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A Vietnamese naval soldier stands guard at Thuyen Chai island in the Spratly archipelago
Jan. 17, 2013. Quang Le/Reuters

By Patrick Winn, GlobalPost
Posted: 12/28/15, 6:00 PM PST | Updated: 3 hrs ago

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BANGKOK, Thailand — The Vietnam People’s Navy — a wing of the communist party — is now cleared by the White House to cruise the seas with American guns.

The White House partially nixed its longstanding embargo on lethal arms sales to Vietnam last year. So far, there’s a major caveat: the weapons must be used for “maritime-related” defense. But some officials are pushing to kill the ban completely.

US defense companies, with Washington’s blessing, have been wooing the Vietnamese government for months. Now Washington itself is beefing up Vietnam’s military. The US announced last month it would pour $119 million towards modernizing naval forces across Southeast Asia this financial year, with just under $20 million of that going toward boosting Vietnam’s intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance capabilities at sea.


To American GIs during the Vietnam War, supplying communist forces would have been unimaginable. Today, the idea isn’t so shocking. The armed forces of the US and Vietnam are growing closer than ever thanks to a common goal: thwarting China’s dominance in the hotly contested South China Sea.

But lifting the weapons ban against Vietnam is nevertheless a historical marker. With few exceptions, America hasn’t provided weapons to a communist nation since World War II, when the US armed the Soviet Union in its fight against Nazi Germany.


It’s doubly remarkable that this US-Vietnam military alliance is being forged in the South China Sea. This is where, in the Gulf of Tonkin, communist forces were falsely accused of firing on a US vessel in 1964. That act of “open aggression on the high seas,” as President Lyndon B. Johnson put it, was used as justification to commence horrific, all-out war with the North Vietnamese.

Much has shifted in five decades. The US and Vietnam now accuse a different nation of open aggression: China, which is busy militarizing tiny islands and insisting that almost all of the South China Sea is its vast aquatic territory.

Other Southeast Asian nations also claim parts of the sea. But only Vietnam has the military power to threaten China’s ambitions.

Change has also come to Vietnam’s leadership. The nation’s top political echelon still openly reveres Marxist-Leninist thought. But they have long ditched revolutionary, anti-imperialist communism. The leadership now favors a brand of capitalism dominated by government-owned industries.

Though the hammer-and-sickle flags still wave over Hanoi, Vietnam is best understood as a one-party authoritarian state. In that sense, it’s no different from the unelected regimes that America’s military embraces around the world. Think Thailand, Turkmenistan or Saudi Arabia.

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Outside of Vietnam, there are only a few communist nations in existence: China, Cuba, Laos and North Korea. All four are forbidden by the US from buying American weapons.

The major exception to America’s long-running ban on arms sales to communist forces was in the 1980s. Then-President Ronald Reagan may be remembered as a diehard anti-communist. But he approved the sale of torpedoes and tanks to communist China, all in an effort to help them ward off any potential threat from America’s top rival at the time: the Soviet Union.

The weapons, however, were never delivered to China. The deal was ultimately scuttled by the White House in 1989 following the Tiananmen Square massacre.

That makes Vietnam the first communist nation in decades to receive America’s blessing to purchase US arms. But it doesn’t mean Vietnam is prepared to go on a shopping spree.

“I don’t think we’ll see Vietnam buying any big-ticket items from the US right away,” says Ian Storey, a security expert at Singapore’s Institute of Southeast Asian Studies. “Most American kit is simply too expensive for Vietnam.”

There’s another barrier to Vietnam splurging on American guns. US gear isn’t compatible with Soviet-era aircraft and sea vessels — and Russian equipment accounts for “about 90 percent of Vietnam’s military equipment,” Storey says.

Nor will a smattering of US weapons give Vietnam the might to fend off China’s modernized and powerful navy.

“Vietnam has a credible military and their defense budget is growing,” Storey says. “China would have to think twice before engaging Vietnam in a conflict... but the Vietnamese wouldn’t prevail. The Chinese can obviously outgun them in every way.”

What Vietnam likely needs from the US are high-end surveillance planes and perhaps some secondhand artillery. “Lifting the embargo may also be a symbolic move,” Storey says, “as it demonstrates the US and Vietnam are tightening their strategic relationship.”

