The Uyghur issue

[Hakan]

Maybe they converted millions of Han Chinese during that time period..

to what? Islam?

 

[[TR]AHMET]

Bro you dont calculate like that. The population in 1952 was 3.5 million and in 1961 it was 13 million according to the information you provided.

How ? Kaan, they write there they killed...


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Another video about Uyghur Turks.

They write under the video
"
1) Millions of people are forced to get abortion under the name of "Family Planning".
2) More than 45 nuclear tests and radioactivities had killed a large amount of people.
3) Several tens thousands of people were slaughtered for being claimed as "political criminals".
"

 

[haidian]

Next time when you want to make up some figures, try to be a little more logical..

 

[Hakan]

How ? Kaan, they write there they killed...


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Another video about Uyghur Turks.

They write under the video
"
1) Millions of people are forced to get abortion under the name of "Family Planning".
2) More than 45 nuclear tests and radioactivities had killed a large amount of people.
3) Several tens thousands of people were slaughtered for being claimed as "political criminals".
"

I will have to look into this.

 

[[TR]AHMET]

Next time when you want to make up some figures, try to be a little more logical..

I read it from lots of Turkish sources even from a book..... and as they write Chinese government spending big efforts for hide genocides and trues. So they have really strong lobies for hide genocide....
even i was save youtube links in my bookmarks and i saw they removed from youtube time by time...

Maybe not 35 million but you have killed millions people since you enter communism so many of them was muslim who killed by china because muslims people never accept being communist...

 

[k_arura]

İt is trully heartbraking to read this. That is why it was a shame for turkey to even consider Chinese hq9.

I find it highly interesting and intriguing that Pakistan will condemn actions one tenth of the gravity of this one in India and Kashmir but suddenly they freeze and their lips seal up! Why? Only they know but believe me I do as do so many around the world.

 

[Fattyacids]

The Uighurs were originally from Mongolia where they rebelled against the Göktürk rule and established their Khaganate in the 7th century together with the Karluk and Basmyl tribes. However the Khirgiz people from the Yenisei river invaded the Uyghur empire and destroyed their Khagante. Then the Uighurs moved from Mongolia to Xingnijang and mixed with the Indo-European Tocharians and the Iranic Sogdians creating the modern Uyghur people

When Uyghur moved into Xinjiang around 700 AD, there were no more Tocharians left, they were driven out by Xiongnu 2000 years ago.

Uyghur are 30-40% East Asian mix.

 

[haidian]

It's not a Muslim problems, China has other Muslim groups with the population way bigger than Uyghurs ,but they never have any problems . don't try to drag religion to Uyghur issues. It's simply not the case.

Hui Muslim is the biggest Muslim group in China, never has any problems . They freely practice their religion and their religion gets respected by all Chinese.

 

[Wholegrain]

How ? Kaan, they write there they killed...


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Another video about Uyghur Turks.

They write under the video
"
1) Millions of people are forced to get abortion under the name of "Family Planning".
2) More than 45 nuclear tests and radioactivities had killed a large amount of people.
3) Several tens thousands of people were slaughtered for being claimed as "political criminals".
"

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Ahmet, the Uyghur Second East Turkestan Republic was a Soviet Communist puppet state. The Uyghur separaist leader Ehmetjan Qasim was a Soviet Communist Party member and puppet of Stalin. They fought for the Soviets against China in the Ili Rebellion.

Second East Turkestan Republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ehmetjan Qasim - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ili Rebellion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rebiya Kadeer admitted that the Uyghurs were aided by the Soviet Communists, and she called the Russians their friends, praised their culture, and said that some Uyghurs said that the Russians were more advanced than the Uyghurs. This is in her own book. By the way, she does not mention or claim anything about genocide of millions of people.

Dragon Fighter: One Woman's Epic Struggle for Peace with China - Rebiya Kadeer - Google Books

"In order to help fulfill his dream of an independent Uyghur nation, my father reached for his gun....In July 1944, the Uyghurs... called for an independent republic...our leaders conducted meetings with the Chinese Central Government under Chiang Kai Shek while also secretly receiving weapons and counsel from the Soviet Union."

