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[Levina]

No. China has no influence on our engagement with Pakistan, in fact, Pakistan and Japan have relations that stretch over 70 years. In fact, it was Pakistan to first establish diplomatic relations with Japan post-war. There have been thousands upon thousands of initiatives between Japan and Pakistan over the years, and the fact that there is a considerable number of Pakistanis and Japanese of Pakistani origin that live in Japan --- is testament of this relationship , bond that Japan had with Pakistan.

I should also say that perceptions are never stagnant or constant; perceptions are influenced by the challenges of the times. Relationship between Japan and Pakistan will withstand and outlive any problems caused by terrorists. And I am sure that as Pakistan stabilizes , perception of Pakistan will only increase. That's usually the case.




Let's bring it into perspective. Japan and Pakistan have had relations even before there was a 'People's Republic of China'. That's how deep our relations go.

Yes, I know Japan considered Pakistan a " tower of strength".
The only time when Japan-Pak's relationship hit rock bottom was during the '71 war...or so I think.
As I said earlier that I assumed China to be one of the reasons why Japan preferred India over Pakistan.
The ‘arc of security and freedom’ floated in 2006 in cooperation with India and Australia was a leap forward to India in the shape of civil nuclear cooperation; India got concessions for the supply of nuclear plants and parts at the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) in 2008, which might not have gone down well with Pakistan. These developments introduced a paradigm shift in Pakistan-Japan relations. Just my humble opinion!!

 

[Aepsilons]

What ?

Are you telling me that I - a Pure Blooded Wizard and @levina apa - a Half-Blood Princesses, are equal in your eyes ?

I am a direct descendant of Salazar Slytherin and am also Godric Gryffindor's great-great....great cousin twice removed !

Comparing me with someone who's only half magical - I've never been so let down in my life !

I mean granted that @levina apa is better at Quidditch than I am but is it my fault that no one played football at Hogwarts ?

And @levina apa its 'football' and not 'soccer' so don't call it as such !

lol, i tell you, you're very well read, and have a blessed creative thinking mind, bhai jaan @Armstrong !!

you impress me , all the time.

 

[Levina]

This bond would be even deeper if you guys could make Tikka flavored Sushi !

'Cause the closest way to a Pakistani's heart is through tantalizing food !

Reminds me of my sushi experience recently. Being a vegetarian I could not eat sushi, so the chef recommended (cooked) sushi with rice. Needless to say I ate only the rice. But I must say they present it too well. I would have posted the pics, but it would be off topic here.

What ?

Are you telling me that I - a Pure Blooded Wizard and @levina apa - a Half-Blood Princesses, are equal in your eyes ?

I am a direct descendant of Salazar Slytherin and am also Godric Gryffindor's great-great....great cousin twice removed !

Comparing me with someone who's only half magical - I've never been so let down in my life !

I mean granted that @levina apa is better at Quidditch than I am but is it my fault that no one played football at Hogwarts ?

And @levina apa its 'football' and not 'soccer' so don't call it as such !

@Armstrong remember my last voice recording???
Next time I will record some "blessed words" and send it across.

 

[Aepsilons]

Yes, I know Japan considered Pakistan a " tower of strength".
The only time when Japan-Pak's relationship hit rock bottom was during the '71 war...or so I think.
As I said earlier that I assumed China to be one of the reasons why Japan preferred India over Pakistan.
The ‘arc of security and freedom’ floated in 2006 in cooperation with India and Australia was a leap forward to India in the shape of civil nuclear cooperation; India got concessions for the supply of nuclear plants and parts at the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) in 2008, which might not have gone down well with Pakistan. These developments introduced a paradigm shift in Pakistan-Japan relations. Just my humble opinion!!

Japan, as a non-nuclear member, and as a nation that detests nuclear weapons programs (being the only country in the history of the world to ever have been struck with devastating nuclear bombs ; one in Nagasaki and Hiroshima --- which resulted in over 300,000 innocent Japanese deaths; a result of the actual blast and nuclear fallout) we do not condone nuclear weapon propagation as it only destabilizes the region, the world. In fact, that is one thing that we did not agree with in both Pakistan and India. Nuclear weapons propagation proves and acts as a deterrent by those who believe in nuclear strategic policy, but for me and for many other intellectuals in this area --- the consequences of a bad scenario is a nightmare of epic proportions. We are not dealing with atom bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki some 70 years ago, we are dealing with far more advanced nuclear technology such as thermonuclear warheads, with the capacity and capability to liquidate , to glass area that are in the thousands of square kilometers. We are talking about , in an event of a war scenario, the extermination of entire nations.

