The virginity industry

[Hyde]

I cant stop laughing

Why o Why someone has to get anything done.

BTW, that tissue can get ruptured by many physical activities, like running, cycling, swimming etc. So I do expect that that tissue would be ruptured in any such activities even if a girl is really a virgin, as girls these days do all these activities.

So if my partner oozes any such liquid I would be more suspicious than being happy.

very well said KillBill it happens a lot

Many times womens get operated or while in excercises the tissue get ruptured and they look no longer a virgin even though they are.

@ topic

I would always prefer a virgin women as long as i am a virgin too if i am loyal to my wife i would ask my wife to be faithful to me also. If i ain't virgin i wouldn't mind

Won't mind if i am virgin and my wife was married and divorced - wouldn't mind this way as long as that intercourse was legal Islamically

 

[gambit]

very well said KillBill it happens a lot

Many times womens get operated or while in excercises the tissue get ruptured and they look no longer a virgin even though they are.

@ topic

I would always prefer a virgin women as long as i am a virgin too if i am loyal to my wife i would ask my wife to be faithful to me also. If i ain't virgin i wouldn't mind

Won't mind if i am virgin and my wife was married and divorced - wouldn't mind this way as long as that intercourse was legal Islamically

Fidelity is about being faithful AFTER a vow. In the abstract, fidelity has nothing to do with sex but about being honorable to one's allegiance. If I swore an oath of allegiance before one flag, I have no business doing the same to another flag. Else I should make a public renunciation of my previous allegiance. So if you take a wife who is not a virgin at the time of the oath of allegiance to each other and if she remain faithful to you in the marriage, you have no cause to complain about her sexual experiences, even if she was a **** actress, prior to marriage.

 

[gambit]

We in the subcontinent are still too concerned about virginity.

I would personally like to have a virgin wife but it wouldn't matter to me if she isn't either. Virginity is over hyped in the subcontinent.

But I would never want to marry someone who got herself a restoration like this because such a person is trying to cheat me with a false virgin tag. If you ain't a virgin then admit it. If someone does have sex, then he/she should be able to face the consequences too.

If she is not ready to face the consequences then she shouldn't have had sex in the first place. Only immature people have sex without hint of the aftermath. I wouldn't want to have such a partner for sure.

I really hate fake people. Sometimes I feel like pulling out that rocket launcher off my bag and blowing that clown into pieces. But thats just me.

How about...

If HE is not ready to face the consequences...blah...blah...blah...?

For the female, there is a good possibility of proving (or disproving) virginity. What is there for the male? We punish, or reward, upon evidences. If I do good work, the evidence is the aircraft would fly. If I steal, the evidence is a fingerprint. Of course, the consequences are different. So what evidences can a male give to the female to prove his sexual inexperience and what consequences are there for lack thereof?

 

[Hyde]

Fidelity is about being faithful AFTER a vow. In the abstract, fidelity has nothing to do with sex but about being honorable to one's allegiance. If I swore an oath of allegiance before one flag, I have no business doing the same to another flag. Else I should make a public renunciation of my previous allegiance. So if you take a wife who is not a virgin at the time of the oath of allegiance to each other and if she remain faithful to you in the marriage, you have no cause to complain about her sexual experiences, even if she was a **** actress, prior to marriage.

well i am bit religious in this matter - the allegiance starts when you born until your death. Islamically sex before marriage is considered one of the grave sins of life. Full Stop......... I would not mind if my wife had a legal marriage and whatever relationships she had with her former husband but if she has had intercourse with her BF without tying up in Marital status............. She will never be faithful in my eyes

She had an affair before - She may have another affair after marriage too

Everybody can have their own opinion and is highly appreciated by me

 

[gambit]

well i am bit religious in this matter - the allegiance starts when you born until your death. Islamically sex before marriage is considered one of the grave sins of life. Full Stop......... I would not mind if my wife had a legal marriage and whatever relationships she had with her former husband but if she has had intercourse with her BF without tying up in Marital status............. She will never be faithful in my eyes

She had an affair before - She may have another affair after marriage too

Everybody can have their own opinion and is highly appreciated by me

The allegiance you speak of is between the woman and her god, not between she and you. But your concern is valid, that if she broke her vow to a deity, why should you, one is quite a nobody in the cosmic sense, matter any greater? The difference here is the consequence and WHEN said consequence will occur. To date, no one has ever returned from the afterlife to tell us what it look like, who is in charge there, and all the things we normally associate with civilization. For all we know, there is no afterlife.

