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To please the American master, MBS licks the boots of Israel


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By Abdel Bari Atwan (press review: Chronicle of Palestine -6/4/18) *



A close reading of the long interview of Saudi Crown Prince Muhammad Bin-Salman with The Atlantic shows that this is probably the most important interview he has ever given - not only because of the new approach he unveiled, but also because of the concrete steps that the young prince could take once he returned from his three-week tour of the United States.

The prince did not address the Saudi people in this interview, but the decision-makers, legislators and the deep state of the United States. He wanted to prove that his way of seeing things, and the projects he has, made him a reliable and trustworthy ally, in order to obtain the "green light" from the United States on his accession to the Saudi throne - what he hopes to happen in the days or weeks after his return.

Bin-Salman chose his words with great care. He knew what he meant, what he should not say, and who he meant to say. He sought to earn the trust of the supreme ally by exposing his political, social and economic plans, and he seems to have achieved his goal, at least in the case of the White House of President Donald Trump and the "Cabinet of war "that he is putting in place.

One can draw several conclusions by analyzing the questions and answers of this carefully written interview, as well as the introduction of interviewer Jeffrey Goldberg, and also reading between the lines.

Bin-Salman acknowledged, for the first time in the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict, that Jews have the right to establish a state in "a part of their ancestral homeland". Dennis Ross, the former Israeli lobbyist who handled the Arab-Israeli negotiations under successive US administrations, welcomed this unprecedented recognition. Earlier, he noted, "moderate" Arab governments had recognized Israel as a fait accompli, but none of them had gone so far as to cross that red line.

Throughout the interview, as reported by Goldberg, Bin-Salman "never said anything negative" about Israel, and made no mention of the annexation of occupied Jerusalem as capital of Israel - on the contrary, he praised Israel and its economic achievements. Nor did he refer to a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital. He merely expressed his belief that "Palestinians and Israelis have the right to their own land."

He divided the Middle East into two camps (just as former al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin-Laden did, albeit using a different terminology).First, there is the "evil triangle" including Iran and Hezbollah , the Muslim Brotherhood and various terrorist groups; opposed to a moderate camp including Jordan, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Oman, Kuwait and Yemen alongside Saudi Arabia. It is striking that he did not include Morocco or other North African countries in this list.

The Saudi Crown Prince acknowledged that his country had once used the Muslim Brotherhood to fight Communism, which he said had threatened the United States, Europe and Saudi Arabia itself during the Cold War. In this context, he described the regime of former Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser as "communist".

He flatly denied the existence of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia, and insisted that there was no school other than the four great schools of classical Sunni theology and that there was no discrimination between Sunnis and Shiites in the kingdom.

He denied that Saudi Arabia had ever funded terrorist or extremist groups, but admitted that Saudis - whom he did not name - could support.

He categorically refused to answer questions about his alleged anti-corruption campaign. Goldberg admitted that he had not even questioned her about it, because when asked about the purchase of a $ 500 million yacht and other purchases in a previous interview with CBS, he replied angrily that it was private business.

Finally, Bin-Salman has launched a particularly ferocious attack on the Iranian leader Ali Khamenei, worse than Hitler, according to him, because Hitler wanted to conquer only Europe while Khamenei wants to conquer the whole world. So you have to stop it instead of trying to coax it as the Europeans did with Hitler before they realized how dangerous he was.

It can be concluded from all that, that the Saudi Crown Prince is planning a future alliance with Israel as part of a "moderate" Arab axis that would oppose Iran with the support of the United States, he proposes to make Israel as an economic partner and strengthen its links with this state according to their mutual interests. It seemed to make this rapprochement depend on a just regional peace settlement. But he made no mention of the Arab peace plan or its provisions, even though it was originally drafted by Saudi Arabia itself.

To recognize an "ancestral" Jewish right to Palestine is a very serious development. King Salman hastened to "correct" the impression given by his son by calling on Trump to reaffirm Saudi Arabia's commitment to a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital. But the damage was done .... and the real ruler of Riyadh is Prince Mohammed.