 

[xenon54 out]

I am a direct descendant of Salazar Slytherin and am also Godric Gryffindor's great-great....great cousin twice removed !

Are you HP fan? I always thought it was a childish movie till i gave it a shot, well after 3rd or 4th movie its isnt childish anymore, it even gets dark from 6th one on. Gotta admit, its a well made movie series.

 

[Bang Ding Ow]

Now I would like to , as a professional , try to attempt to elucidate the Japanese view of Pakistan. The poll posted here in this thread is asking about the 'view' of Pakistan and does not specify the reasons or factors that may affect their view, which is probably unfair. I would say that the negative image or negative perception of Pakistan is due in part to the activity of terrorist groups such as TPP, and many others that are trying to dampen the Pakistan Government's control in the country and affect the law and order of the country.

On general, and on consensus, I think that the Japanese people have so much respect for the Pakistani People, as per our two nations' long and friendly history of strategic partnership. The people to people relationship is not a problem, the problem is the instability that is seen in Pakistan due to these terrorist groups that are affecting the lives of almost 200 million Pakistanis , as well as their antagonism towards foreigners. For example, I have discussed this issue with some of my Pakistani buddies here in the USA, and one thing that i was astounded to hear was that there were even members of the Pakistani Taliban who were targetting the Red Crescent , Red Cross and international medical organizations from giving medical vaccines because apparently these terrorists think that the vaccines is some kind of western plot to control the minds of the people. How asinine is that? My friend Adeel, a Pakistani guy, even told me this and we both agree that that kind of mentality needs to change in the great nation of Pakistan.

So, again, there is no negative view of Pakistani people, but there is definite concern on the stability issue that is being affected by terrorist organizations that affect the Pakistani people themselves as well as the opinion of the partners of Pakistan, such as Japan. We Japanese, of course, want Pakistan, our long time friend and strategic partner, to stabilize and to destroy these radical groups , and to encourage greater economic development as well as greater people to people exposure between Pakistan and Japan. Definitely ! Definitely!

BS. Japanese hate Pakistanis because they are crazy Islamists. What history of "long and friendly strategic partnership"? There's no substance to your claims, only emotion.

 

[Aepsilons]

Are you HP fan? I always thought it was a childish movie till i gave it a shot, well after 3rd or 4th movie its isnt childish anymore, it even gets dark from 6th one on. Gotta admit, its a well made movie series.

LOL !!

BS. Japanese hate Pakistanis because they are crazy Islamists. What history of "long and friendly strategic partnership"? There's no substance to your claims, only emotion.

Well, Mr. Bang Ding Ow (is that even a name?!) , lol, i think you wouldn't understand anyways.

Take care now Mr. Bang Ding Ow.

 

[Spectre]

Yes, I know Japan considered Pakistan a " tower of strength".
The only time when Japan-Pak's relationship hit rock bottom was during the '71 war...or so I think.
As I said earlier that I assumed China to be one of the reasons why Japan preferred India over Pakistan.
The ‘arc of security and freedom’ floated in 2006 in cooperation with India and Australia was a leap forward to India in the shape of civil nuclear cooperation; India got concessions for the supply of nuclear plants and parts at the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) in 2008, which might not have gone down well with Pakistan. These developments introduced a paradigm shift in Pakistan-Japan relations. Just my humble opinion!!

In cold hard world of geo-political alliances, divergence between interests of Japan and Pakistan are gonna increase. @Nihonjin1051 might disagree with me but sometimes we are not given a choice, these things are inevitable.

India is going to slowly move away from Russian sphere of influence as Russia becomes less relevant. The effect of sanctions on Russia and ego-centric and unpredictable leadership of Putin has mandarins in MEA deeply uncomfortable.

The recent developments in SCO is India stalling for a decade or so but a time would come when India has to directly compete with China for resources and that competition will not be pretty, Both India and China have a billion plus population and as aspirations grow there will come a point when both will work actively to secure their own interests which would be in conflict with each other.

What Japan is actively doing now - seeking allies against China, India will have to do that in coming years and this is where our interests have started to align with Japan and USA.

Pakistan due to it's anti India position will obviously be a useful tool in Chinese arsenal and hence China would nurture it economically and militarily to keep India in check.

2015-2020 are just opening moves in this game.