But in this life, consequences do occur and usually for some reasons. For the female, the consequence for being a non-virgin at the time of marriage is death. That consequence was not defined by any deity but by humans who claimed to speak for said deity. In the possibility that there is no afterlife at all, does that mean these people spoke for nobody, hence the consequence, the worst punishment we can mete out to each other -- death, is really nothing more than the result of their petty jealousy hidden behind religion?

 

[dbc]

Whatever your beliefs it is important to remember not all women bleed the first time. The absence of blood is not conclusive, the only way to be really sure is to insist upon a OB/GYN examination before marriage. Not exactly a good way to start a life long partnership is it?

 

[Awesome]

The allegiance you speak of is between the woman and her god, not between she and you. But your concern is valid, that if she broke her vow to a deity, why should you, one is quite a nobody in the cosmic sense, matter any greater? The difference here is the consequence and WHEN said consequence will occur. To date, no one has ever returned from the afterlife to tell us what it look like, who is in charge there, and all the things we normally associate with civilization. For all we know, there is no afterlife.

But in this life, consequences do occur and usually for some reasons. For the female, the consequence for being a non-virgin at the time of marriage is death. That consequence was not defined by any deity but by humans who claimed to speak for said deity. In the possibility that there is no afterlife at all, does that mean these people spoke for nobody, hence the consequence, the worst punishment we can mete out to each other -- death, is really nothing more than the result of their petty jealousy hidden behind religion?

The issue is more of a male chauvinist than anything else. If she has had sex, she has experience - experience is a bad thing then. The proverbial male ego is hurt, imagining your wife giving orgasmic noises off to some other guy. Somehow before or after the vow just doesn't matter . Of course there is a lot of peer pressure involved as well, especially if others know.

It would pretty much bother any male even a westerner perhaps, however they tend to just not think about it and the couples mostly have a don't ask, don't tell policy regarding their previous sexual experience.

Religion is there too. But it comes after this. Whether its right or wrong... Hmm who knows its much a like many other sexual preferences. Its like saying falling for hot chicks over average looking ones is bad. Its a preference and I think if women want guys with that preference then they should REALLY be virgins and not opt for deceptive quick fixes, I think in this day and age there are many others who are okay about it, even in the Muslim world. The thing is - Probably she doesn't want someone with experience as well

 

[Awesome]

Whatever your beliefs it is important to remember not all women bleed the first time. The absence of blood is not conclusive, the only way to be really sure is to insist upon a OB/GYN examination before marriage. Not exactly a good way to start a life long partnership is it?

In some tribal cultures the wife is bedded with a cloth underneath. A bunch of elders wait outside while the couple does the deed (wait it gets sicker), and then the bloodied cloth is brought outside by the mother of the bride and shown to the elders as a sign of her chastity.

Sometimes when the hymen is broken off due to some other reason and the husband believes the wife, he will slit his finger drop a little blood and then put it out in the showcase outside for the elders.

So the idea is to let others know as well.

Its deep rooted in male behavior, some of these tribal cultures are a lot more primal and go by their raw emotions. Did I mention the girl would probably get shot if she had pre-marital sex?

 

[Hyde]

In some tribal cultures the wife is bedded with a cloth underneath. A bunch of elders wait outside while the couple does the deed (wait it gets sicker), and then the bloodied cloth is brought outside by the mother of the bride and shown to the elders as a sign of her chastity.

Sometimes when the hymen is broken off due to some other reason and the husband believes the wife, he will slit his finger drop a little blood and then put it out in the showcase outside for the elders.

So the idea is to let others know as well.

Its deep rooted in male behavior, some of these tribal cultures are a lot more primal and go by their raw emotions. Did I mention the girl would probably get shot if she had pre-marital sex?

Yeah very true

and but she does not usually get shot. She get divorced right there on the first night of her wedding and then her husband claims all of her money back that he paid in the dowry (in those tribal areas Husband pays to bride's father instead of other way around).

