The war on Iran begins in Syria

[Darth Vader]

Ground invasion is unlikely in a short term. Israelis are much more casualty averse than any country in the region. And hezbullah and others are ready to give them a bloody punch in their faces operating in their own backyards in Lebanon and Syria if Israel choose to send their ground troops.The war will remain inconclusive just like 2006 with much more casualties on both sides.And Israelis consider own defeat anything other that total victory.When they will see total victory is not coming easily, they will mount pressure to the govt. to withdraw.It will be strategic defeat for Israel. I do not think Israeli leadership will take that risk this early.

Wars are not cheap , as they were in past
And gains are limited now unless total occupation

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Wars are not cheap , as they were in past
And gains are limited now unless total occupation

Total occupation of only a portion of Lebanon or Syria will not bear any fruit.It will only pushback the frontline to just a little backward and a war of attrition will follows which Israelis fear the most. They will have to go for total occupation of Syria and Lebanon. Even if we take aside the fierce international condemnation for liquidating 2 sovereign UN members, It will be a too big fish to swallow for them. Managing a hostile and armed population of several times of Israel itself will not be easy even with superior arms and training that Israelis have.So they can't go for total occupation nor they can achieve substantially with a limited occupation.

 

[gangsta_rap]

If we go by history they were able to offset PLO out of Lebanon

 

[mohsen]

Why Zionists write their dreams to web? Don't they have psychologists to talk to?!

 

[raptor22]

So far failed ... no reason to see it happening ,,,

 

[VEVAK]

All Israel can do is drop a few bombs so if Iran chooses they would NOT have the power to kick Iran out just as they couldn't kick Hezbullah out of Lebanon so why would this be any different? All they can do is drop a few bombs & missiles and kill a few Iranians just as they dropped a few bombs and killed a few Hezbullah member in Lebanon and NOTHING more! And who do you think was more embarrassed at the end of that conflict?
So all the Israeli's can do is harass Iranian solders and whether Iran stay's or goes is purely based on Iran's and or Syria's decision!

Iran didn't go to Syria to invade Syria! Iran was invited in to help with the terrorist problem there and nothing MORE! And Iran has been pretty successful in helping Syria do exactly that and that success scared the hell out of the Israeli's so now they wanna make this about them!

 

[Arminkh]

All Israel can do is drop a few bombs so if Iran chooses they would NOT have the power to kick Iran out just as they couldn't kick Hezbullah out of Lebanon so why would this be any different? All they can do is drop a few bombs & missiles and kill a few Iranians just as they dropped a few bombs and killed a few Hezbullah member in Lebanon and NOTHING more! And who do you think was more embarrassed at the end of that conflict?
So all the Israeli's can do is harass Iranian solders and whether Iran stay's or goes is purely based on Iran's and or Syria's decision!

Iran didn't go to Syria to invade Syria! Iran was invited in to help with the terrorist problem there and nothing MORE! And Iran has been pretty successful in helping Syria do exactly that and that success scared the hell out of the Israeli's so now they wanna make this about them!

These are all BS justifications for disrespecting a sovereign nations borders every day. They are trying to convince Europeans that hey if we are weakened, then the big bad Iran is unleashed and no one would be able to do anything about it.

 

[zectech]

The more Iran takes and does not respond with an attack, the more ammo Iran has with the European community to say, "see, we want peace and they want war." Of course, respond with Air Defense and fighters over Iranian skies.

 

[VEVAK]

The more Iran takes and does not respond with an attack, the more ammo Iran has with the European community to say, "see, we want peace and they want war." Of course, respond with Air Defense and fighters over Iranian skies.

That's exactly what Saddam did between 1992-2003 while the U.S. was doing this:

1.Operation Southern Watch that went on from 1992-2003
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Southern_Watch
2.Operation Northern Watch 1997-2003
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northern_Watch​

Saddam did almost exactly the same thing your suggesting and he even agreed to full UN inspection and handing over all his +300km Missile stockpile, WMD stockpile..... and he did everything he could to make himself seem harmless so much so that by 2002 he only had 9 Missiles launcher left and no more than a few dozen 300km inaccurate Ballistic Missiles.