 

[Aepsilons]

In cold hard world of geo-political alliances, divergence between interests of Japan and Pakistan are gonna increase. @Nihonjin1051 might disagree with me but sometimes we are not given a choice, these things are inevitable.

India is going to slowly move away from Russian sphere of influence as Russia becomes less relevant. The effect of sanctions on Russia and ego-centric and unpredictable leadership of Putin has mandarins in MEA deeply uncomfortable.

The recent developments in SCO is India stalling for a decade or so but a time would come when India has to directly compete with China for resources and that competition will not be pretty, Both India and China have a billion plus population and as aspirations grow there will come a point when both will work actively to secure their own interests which would be in conflict with each other.

What Japan is actively doing now - seeking allies against China, India will have to do that in coming years and this is where our interests have started to align with Japan and USA.

Pakistan due to it's anti India position will obviously be a useful too in Chinese arsenal and hence China would nurture it economically and militarily to keep India in check.

2015-2020 are just opening moves in this game.

A very interesting analysis, my friend.

 

[Armstrong]

Are you HP fan? I always thought it was a childish movie till i gave it a shot, well after 3rd or 4th movie its isnt childish anymore, it even gets dark from 6th one on. Gotta admit, its a well made movie series.

Am I a HP fan ?

I practically lived through that world during some of my dreams !

That is when I wasn't off fighting Orcs in Lord of the Rings in some other dream !

 

[Spectre]

A very interesting analysis, my friend.

I didn't go into China-Japan relationship. There are few things which I would like to discuss with you there in detail.

May be some other time.

 

[Bang Ding Ow]

Well, Mr. Bang Ding Ow (is that even a name?!) , lol, i think you wouldn't understand anyways.

Take care now Mr. Bang Ding Ow.

Lame attempt at humor. You know I was right.

 

[Aepsilons]

I didn't go into China-Japan relationship. There are few things which I would like to discuss with you there in detail.

May be some other time.

I would love to discourse with you on that subject, my friend.

Lame attempt at humor. You know I was right.

I wasn't trying to be funny, Bang-chan.

 

[Spectre]

Am I a HP fan ?

I practically lived through that world during some of my dreams !

That is when I wasn't off fighting Orcs in Lord of the Rings in some other dream !

Fantastic Beasts movie is coming - Exited for that? JK Rowling has a huge input in it.

Btw I suggest you check out https://www.pottermore.com/en/jkr-writing

She regularly posts new HP stories

 

[yoshi.oda]

If i am to guess why there is such apprehension, it would probably be due to the negative media images seen in various international media sources like CNN, BBC, FOX, MSNBC, CNBC, NBC --- which usually portray Pakistan with problems with terrorists affecting the development of the country.

Now I would like to , as a professional , try to attempt to elucidate the Japanese view of Pakistan. The poll posted here in this thread is asking about the 'view' of Pakistan and does not specify the reasons or factors that may affect their view, which is probably unfair. I would say that the negative image or negative perception of Pakistan is due in part to the activity of terrorist groups such as TPP, and many others that are trying to dampen the Pakistan Government's control in the country and affect the law and order of the country.

On general, and on consensus, I think that the Japanese people have so much respect for the Pakistani People, as per our two nations' long and friendly history of strategic partnership. The people to people relationship is not a problem, the problem is the instability that is seen in Pakistan due to these terrorist groups that are affecting the lives of almost 200 million Pakistanis , as well as their antagonism towards foreigners. For example, I have discussed this issue with some of my Pakistani buddies here in the USA, and one thing that i was astounded to hear was that there were even members of the Pakistani Taliban who were targetting the Red Crescent , Red Cross and international medical organizations from giving medical vaccines because apparently these terrorists think that the vaccines is some kind of western plot to control the minds of the people. How asinine is that? My friend Adeel, a Pakistani guy, even told me this and we both agree that that kind of mentality needs to change in the great nation of Pakistan.

So, again, there is no negative view of Pakistani people, but there is definite concern on the stability issue that is being affected by terrorist organizations that affect the Pakistani people themselves as well as the opinion of the partners of Pakistan, such as Japan. We Japanese, of course, want Pakistan, our long time friend and strategic partner, to stabilize and to destroy these radical groups , and to encourage greater economic development as well as greater people to people exposure between Pakistan and Japan. Definitely ! Definitely!




hahahaha, what? seriously? you're being emotional again, my dear brother. Should i tackle you ?

Your opinion in Chinese meddling of Japan relation with Pakistan? The Chinese have a hold on Pakistan.