She has to bleed on the first night of her wedding otherwise she gets divorced in the morning

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Thanks asim.probably ur talking about Pakistan in ur last post...

 

[dbc]

In some tribal cultures the wife is bedded with a cloth underneath. A bunch of elders wait outside while the couple does the deed (wait it gets sicker), and then the bloodied cloth is brought outside by the mother of the bride and shown to the elders as a sign of her chastity.

Sometimes when the hymen is broken off due to some other reason and the husband believes the wife, he will slit his finger drop a little blood and then put it out in the showcase outside for the elders.

So the idea is to let others know as well.

Its deep rooted in male behavior, some of these tribal cultures are a lot more primal and go by their raw emotions. Did I mention the girl would probably get shot if she had pre-marital sex?

Yes, I am familiar with some of the customs prevalent in these communities. I know of women who have gone to every extreme and yet remained a technical virgin. I know of others who have abstained but lost their virginity to a bicycle. Someone put things into perspective when they said "such an issue over some tissue"

 

[duhastmish]

darn it !!!! thats how i lost my virginity too ... it was that bloody god damn bike .


hhahahahahaha

 

[Awesome]

darn it !!!! thats how i lost my virginity too ... it was that bloody god damn bike .


hhahahahahaha

Haha don't go to the Parisian doc. You don't want to get sewed up in the wrong places

 

[Bang Galore]

Fidelity is about being faithful AFTER a vow. In the abstract, fidelity has nothing to do with sex but about being honorable to one's allegiance. If I swore an oath of allegiance before one flag, I have no business doing the same to another flag. Else I should make a public renunciation of my previous allegiance. So if you take a wife who is not a virgin at the time of the oath of allegiance to each other and if she remain faithful to you in the marriage, you have no cause to complain about her sexual experiences, even if she was a **** actress, prior to marriage.

Well said Sir!

The allegiance you speak of is between the woman and her god, not between she and you. But your concern is valid, that if she broke her vow to a deity, why should you, one is quite a nobody in the cosmic sense, matter any greater? The difference here is the consequence and WHEN said consequence will occur. To date, no one has ever returned from the afterlife to tell us what it look like, who is in charge there, and all the things we normally associate with civilization. For all we know, there is no afterlife.

But in this life, consequences do occur and usually for some reasons. For the female, the consequence for being a non-virgin at the time of marriage is death. That consequence was not defined by any deity but by humans who claimed to speak for said deity. In the possibility that there is no afterlife at all, does that mean these people spoke for nobody, hence the consequence, the worst punishment we can mete out to each other -- death, is really nothing more than the result of their petty jealousy hidden behind religion?

Even better put !

Whatever your beliefs it is important to remember not all women bleed the first time. The absence of blood is not conclusive, the only way to be really sure is to insist upon a OB/GYN examination before marriage. Not exactly a good way to start a life long partnership is it?

Only if you think of her as a partner and not a possession ! See the view below:

In Arabs , a boy pays to girls parents for her hand and she has to be virgin, no defected martial, another tribal tradition

I believe he meant no defective material and since the guy buys the girl she cannot be much of a equal partner, can she?

If they confessed in front of Qazi then Haad will be implemented , they should get 80 floggings each.

If they kept it secret between them , definately they will get punishment after death.There is no forgiveness for Zina in Islam.

I would advice them to keep it a secret. Why this unseemly hurry for punishment ?

For those worrying about punishment after death, please refer to Gambit's second post:

To date, no one has ever returned from the afterlife to tell us what it look like, who is in charge there, and all the things we normally associate with civilization

 

[duhastmish]

Haha don't go to the Parisian doc. You don't want to get sewed up in the wrong places

loool whats with parisian docs ? i never understood ....... are they really that faggot ?

lived in paris 6 for an year and realised parisian are really not that stinky , sexually dead and feminist

but - i tell u had some bad experience in india -

An indian copper actually asked me - if i can help him hook up with a girl or atleast male friend of mine wtf. looool . . .

BTW i dont think virgintiy is common these days and people care too much , actually most people would hate to go out with a virgin.