He advances in a minefield. It may be worthwhile to remind him that all the Arab leaders who bet on Israel in the past have come to regret it.There is still time to think twice.


Original version: April 3, 2018 - Raï-al-Yaoum
 
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To please the American master, MBS licks the boots of Israel


ob_c0368a_muhammad-bin-salman-640x411.jpg



By Abdel Bari Atwan (press review: Chronicle of Palestine -6/4/18) *



A close reading of the long interview of Saudi Crown Prince Muhammad Bin-Salman with The Atlantic shows that this is probably the most important interview he has ever given - not only because of the new approach he unveiled, but also because of the concrete steps that the young prince could take once he returned from his three-week tour of the United States.

The prince did not address the Saudi people in this interview, but the decision-makers, legislators and the deep state of the United States. He wanted to prove that his way of seeing things, and the projects he has, made him a reliable and trustworthy ally, in order to obtain the "green light" from the United States on his accession to the Saudi throne - what he hopes to happen in the days or weeks after his return.

Bin-Salman chose his words with great care. He knew what he meant, what he should not say, and who he meant to say. He sought to earn the trust of the supreme ally by exposing his political, social and economic plans, and he seems to have achieved his goal, at least in the case of the White House of President Donald Trump and the "Cabinet of war "that he is putting in place.

One can draw several conclusions by analyzing the questions and answers of this carefully written interview, as well as the introduction of interviewer Jeffrey Goldberg, and also reading between the lines.

Bin-Salman acknowledged, for the first time in the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict, that Jews have the right to establish a state in "a part of their ancestral homeland". Dennis Ross, the former Israeli lobbyist who handled the Arab-Israeli negotiations under successive US administrations, welcomed this unprecedented recognition. Earlier, he noted, "moderate" Arab governments had recognized Israel as a fait accompli, but none of them had gone so far as to cross that red line.

Throughout the interview, as reported by Goldberg, Bin-Salman "never said anything negative" about Israel, and made no mention of the annexation of occupied Jerusalem as capital of Israel - on the contrary, he praised Israel and its economic achievements. Nor did he refer to a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital. He merely expressed his belief that "Palestinians and Israelis have the right to their own land."

He divided the Middle East into two camps (just as former al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin-Laden did, albeit using a different terminology).First, there is the "evil triangle" including Iran and Hezbollah , the Muslim Brotherhood and various terrorist groups; opposed to a moderate camp including Jordan, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Oman, Kuwait and Yemen alongside Saudi Arabia. It is striking that he did not include Morocco or other North African countries in this list.

The Saudi Crown Prince acknowledged that his country had once used the Muslim Brotherhood to fight Communism, which he said had threatened the United States, Europe and Saudi Arabia itself during the Cold War. In this context, he described the regime of former Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser as "communist".

He flatly denied the existence of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia, and insisted that there was no school other than the four great schools of classical Sunni theology and that there was no discrimination between Sunnis and Shiites in the kingdom.

He denied that Saudi Arabia had ever funded terrorist or extremist groups, but admitted that Saudis - whom he did not name - could support.

He categorically refused to answer questions about his alleged anti-corruption campaign. Goldberg admitted that he had not even questioned her about it, because when asked about the purchase of a $ 500 million yacht and other purchases in a previous interview with CBS, he replied angrily that it was private business.

Finally, Bin-Salman has launched a particularly ferocious attack on the Iranian leader Ali Khamenei, worse than Hitler, according to him, because Hitler wanted to conquer only Europe while Khamenei wants to conquer the whole world. So you have to stop it instead of trying to coax it as the Europeans did with Hitler before they realized how dangerous he was.

It can be concluded from all that, that the Saudi Crown Prince is planning a future alliance with Israel as part of a "moderate" Arab axis that would oppose Iran with the support of the United States, he proposes to make Israel as an economic partner and strengthen its links with this state according to their mutual interests. It seemed to make this rapprochement depend on a just regional peace settlement. But he made no mention of the Arab peace plan or its provisions, even though it was originally drafted by Saudi Arabia itself.

