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The US must avoid war with China over Taiwan at all costs

I don't think any side in this actually wants war. That's why the red lines established by the One China policy and the 1992 consensus between both sides have been very important. If the US and the DPP want to arbitrarily change challenge these red lines to troll China, there will be grave consequences and it would be a very foolish decision.
They will keep on challenging One China Policy (I actually read it as One Child Policy and confused myself for a couple of seconds) but won't break it. Much like the shaping phase of bread making, you need to build enough dough strength without tearing it in order to make a beautiful bread. :)
 
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They will keep on challenge One China Policy (I actually read it as One Child Policy and confused myself for a couple of seconds) but won't break it. Much like the shaping phase of bread making, you need to build enough dough strength without tearing it in order to make a beautiful bread. :)

Yes, because its obviously a sore point that the US can use to harass or annoy China so of course it will be poked at. In the end though, the consequences are bad for everyone so I think we will get to the edge but not jump.
 
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Yes, because its obviously a sore point that the US can use to harass or annoy China so of course it will be poked at. In the end though, the consequences are bad for everyone so I think we will get to the edge but not jump.
Not necessarily for Americans. Keeping the tension up will keep Taiwan vigilant so it won't just surrender to China and so it could mount a decent fight, should China attack. In another word, no matter what happens, US is in a better position than not poking at it.
 
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The US must avoid war with China over Taiwan at all costs

Lt Col Daniel L Davis (ret)
Tue, October 5, 2021, 6:18 AM


<span>Photograph: Taiwan Ministry Of National Defense/EPA</span>

Photograph: Taiwan Ministry Of National Defense/EPA
Since last Friday, the People’s Republic of China has launched a total of 155 warplanes – the most ever over four consecutive days – into Taiwan’s Air Defense Identification Zone; Ned Price said the state department was “very concerned”. There have been more than 500 such flights through nine months this year, as opposed to 300 all of last year.
Before war comes to the Indo-Pacific and Washington faces pressure to fight a potentially existential war, American policymakers must face the cold, hard reality that fighting China over Taiwan risks an almost-certain military defeat – and gambles we won’t stumble into a nuclear war.
Bluntly put, America should refuse to be drawn into a no-win war with Beijing. It needs to be said up front: there would be no palatable choice for Washington if China finally makes good on its decades-long threat to take Taiwan by force. Either choose a bad, bitter-tasting outcome or a self-destructive one in which our existence is put at risk.
The prevailing mood in Washington among officials and opinion leaders is to fight if China attempts to conquer Taiwan by force. In a speech at the Center for Strategic Studies last Friday, the deputy secretary of defense, Kathleen Hicks, said that if Beijing invades Taiwan, “we have a significant amount of capability forward in the region to tamp down any such potential”.

Either Hicks is unaware of how little wartime capacity we actually have forward deployed in the Indo-Pacific or she’s unaware of how significant China’s capacity is off its shores, but whichever the case, we are in no way guaranteed to “tamp down” a Chinese invasion of Taiwan.
Earlier this year, Senator Rick Scott and Representative Guy Reschenthaler introduced the Taiwan Invasion Prevention Act which, Representative Reschenthaler said, would authorize “the president to use military force to defend Taiwan against a direct attack”. In the event of an actual attack, there would be enormous pressure to fast-track such a bill to authorize Biden to act. We must resist this temptation.
As I have previously detailed, there is no rational scenario in which the United States could end up in a better, more secure place after a war with China. The best that could be hoped for would be a pyrrhic victory in which we are saddled with becoming the permanent defense force for Taiwan (costing us hundreds of billions a year and the equally permanent requirement to be ready for the inevitable Chinese counter-attack).
The most likely outcome would be a conventional defeat of our forces in which China ultimately succeeds, despite our intervention – at the cost of large numbers of our jets being shot down, ships being sunk, and thousands of our service personnel killed. But the worst case is a conventional war spirals out of control and escalates into a nuclear exchange.
That leaves as the best option something most Americans find unsatisfying: refuse to engage in direct combat against China on behalf of Taiwan. Doing so will allow the United States to emerge on the other side of a China/Taiwan war with our global military and economic power intact.