So by the time the 2003 invasion came they had already destroyed Iraq's SAM sites, missile depot & weapons factories and had full control of Iraqi Air Space with a large number of special forces deployed on the ground in 2002 and that is why the 2003 invasion looked like a cake walk for people that didn't know any better but in reality it took the U.S. over a decade of none stop almost daily sorties over Iraq to achieve

So you see the U.S. would love it if they could get away with launching a few strikes here and there without Iran responding militarily because that would mean they could do the same thing they did to Iraq and Iran simply can't afford to risk it! And allowing one strike to go without retaliation will only invite the next!!!

 

[zectech]

That's exactly what Saddam did between 1992-2003 while the U.S. was doing this:

1.Operation Southern Watch that went on from 1992-2003
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Southern_Watch
2.Operation Northern Watch 1997-2003
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northern_Watch​

Saddam did almost exactly the same thing your suggesting and he even agreed to full UN inspection and handing over all his +300km Missile stockpile, WMD stockpile..... and he did everything he could to make himself seem harmless so much so that by 2002 he only had 9 Missiles launcher left and no more than a few dozen 300km inaccurate Ballistic Missiles.


So by the time the 2003 invasion came they had already destroyed Iraq's SAM sites, missile depot & weapons factories and had full control of Iraqi Air Space with a large number of special forces deployed on the ground in 2002 and that is why the 2003 invasion looked like a cake walk for people that didn't know any better but in reality it took the U.S. over a decade of none stop almost daily sorties over Iraq to achieve

So you see the U.S. would love it if they could get away with launching a few strikes here and there without Iran responding militarily because that would mean they could do the same thing they did to Iraq and Iran simply can't afford to risk it! And allowing one strike to go without retaliation will only invite the next!!!

I am saying defend what is your's, including a nuclear program. Saddam was not defended by Russia in the UN. Once the UN goes after you, especially after a failed war, they try to make sure you never rise again. Happening to Iraq today. Will Iraq ever regain their former glory, the West does not want that, a free and strong Iraq is dangerous and perilous.

 

[TheImmortal]

That's exactly what Saddam did between 1992-2003 while the U.S. was doing this:

1.Operation Southern Watch that went on from 1992-2003
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Southern_Watch
2.Operation Northern Watch 1997-2003
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northern_Watch​

Saddam did almost exactly the same thing your suggesting and he even agreed to full UN inspection and handing over all his +300km Missile stockpile, WMD stockpile..... and he did everything he could to make himself seem harmless so much so that by 2002 he only had 9 Missiles launcher left and no more than a few dozen 300km inaccurate Ballistic Missiles.


So by the time the 2003 invasion came they had already destroyed Iraq's SAM sites, missile depot & weapons factories and had full control of Iraqi Air Space with a large number of special forces deployed on the ground in 2002 and that is why the 2003 invasion looked like a cake walk for people that didn't know any better but in reality it took the U.S. over a decade of none stop almost daily sorties over Iraq to achieve

So you see the U.S. would love it if they could get away with launching a few strikes here and there without Iran responding militarily because that would mean they could do the same thing they did to Iraq and Iran simply can't afford to risk it! And allowing one strike to go without retaliation will only invite the next!!!

Comparing apples to watermelons, Vevak.

Israel red line has been transfer of Fateh family missiles to Hezbollah.

Iran says catch me if you can.

So they play a cat and mouse game that is within both sides rules of engagement.

Comparing that to Saddam getting neutered is HUGE stretch. Iran is in a position of power and Israel is attacking out on defense to protect itself in the next war. Iran is being attacked in a foreign country, not at home.

Even Iran attacked the US when it was occupying Iraq. What did the US do? NOTHING! When you’re in a foreign theater prepare to get stung!