To recognize an "ancestral" Jewish right to Palestine is a very serious development. King Salman hastened to "correct" the impression given by his son by calling on Trump to reaffirm Saudi Arabia's commitment to a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital. But the damage was done .... and the real ruler of Riyadh is Prince Mohammed.

He advances in a minefield. It may be worthwhile to remind him that all the Arab leaders who bet on Israel in the past have come to regret it.There is still time to think twice.


Original version: April 3, 2018 - Raï-al-Yaoum
Trump doesn't care about anyone else but him. to please him. he would rather have his ego pampered than any other country.

KSA and Israel were already normalizing their relations before Trump.
his comment about Israel's right to peaceful existence is not boot licking but a welcome one. his comment was qualified with the right for the Palestinians as well so it was not an outright unqualified support for Israel.

hating on Iran would also not please Trump either because the mutual hatred between KSA and Iran predates Trump as well.
he blamed the West over the spread of Wahabism to fight the soviets. this can be hardly called Trump boot licking.

this is just my view. I have many complaints and criticism on how KSA conducts itself but not on this issue
 
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KSA Israel have clandestine ties way before MBS or Trump.
Turki Feisal and Mossad have conducted plenty of security operations, for example in Argentina explosion in amia and blaming it on iran was one of their mutual operations. In Syria, Iraq, Libya, and all the other places hit by Takfiri terror groups, KSA has been working with Israelis. Supporting MEK terror group is also a saudi israeli mutual interests conducting tens of terror attacks in Iran and Iraq against innocent civilians. The list is too long, and then anybody , no one, except for the ones bit by Saudi israeli alliance , wouldn't believe it.
 
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Turki Feisal and Mossad have conducted plenty of security operations, for example in Argentina explosion in amia and blaming it on iran was one of their mutual operations. In Syria, Iraq, Libya, and all the other places hit by Takfiri terror groups, KSA has been working with Israelis. Supporting MEK terror group is also a saudi israeli mutual interests conducting tens of terror attacks in Iran and Iraq against innocent civilians. The list is too long, and then anybody , no one, except for the ones bit by Saudi israeli alliance , wouldn't believe it.

Exactly, they've relations since long. That's the reason they killed King Faisal. The only sensible guy they ever had who got himself killed for saying NO.
 
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Exactly, they've relations since long. That's the reason they killed King Faisal. The only sensible guy they ever had who got himself killed for saying NO.
They killed former foreign minister who had felt the threat of Takfiri groups for peninsula Muslims.
This guy who called , Khamenei , Imam showing his respect to our leader was slowly backing to his sense, guess what, just a couple of days after his positive position about iran, he got disappeared and I heard that he is dead. They killed the one who had returned to his sense
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After terrorizing him, the plan of attacking Yemen just kick off. I don't mean he was a good man, never, his hands were stained to Syrian blood but it shows that if a saudi, even from princes, tries to see the truth and work for benefits of his own people, simply, Mossad and it's lap dogs in KSA will immediately eliminate him. I mean the very called MBS
 
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Trump doesn't care about anyone else but him. to please him. he would rather have his ego pampered than any other country.
True..Trump compaigned on making the Sauds pay for the the US protection..He is doing just as he said..and he faired a lot better than he thought..It does look that the Sauds gave him the right to write his own check.
MBS exceeded his zeal by transforming the KSA (which is good for the Sauds) into a modern country away from the weight of the religion..wether the Sauds royals and the Wahabi sect can live with it or not, that will be seen and I am sure he will be tested by inside rebellions


KSA and Israel were already normalizing their relations before Trump.
it was always discreet, all the countries entertains back channel...the best chance they had was with Obama, Trump imposed it..
his comment about Israel's right to peaceful existence is not boot licking but a welcome one. his comment was qualified with the right for the Palestinians as well so it was not an outright unqualified support for Israel.
Irfan, you can color it anyway you want, his excess of zeal made look more than an a ss kissing, a total submission

this is just my view. I have many complaints and criticism on how KSA conducts itself but not on this issue
And the above, was my take . A lot of Pdfs, save few , will undoubtedly agree with me. The usual magpies, will scream murder..
 