That’s not to suggest we stand passively aside and let China run over Taiwan with impunity. The most effective course of action for Washington would be to condemn China in the strongest possible terms, lead a global movement that will enact crippling sanctions against Beijing, and make them an international pariah. China’s pain wouldn’t be limited to economics, however.
It would take Beijing decades to overcome the losses incurred from a war to take Taiwan, even if Beijing triumphs. The United States and our western allies, on the other hand, would remain at full military power, dominate the international business markets, and have the moral high ground to keep China hemmed in like nothing that presently exists. Xi would be seen as an unquestioned aggressor, even by other Asian regimes, and the fallout against China could knock them back decades. Our security would be vastly improved from what it is today – and incalculably higher than if we foolishly tried to fight a war with China.
Publicly, Washington should continue to embrace strategic ambiguity but privately convey to Taiwanese leaders that we will not fight a war with China. That would greatly incentivize Taipei to make whatever political moves and engage in any negotiation necessary to ensure the perpetuation of the status quo. The blunt, hard reality is that a Taiwan maintaining the status quo is far better than a smoldering wreck of an island conquered by Beijing.
The only way the US could have our security harmed would be to allow ourselves to be drawn into a war we’re likely to lose over an issue peripheral to US security. In the event China takes Taiwan by force, Washington should stay out of the fray and lead a global effort to ostracize China, helping ensure our security will be strengthened for a generation to come.
  • Daniel L Davis is a senior fellow for defense priorities and a former lieutenant colonel in the US army who deployed into combat zones four times. He is the author of The Eleventh Hour in 2020 America
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F-22Raptor said:
Facts are difficult to accept for you

@F-22Raptor - are you going to accept the above facts presented by your retired Lt Col?
 
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What facts? It is merely his opinion, to which he is of course entitled.

Facts (aka opinions) presented by @F-22Raptor versus Facts (aka opinions) presented by Retired Lt Col.

Don't poke your nose in a conversation you have no knowledge of ..
 
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Facts (aka opinions) presented by Retired Lt Col.

Please do enlighten me what "facts" exactly have been presented by the retired colonel in the OP of this thread. Thanks.
 
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F-22Raptor said:
Facts are difficult to accept for you

@F-22Raptor - are you going to accept the above facts presented by your retired Lt Col?

Wait, what facts? That we are in China's backyard and there is a possibility of us losing in SCS? Do you realize that the article addresses a conventional war against China to thwart an evasion of Taiwan, which is 110 miles away? That's almost like an hour and a half drive through a car. That's the only implication there that no matter how much firepower we put there, the close vicinity will make it difficult for foreign forces to stop the assault but the Chinese would have to calculate the cost for losing it's rising power status.

There is no military to military comparison between the US and China in a real war. Nor China is able to fight one worldwide. SCS is it's backyard and that's a different story.
 
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Stupid Americans are barking without understanding the context ...

F-22Raptor said: (and claimed below to be facts!)
China doesn’t have the capability or will power to invade Taiwan. China will be utterly and completely destroyed both economically and militarily. The CCP knows that, which is why you only hear lip service and hot air.
 
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Eurasia destruction is always good news to twisted Americans.

Cheap energy is running out.
 
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Stupid Americans are barking without understanding the context ...

F-22Raptor said: (and claimed below to be facts!)
China doesn’t have the capability or will power to invade Taiwan. China will be utterly and completely destroyed both economically and militarily. The CCP knows that, which is why you only hear lip service and hot air.

The only yapping in this thread is just claiming opinions as facts. People should learn the difference first.
 
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A dig at a stupid american who presented his opinion as facts results in other stupid americans jumping in. Orgy of stupid americans!
 
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Wait, what facts? That we are in China's backyard and there is a possibility of us losing in SCS? Do you realize that the article addresses a conventional war against China to thwart an evasion of Taiwan, which is 110 miles away? That's almost like an hour and a half drive through a car. That's the only implication there that no matter how much firepower we put there, the close vicinity will make it difficult for foreign forces to stop the assault but the Chinese would have to calculate the cost for losing it's rising power status.

There is no military to military comparison between the US and China in a real war. Nor China is able to fight one worldwide. SCS is it's backyard and that's a different story.

There will be no war, the risk factor for both the sides is simply too great, this is no Iraq or Afghanistan, if China potentially loses the rising power status than the US can equally loose the super power status.

And just FYI according to many military analyst China is already a risen power.
 
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A dig at a stupid american who presented his opinion as facts results in other stupid americans jumping in. Orgy of stupid americans!

What about the courage to quote my posts when trying to take a dig? :D

Posting a quote attributed to some other member without posting a link or context is simply dishonest.
Stupid Americans are barking without understanding the context ...

F-22Raptor said: (and claimed below to be facts!)
China doesn’t have the capability or will power to invade Taiwan. China will be utterly and completely destroyed both economically and militarily. The CCP knows that, which is why you only hear lip service and hot air.

This is the post:

China doesn’t have the capability or will power to invade Taiwan. China will be utterly and completely destroyed both economically and militarily. The CCP knows that, which is why you only hear lip service and hot air.

Where is it claimed that the above are facts?
 
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Europe is in a perfect position, wait and watch how china and US attack each other and then profit
 
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