Dragon Fighter: One Woman's Epic Struggle for Peace with China - Rebiya Kadeer - Google Books

"In one county capital, there was even a Russian elementary school and a Russian consulate ... Some of our countrymen even believed that they had a more advanced culture than we did and sent their children to the Russian school.....We had many friends who were Russian nationals. My father even spoke Russian to the wolf-like dogs he had bought from Russians."

The Soviet Union supported Uyghur seperatist Communist groups like East Turkestan People's Revolutionary Party and United Revolutionary Front of East Turkestan.

Many Uyghur separatists were pro Soviet Communists, and worked for the Soviet Communist party in writing propaganda against China.

Xinjiang conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And these are the true population figures, there was no 35 million people killed. Think, if it were true, would Rebiya Kadeer herself not be constantly repeating this charge of genocide? None of these sources are Chinese, but western. The Uyghur population only grew within the past fifty years.

Community Matters in Xinjiang, 1880-1949: Towards a Historical Anthropology ... - Ildikó Bellér-Hann - Google Books

of Xinjiang, Toops gives an overall figure and the province population in 1941 of 3,730,000, of which 2,984,000 were Uyghur, 187,000 Han, 326,000 Kazakh, 92,000 Hui and 65,000 Kirghiz.46 For 1949, Hoppe estimates the total population to be 4,334,000

China's Geography: Globalization and the Dynamics of Political, Economic ... - Google Books

In the mid-1960s, there were about 4 million Uygur and 500,000 Kazaks. By 1982, the Uygur population had grown to almost 6 million, and Kazaks numbered over 900,000.

 

[Wholegrain]

I read it from lots of Turkish sources even from a book..... and as they write Chinese government spending big efforts for hide genocides and trues. So they have really strong lobies for hide genocide....
even i was save youtube links in my bookmarks and i saw they removed from youtube time by time...

Maybe not 35 million but you have killed millions people since you enter communism so many of them was muslim who killed by china because muslims people never accept being communist...

Does Rebiya Kadeer's book count as a Turk source? She writes nothing about millions of Uyghurs being killed, and admits that Uyghur separatist were supported by Soviet Communists, and that her family was friendly with Russians. And where is this China lobby? Lobby who? The west? Names of the lobbyists?

The "genocide" they refer to may be talking about Great Leap Foward, which had nothing to do with Uyghurs.

Great Leap Forward - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to your logic, Rebiya Kadeer's family are fake Muslims since they fought on the Soviet side against China, Ehmetjan Qasim is a fake Muslim since he was a puppet of Stalin and a Soviet Communist Party member, and the rest of the Uyghurs who participated in the Soviet puppet state Second East Turkestan Republic. Every Uyghur separatist who worked for the Soviet Union against China, is a fake Muslim then, because they were Communists too.

Some Uyghurs in Urumqi even give their children Russian names.

Situating the Uyghurs Between China and Central Asia - Google Books

By the way, Eastern Turkestan was a Russian invented name from the early 19th century, the rest of the west copied that name, and then Uyghur nationalists adopted the name later.

Situating the Uyghurs Between China and Central Asia - Google Books

The Uyghurs called their homeland in the Tarim Basin "Altishahr" which stands for the six most important oases in the Tarim. Alti means six in Turki and shahr means city. That is their native name. Not East Turkestan.

The Soviets supported Uyghur separatists against China in the 1960s and 1970s.

Xinjiang conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Soviet Union incited seperatist activities in Xinjiang through propaganda, encouraging Kazakhs to flee to the Soviet Union and attacking China. China responded by reinforcing the Xinjiang-Soviet border area specifically with Han Bingtuan militia and farmers.[4] The Soviets massively intensified their broadcasts inciting Uyghurs to revolt against the Chinese via Radio Tashkent since 1967 and directly harbored and supported seperatist guerilla fighters to attack the Chinese border, in 1966 the amount of Soviet sponsored seperatist attacks on China numbered 5,000.[5] The Soviets transmitted a radio broadcast from Radio Tashkent into Xinjiang on 14 May 1967, boasting of the fact that the Soviets had supported the Second East Turkestan Republic against China.[6]