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True..Trump compaigned on making the Sauds pay for the the US protection..He is doing just as he said..and he faired a lot better than he thought..It does look that the Sauds gave him the right to write his own check.
MBS exceeded his zeal by transforming the KSA (which is good for the Sauds) into a modern country away from the weight of the religion..wether the Sauds royals and the Wahabi sect can live with it or not, that will be seen and I am sure he will be tested by inside rebellions



it was always discreet, all the countries entertains back channel...the best chance they had was with Obama, Trump imposed it..

Irfan, you can color it anyway you want, his excess of zeal made look more than an a ss kissing, a total submission


and the above, was mine and a of pdf, save few , the same magpies, will scream murder..
you got so much potential my dear
but the level of counter arguments you get basically reduce to something less impressive and then you cant post for some time.
 
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Exactly, they've relations since long. That's the reason they killed King Faisal. The only sensible guy they ever had who got himself killed for saying NO.
King Faisal was killed for his role in the oil Embargo and his stern position on Palestine. He was like all main actors , he was lied by Egypt and killed for it..

you got so much potential my dear
but the level of counter arguments you get basically reduce to something less impressive and then you cant post for some time.
Sorry Professor, I missed all your classes..:kiss3:
 
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KSA Israel have clandestine ties way before MBS or Trump.
Not fan of Arabia but kingdom of Khomeini did openly get kosher weapons from Israel in IRAN Israel famous contra affair to halal Muslims, subhanAllah for kingdom of Khomeini finds no shame in getting kosher weapons
 
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Mohammad Bin Salman is just being pragmatic by having bilateral relations with Israel.

Wise move by Mohammad Bin Salman.
 
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To please the American master, MBS licks the boots of Israel


ob_c0368a_muhammad-bin-salman-640x411.jpg



By Abdel Bari Atwan (press review: Chronicle of Palestine -6/4/18) *



A close reading of the long interview of Saudi Crown Prince Muhammad Bin-Salman with The Atlantic shows that this is probably the most important interview he has ever given - not only because of the new approach he unveiled, but also because of the concrete steps that the young prince could take once he returned from his three-week tour of the United States.

The prince did not address the Saudi people in this interview, but the decision-makers, legislators and the deep state of the United States. He wanted to prove that his way of seeing things, and the projects he has, made him a reliable and trustworthy ally, in order to obtain the "green light" from the United States on his accession to the Saudi throne - what he hopes to happen in the days or weeks after his return.

Bin-Salman chose his words with great care. He knew what he meant, what he should not say, and who he meant to say. He sought to earn the trust of the supreme ally by exposing his political, social and economic plans, and he seems to have achieved his goal, at least in the case of the White House of President Donald Trump and the "Cabinet of war "that he is putting in place.

One can draw several conclusions by analyzing the questions and answers of this carefully written interview, as well as the introduction of interviewer Jeffrey Goldberg, and also reading between the lines.

Bin-Salman acknowledged, for the first time in the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict, that Jews have the right to establish a state in "a part of their ancestral homeland". Dennis Ross, the former Israeli lobbyist who handled the Arab-Israeli negotiations under successive US administrations, welcomed this unprecedented recognition. Earlier, he noted, "moderate" Arab governments had recognized Israel as a fait accompli, but none of them had gone so far as to cross that red line.

Throughout the interview, as reported by Goldberg, Bin-Salman "never said anything negative" about Israel, and made no mention of the annexation of occupied Jerusalem as capital of Israel - on the contrary, he praised Israel and its economic achievements. Nor did he refer to a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital. He merely expressed his belief that "Palestinians and Israelis have the right to their own land."

He divided the Middle East into two camps (just as former al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin-Laden did, albeit using a different terminology).First, there is the "evil triangle" including Iran and Hezbollah , the Muslim Brotherhood and various terrorist groups; opposed to a moderate camp including Jordan, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Oman, Kuwait and Yemen alongside Saudi Arabia. It is striking that he did not include Morocco or other North African countries in this list.

