of sin our religion and culture dont allow us to even see this sin every day delete thevthread ALLAH is the only GOD

So far i have not read one Insulting Comment posted by anyone here, if there is do point out and report .. If you have nothing better to contribute here than don't visit this thread, one more post like this and you will be reported to moderators .

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

There's a good saying. God helps those who help themselves. Whether you are atheist, agnostic, naturalist, polytheist, monotheist, only YOU can help yourself.

 

[pak-marine]

There's a good saying. God helps those who help themselves. Whether you are atheist, agnostic, naturalist, polytheist, monotheist, only YOU can help yourself.

probably change it to "" angels help those ...... ""

 

[SQ8]

he Kinda did, its matter of if you believe in " Night Journey " of Prophet Muhammad Pbuh or not ..



No, Angels are not Immortals .. According to Islam on the day of Judgement everyone and Everything will die including the Angles , Jinn and every other creation of God.. It also Include the Angel of Death , Only God(Allah) is Immortal , he was neither Born nor he will die ..



So far i have not read one Insulting Comment posted by anyone here, if there is do point out and report .. If you have nothing better to contribute here than don't visit this thread, one more post like this and you will be reported to moderators .

More importantly- how can you sin against culture? What sort of barbaric concept is sinning against culture? Culture is watta satta- is not doing it a sin?

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

probably change it to "" angels help those ...... ""

Angels are incredibly powerful ETs with tremendous technology. They are depicted with wings because they can fly. Jesus is an angel who walked on water and shocked people. Jesus was cloned from Gabriel with Mary being the surrogate mother. Romans nailed Jesus to a cross for days and Jesus can't be killed by people. It's crazy how much power angels have. Egyptian gods, Sumerian gods, Hindu gods, Greek gods, Roman gods, angels in the Torah, Bible, Qur'an are the same ETs. Lucifer is the bad angel. Kills lots of people for fun.