The Soviet Union was involved in funding and support to the East Turkestan People's Revolutionary Party (ETPRP), the largest militant Uyghur separatist organization in its time, to start a violent uprising against China in 1968.[7][8][9][10][11] In the 1970s, the Soviets also supported the United Revolutionary Front of East Turkestan (URFET) to fight against the Chinese.[12]

The Soviet Union supported Uyghur nationalist propaganda and Uyghur seperatist movements against China. Soviet turcologists like D.I. Tikhonov wrote pro-independence works on Uyghur history and the Soviet supported Uyghur historian Tursun Rakhimov wrote more historical works supporting Uyghur independence and attacking the Chinese government, claiming that Xinjiang was an entity created by China made out of the different parts of East Turkestan and Zungharia.[13]These Soviet Uyghur historians were waging an "ideological war" against China, emphasizing the "national liberation movement" of Uyghurs throughout history.[14] The Soviet Communist Party supported the publication of works which glorified the Second East Turkestan Republic and the Ili Rebellion against China in its anti-China propaganda war.[15] Soviet propaganda writers wrote works claiming that Uyghurs lived better lives and were able to practice their culture only in Soviet Central Asia and not in Xinjiang.[16] In 1979 Soviet KGB agent Victor Louis wrote a thesis claiming that the Soviets should support a "war of liberation" against the "imperial" China to support Uighur, Tibetan, Mongol, and Manchu independence.[17][18]The Soviet KGB itself supported Uyghur separatists against China.[19]

Xinjiang's importance to China increased after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979, leading to China's perception of being encircled by the Soviets.[20] The China supported the Afghan mujahideen during the Soviet invasion, and broadcast reports of Soviet atrocities on Afghan Muslims to Uyghurs in order to counter Soviet propaganda broadcasts into Xinjiang.

China opened up camps to train the Afghan Mujahideen near Kashgar and Khotan and supplied them with hundreds of millions of dollars worth of small arms, rockets, mines, and anti-tank weapons.[21][22]"

 

[Wholegrain]

The First East Turkestan Republic was crushed by Hui Muslims, not by Communists.

Battle of Yarkand - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[usernameless]

The First East Turkestan Republic was crushed by Hui Muslims, not by Communists.

Battle of Yarkand - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How can the current situation be solved? It seems a portion of Uyghurs are not happy at all. How can future riots and killings be avoided?

It's not a Muslim problems, China has other Muslim groups with the population way bigger than Uyghurs ,but they never have any problems . don't try to drag religion to Uyghur issues. It's simply not the case.

Hui Muslim is the biggest Muslim group in China, never has any problems . They freely practice their religion and their religion gets respected by all Chinese.

It's not a religion issue per se, but rather an ethnic based issue. Uyghurs have another culture, another opinion about xinjiang etc. which are understandable. Hui muslims are, if im not wrong, (mostly) Han, so they will side with the Han govt naturally due ethnicity, not due religion.

 

[Wholegrain]

How can the current situation be solved? It seems a portion of Uyghurs are not happy at all. How can future riots and killings be avoided?


It's not a religion issue per se, but rather an ethnic based issue. Uyghurs have another culture, another opinion about xinjiang etc. which are understandable. Hui muslims are, if im not wrong, (mostly) Han, so they will side with the Han govt naturally due ethnicity, not due religion.

Most of the violence stems from areas suffering poverty and lack of jobs. The west end of the Tarim Basin around Kashgar-Khotan is where most Uyghurs live and it has the worst prefectures in GDP. The Tarim Basin region (southern Xiniiang) is 90% Uyghur

China is trying to create a new economic development zone around the Kashgar area and increase trade with neighboring countries like Afghanistan, Tajikistan etc., but Afghanistan must be stabilized too.

Northern Xinjiang (Dzungaria) used to be home to the Zunghar Khanate, a Dzungar Oirat Mongol Buddhist state. That is why the region is named after them. All the Han, Uyghur, and Kazakhs, were moved in to that region after the defeat and massacres of the Dzungar Oirats in 1759 century, none of them are native to that place.

I posted on that here.