The Saudi Crown Prince acknowledged that his country had once used the Muslim Brotherhood to fight Communism, which he said had threatened the United States, Europe and Saudi Arabia itself during the Cold War. In this context, he described the regime of former Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser as "communist".

He flatly denied the existence of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia, and insisted that there was no school other than the four great schools of classical Sunni theology and that there was no discrimination between Sunnis and Shiites in the kingdom.

He denied that Saudi Arabia had ever funded terrorist or extremist groups, but admitted that Saudis - whom he did not name - could support.

He categorically refused to answer questions about his alleged anti-corruption campaign. Goldberg admitted that he had not even questioned her about it, because when asked about the purchase of a $ 500 million yacht and other purchases in a previous interview with CBS, he replied angrily that it was private business.

Finally, Bin-Salman has launched a particularly ferocious attack on the Iranian leader Ali Khamenei, worse than Hitler, according to him, because Hitler wanted to conquer only Europe while Khamenei wants to conquer the whole world. So you have to stop it instead of trying to coax it as the Europeans did with Hitler before they realized how dangerous he was.

It can be concluded from all that, that the Saudi Crown Prince is planning a future alliance with Israel as part of a "moderate" Arab axis that would oppose Iran with the support of the United States, he proposes to make Israel as an economic partner and strengthen its links with this state according to their mutual interests. It seemed to make this rapprochement depend on a just regional peace settlement. But he made no mention of the Arab peace plan or its provisions, even though it was originally drafted by Saudi Arabia itself.

To recognize an "ancestral" Jewish right to Palestine is a very serious development. King Salman hastened to "correct" the impression given by his son by calling on Trump to reaffirm Saudi Arabia's commitment to a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital. But the damage was done .... and the real ruler of Riyadh is Prince Mohammed.

He advances in a minefield. It may be worthwhile to remind him that all the Arab leaders who bet on Israel in the past have come to regret it.There is still time to think twice.


Original version: April 3, 2018 - Raï-al-Yaoum


It's about time Muslims recognized Israel and it right to exists. Jewish people deserve a homeland as much as the Muslims of the subcontinent deserve Pakistan. It's a security against another Holocaust or a Muslim lynching extermination program by Hindutvaism.

Even in the Quran the land is quoted as the promised land for the Children of Israel.

The real enemy of the Muslims is hindutva India not Israel.

Muslims and Jews are cousins with 98% the same prophets and 98% the same shari'ah.

While Hindus and Muslims share 0% amongst each other.

Palestine + Israel = peace.
 
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It's about time Muslims recognized Israel and it right to exists. Jewish people deserve a homeland as much as the Muslims of the subcontinent deserve Pakistan. It's a security against another Holocaust or a Muslim lynching extermination program by Hindutvaism.

Even in the Quran the land is quoted as the promised land for the Children of Israel.

The real enemy of the Muslims is hindutva India not Israel.

Muslims and Jews are cousins with 98% the same prophets and 98% the same shari'ah.

While Hindus and Muslims share 0% amongst each other.

Palestine + Israel = peace.
Palestine is a lost cause. Israel is here, and it's not going away.

The Palestinian-Israeli conflict is not Pakistan's problem.

I am very close to the opinion that Pakistan should recognize Israel.

But at the same time, there should be a Palestinian state as well for the Palestinian Muslims and Palestinian Christians as well.

This is my opinion.

What have the Palestinians done for Pakistan? Absolutely nothing.
Even the Palestinians are not united in their cause.
 
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Turki Feisal and Mossad have conducted plenty of security operations, for example in Argentina explosion in amia and blaming it on iran was one of their mutual operations. In Syria, Iraq, Libya, and all the other places hit by Takfiri terror groups, KSA has been working with Israelis. Supporting MEK terror group is also a saudi israeli mutual interests conducting tens of terror attacks in Iran and Iraq against innocent civilians. The list is too long, and then anybody , no one, except for the ones bit by Saudi israeli alliance , wouldn't believe it.
What is the evidence of Saudis being involved in Amia?
 
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