The US State Department has slashed India’s request for Javelin.

[Abingdonboy]

I believe you meant 'won't', correct?

Well, it's a double cross since it is a completely different set of terms to what they put out as their foreign policy


We won the won in 1948, defended our territory in 1965 and gave the land to our brothers in 1971. No victory for India there

Oh God is that what they teach you? If so if you ever leave Pakistan you are in for a shock. God only knows what other lies you have been taught throu misinformation, propaganda and straight up lies.


+ why are you getting your undergarments in a twist about this deal? Not only is this news purely from one source and not backed by any other source but even if true it makes no difference to most here or the IA. The IA can just go for the Spike- no sweat off their back.

 

[truthseer]

Oh God is that what they teach you? If so if you ever leave Pakistan you are in for a shock. God only knows what other lies you have been taught throu misinformation, propaganda and straight up lies.


+ why are you getting your undergarments in a twist about this deal? Not only is this news purely from one source and not backed by any other source but even if true it makes no difference to most here or the IA. The IA can just go for the Spike- no sweat off their back.

Frankly speakin, I've spent most of my life outside Pakistan so your point is moot

 

[Abingdonboy]

Frankly speakin, I've spent most of my life outside Pakistan so your point is moot

Well then you should know better. Your interpretation of history is way off the rest of the world's.

 

[truthseer]

Well then you should know better. Your interpretation of history is way off the rest of the world's.

Just because it does not match up with the rest of the world's interpretation does not mean it is wrong. After all, Einstein's explanation for the photo electric effect and Planck's explanation for Black Body radiation were also different from the rest of the world's

 

[Abingdonboy]

Just because it does not match up with the rest of the world's interpretation does not mean it is wrong. After all, Einstein's explanation for the photo electric effect and Planck's explanation for Black Body radiation were also different from the rest of the world's

Yes but historical interpretation isn't a science. If everyone is saying one thing and you are saying something else the chances are YOU ARE WRONG. Almost every objective and indepentdant historical account contradicts your view completely.

 

[truthseer]

Yes but historical interpretation isn't a science. If everyone is saying one thing and you are saying something else the chances are YOU ARE WRONG. Almost every objective and indepentdant historical account contradicts your view completely.

Yet, you use the word 'almost'. However, I will say that in History, there is no absolute right or wrong and it is written by the winner. All views of history can be seen as equally correct as long as they do not ignore established facts. Kind of the same as what Einstein proposes for inertial frames. They can all be seen as equivalent provided that the laws are obeyed in all frames.

 

[humanfirst]

We won the won in 1948, defended our territory in 1965 and gave the land to our brothers in 1971. No victory for India there

1948-You didn't gain a single inch after indian army got involved.In fact you were pushed back after indian army took over the fight from weak maharaja's soldiers.We have more of Kashmir than U.How come this is your victory?
1965=Started the war with operation Gibralter to capture kashmir and ended up defending lahore.
1971=Complete surrender to indian forces by Gen Niazi..Also we captures some 10000 km sq of west pakistan.(which were lated given back as a good will gesture under simla accord)

And you were saying:

see US realising that arming India against Pakistan is futile as one Pakistani soldier can defeat 50 Indian Tanks

 

[truthseer]

1948-You didn't gain a single inch after indian army got involved.In fact you were pushed back after indian army took over the fight from weak maharaja's soldiers.We have more of Kashmir than U.How come this is your victory?

We didn't own an inch of Kashmir before the war. How is this a loss?

1965=Started the war with operation Gibralter to capture kashmir and ended up defending lahore.

Successfully, mind you. We handed land back in the Tashkent declaration as a sign of PEACE!

1971=Complete surrender to indian forces by Gen Niazi..Also we captures some 1000 km sq of west pakistan.

Our Bangladeshi brothers needed independence.

And you were saying:

I stand by it!

 

[Abingdonboy]

Yet, you use the word 'almost'. However, I will say that in History, there is no absolute right or wrong and it is written by the winner. All views of history can be seen as equally correct as long as they do not ignore established facts. Kind of the same as what Einstein proposes for inertial frames. They can all be seen as equivalent provided that the laws are obeyed in all frames.

There is a reason I used "almost"- like you said history is not black or white and their will always be those nuts who believe in conspiracies or don't accept the established version of history. That is all I will say. You personally have derailed this thread and I no longer want to be complicit.

 

[truthseer]

There is a reason I used "almost"- like you said history is not black or white and their will always be those nuts who believe in conspiracies or don't accept the established version of history. That is all I will say. You personally have derailed this thread and I no longer want to be complicit.

Established version does not mean it is true.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Ignore the lost soul yaar . Carry on with the discussion if there is something even left to discuss .

 

[humanfirst]

We didn't own an inch of Kashmir before the war. How is this a loss?

We didn't either..After indian army got involved,pakistan was only pushed further back from the areas it previously gained from weak maharaja's soldiers.And we hold more of kashmir now.So who were stronger?

Successfully, mind you. We handed land back in the Tashkent declaration as a sign of PEACE!

Starting a war to capture Kashmir and ending up defending lahore doesn't fare well with your fairy tale world of 1 pakistani=50 indians..

Our Bangladeshi brothers needed independence.

It doesn't change the fact that you lost land to indian forces in east and west pakistan,ultimately surrendering..

I stand by it!

lol..

 

[trinity]

Javelin is an ANTI-TANK missile. Use your brains once in a while. Tank warfare is for the plains region. Meaning Pak focussed. There are enough BrahMos present in Arunachal Pradesh to take care of your air-fields. And if you really believe that the BrahMos is 300 kms...best of luck. Look at its deployment and then guess the actual range. All your talks about Chinese air supremacy is exactly what it is...in the air. So stop derailing threads with your China supremacy. Again I remind you, Arunachal Pradesh. Dalai Lama. Tibetan supporters. Tibetan government in exile. Nothing China can do except keep crying 'core interest' 'core interest'.

Let them think what they will.......after their planes do their magic.....they will send in their tanks, jeeps, tankers, etc. When they do are Army should move to incorporate rapid, small response teams to take out as mnay vehicles as we can. Learn tactics fom the Maoists and Viet Cong to defeat bigger, well prepared enemy. i love the way both ambush and plant IEDs....the Viet tunnels is incredible in a long drawn out conflict.....notes should be taken and used

 

[Harisudan]

We don't need them..If the Yanks need our Dollars then let them give the full consignment..If not let them wait for ten more years to get a piece of our pie..

 

[Koovie]

false alarm guys, Panetta stated that these reports are WRONG ! so no cut in numbers