So far Iran is moving forward! Only Iran truly knows out of 100 shipments how many get intercepted and how many make it to Hezbollah.

Iran has probably been moving older generations of Fateh missile throughout the war. Even if they get destroyed, it’s not a huge loss. It’s the cost Iran is willing to accept.

 

[VEVAK]

Comparing apples to watermelons, Vevak.

Israel red line has been transfer of Fateh family missiles to Hezbollah.

Iran says catch me if you can.

So they play a cat and mouse game that is within both sides rules of engagement.

Comparing that to Saddam getting neutered is HUGE stretch. Iran is in a position of power and Israel is attacking out on defense to protect itself in the next war. Iran is being attacked in a foreign country, not at home.

Even Iran attacked the US when it was occupying Iraq. What did the US do? NOTHING! When you’re in a foreign theater prepare to get stung!

So far Iran is moving forward! Only Iran truly knows out of 100 shipments how many get intercepted and how many make it to Hezbollah.

Iran has probably been moving older generations of Fateh missile throughout the war. Even if they get destroyed, it’s not a huge loss. It’s the cost Iran is willing to accept.

Read his post bro! He said Iran should respond with Sam's and Fighter over Iranian "SOIL" and then go to the Europeans and say look it's not us we want peace!

My response was directly at that comment NOT SYRIA! Or Iranian troops helping to fight terrorist 500-1000km from our own territory

If a single bomb drops on Iranian soil we will have NO COICE!

I am saying defend what is your's, including a nuclear program. Saddam was not defended by Russia in the UN. Once the UN goes after you, especially after a failed war, they try to make sure you never rise again. Happening to Iraq today. Will Iraq ever regain their former glory, the West does not want that, a free and strong Iraq is dangerous and perilous.

I know and defending only is what Saddam tried to do! U.N. has no power and Russia is not going to get into a overt war with the U.S. over any country! Just look as Syria...

Iran can't stick to Defense only! If a single bomb drops Iran will have to retaliate!

 

[zectech]

Read his post bro! He said Iran should respond with Sam's and Fighter over Iranian "SOIL" and then go to the Europeans and say look it's not us we want peace!

My response was directly at that comment NOT SYRIA! Or Iranian troops helping to fighter terrorist 500-1000km from our own territory

If a single bomb drops on Iranian soil we will have NO COICE!



I know and defending only is what Saddam tried to do! U.N. has no power and Russia is not going to get into a overt war with the U.S. over any country! Just look as Syria...

Iran can't stick to Defense only! If a single bomb drops Iran will have to retaliate!

Hope the Persians have built up their military because the war crazies in the West may try to use it to start a war. Be sure to be ready for a war.

 

[TheImmortal]

Hope the Persians have built up their military because the war crazies in the West may try to use it to start a war. Be sure to be ready for a war.

US cannot financially afford a Iranwar. Trump as much as people point out is aggressive, he is also anti-war.

He even told Bolton when he first joined that he wouldn’t allow him to start a war with Iran.

The only reasons Trump pulled out of Iran deal is because two reasons:

1) he promised he would when campaigning

2) it was an Obama achievement, and trump wants to undo everything Obama did

The last time US fought a country as powerful as Iran is today, was the Korean War. And we saw how that turned out. In many ways Iran is much more powerful then a communist Korea was than.

 

[Hack-Hook]

US cannot financially afford a Iranwar. Trump as much as people point out is aggressive, he is also anti-war.

He even told Bolton when he first joined that he wouldn’t allow him to start a war with Iran.

The only reasons Trump pulled out of Iran deal is because two reasons:

1) he promised he would when campaigning

2) it was an Obama achievement, and trump wants to undo everything Obama did

The last time US fought a country as powerful as Iran is today, was the Korean War. And we saw how that turned out. In many ways Iran is much more powerful then a communist Korea was than.

Well in that war Usa drove Korea back to China border and if it was not for China and Russia intervention today there was no north Korea .