The Truth about Uyghur demographics and Han immigration in Xinjiang

China focused development on northern Xinjiang for the past 60 years, moving Han there and building up industry, because of the Soviet threat and its strategic importance, while it ignored the development of the Tarim Basin (southern Xinjiang) which is why it has so little GDP today.

As a result, the reason many migrants Uyghurs can be easily recruited by criminal gangs , is because they had no jobs in the tarim Basin (southern xinjiang) and were poor, so they migrate to Northern Xinjiang or eastern Chinese cities where some gangs employ them to be pickpockets, and this is how many people got bad views of Uyghurs.

The Han migration to northern Xinjiang is not aimed at destroying Uyghur culture or their presence in their own land, because their land is Southern Xinjiang (the Tarim Basin), the north is former Dzungar land, and the majority of Uyghurs do not live in northern Xinjiang, most of them live in the south in their home.

But it had an indirect effect of their economic status, in that China diverted millions in developing the north and negelected to develop the south to bring up the economy and living standards in the area.

The government realized this mistake and they started setting up the economic zone in Kashgar in 2010.

Some Uyghurs may genuinely be mistaken about northern Xinjiang and actually many Han people don't know that the Oirat Mongols are the natives there. China could declare the north a Mongol autonomous area and increase the Oirat Mongol population, invite Oirat Kalmyks back from Russia so neither Han or Uyghur getsmangry about losing the area to each other, but again most people in China don't know the history.

Kalmyk Oirat Mongols in Russia, are descended from Oirat Mongols who fled from Northern Xinjiang 400 years ago.

 

[usernameless]

Most of the violence stems from areas suffering poverty and lack of jobs. The west end of the Tarim Basin around Kashgar-Khotan is where most Uyghurs live and it has the worst prefectures in GDP. The Tarim Basin region (southern Xiniiang) is 90% Uyghur

China is trying to create a new economic development zone around the Kashgar area and increase trade with neighboring countries like Afghanistan, Tajikistan etc., but Afghanistan must be stabilized too.

Northern Xinjiang (Dzungaria) used to be home to the Zunghar Khanate, a Dzungar Oirat Mongol Buddhist state. That is why the region is named after them. All the Han, Uyghur, and Kazakhs, were moved in to that region after the defeat and massacres of the Dzungar Oirats in 1759 century, none of them are native to that place.

I posted on that here.

The Truth about Uyghur demographics and Han immigration in Xinjiang

China focused development on northern Xinjiang for the past 60 years, moving Han there and building up industry, because of the Soviet threat and its strategic importance, while it ignored the development of the Tarim Basin (southern Xinjiang) which is why it has so little GDP today.

As a result, the reason many migrants Uyghurs can be easily recruited by criminal gangs , is because they had no jobs in the tarim Basin (southern xinjiang) and were poor, so they migrate to Northern Xinjiang or eastern Chinese cities where some gangs employ them to be pickpockets, and this is how many people got bad views of Uyghurs.

The Han migration to northern Xinjiang is not aimed at destroying Uyghur culture or their presence in their own land, because their land is Southern Xinjiang (the Tarim Basin), the north is former Dzungar land, and the majority of Uyghurs do not live in northern Xinjiang, most of them live in the south in their home.

But it had an indirect effect of their economic status, in that China diverted millions in developing the north and negelected to develop the south to bring up the economy and living standards in the area.

The government realized this mistake and they started setting up the economic zone in Kashgar in 2010.

Some Uyghurs may genuinely be mistaken about northern Xinjiang and actually many Han people don't know that the Oirat Mongols are the natives there. China could declare the north a Mongol autonomous area and increase the Oirat Mongol population, invite Oirat Kalmyks back from Russia so neither Han or Uyghur getsmangry about losing the area to each other, but again most people in China don't know the history.

I didn't ask for history classes
You say, economy is the problem. I say that's a part of the problem. If China could improve the living standards there plus provide whatever cultural rights Uyghurs are seeking (and i prefer an independent voice for the Uyghurs, not one that is overruled by authoritarian CCP, but that's my wish), then im sure most of the problems will be over too.

 

[haidian]

Ethnic problems will never go away ,not in China, not in Turkey. so please say something that you truly believe.