It also demonstrates that the once-smoldering enmity between the US and Vietnam is almost fully doused.

The word “communist” — or “socialist,” its less acerbic cousin — is still used as a political slur in the US. But the White House’s decision to OK arms sales to communist Vietnam has yet to be politicized by President Barack Obama’s conservative enemies.

It certainly helps that Sen. John McCain, tortured by Hanoi communists in the late 1960s, is among the loudest voices calling for the US to sell more guns to Vietnam’s government.

This article originally appeared on GlobalPost.

The US hasn’t armed a communist nation in ages. That could soon change
 
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"to receive America’s bless???".

I think Vietnam do not need any bless from the US. It is the US to receive the bless from Vietnam to work together against China, for their benefits. We do not need the US money (very little investment from them), their technology (almost zero), their expertise (almost zero) or their education (lower than Vietnamese standard, except the top-notch universities). Their market, albeit being the single largest for Vietnam's export, is not as important as China, since Vietnam increasingly depends on China for much of input materials for its export, not to talk about the increasing export volume to China too.

In the meantime, Vietnam is much more interconnected with ASEAN and North East Asia (combined account to 60-70% export, most of investment and technology).

The US is not what it used to be in 1990s.
 
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US has armed China in 1980s to counter USSR, you are never the first.
"to receive America’s bless???".

I think Vietnam do not need any bless from the US. It is the US to receive the bless from Vietnam to work together against China, for their benefits. We do not need the US money (very little investment from them), their technology (almost zero), their expertise (almost zero) or their education (lower than Vietnamese standard, except the top-notch universities). Their market, albeit being the single largest for Vietnam's export, is not as important as China, since Vietnam increasingly depends on China for much of input materials for its export, not to talk about the increasing export volume to China too.

In the meantime, Vietnam is much more interconnected with ASEAN and North East Asia (combined account to 60-70% export, most of investment and technology).

The US is not what it used to be in 1990s.
A little country like Vietnam involving the conflicts of great powers is very dangerous, and easily become a chess discarded casually. Vietnam should get lessons from 1975-1991 when it became the chess of USSR to counter China, trapped into war with super neighbor and got nothing by costing countless money , people and more important time and chance to develop itself. Avoiding to involve into the conflicts of any great powers is the best choice for you.
 
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"to receive America’s bless???".

I think Vietnam do not need any bless from the US. It is the US to receive the bless from Vietnam to work together against China, for their benefits. We do not need the US money (very little investment from them), their technology (almost zero), their expertise (almost zero) or their education (lower than Vietnamese standard, except the top-notch universities). Their market, albeit being the single largest for Vietnam's export, is not as important as China, since Vietnam increasingly depends on China for much of input materials for its export, not to talk about the increasing export volume to China too.

In the meantime, Vietnam is much more interconnected with ASEAN and North East Asia (combined account to 60-70% export, most of investment and technology).

The US is not what it used to be in 1990s.
Vietnam is in a good position for gain. It should use this position to force transfer of technology from US or any country that wants to make Vietnam it's friend. Vietnam needs how-to and develop Vietnam's own path. Selling weapons is to sell influence on that country.

US has armed China in 1980s to counter USSR, you are never the first.

A little country like Vietnam involving the conflicts of great powers is very dangerous, and easily become a chess discarded casually. Vietnam should get lessons from 1975-1991 when it became the chess of USSR to counter China, trapped into war with super neighbor and got nothing by costing countless money , people and more important time and chance to develop itself. Avoiding to involve into the conflicts of any great powers is the best choice for you.
If only Vietnam had not became so arrogant after American war, China and Vietnam would still be bros.
 
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Wow, that is a lot of China paranoia by the Americans. Arming countries to the teeth like carrying arms in the second amendment. Lately the Americans got a lot of problems on their plate.
 
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Wow, that is a lot of China paranoia by the Americans. Arming countries to the teeth like carrying arms in the first amendment. Lately the Americans got a lot of problems on their plate.

That's the second amendment..........The right to bear arms. The first amendment is the guarantee of freedom of religion and speech.......

I Mean, I have no beef of you try to degrade America, but at least do so with correct information...First Amendment have nothing to do with Arming a country....
 
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That's the second amendment..........The right to bear arms. The first amendment is the guarantee of freedom of religion and speech.......

I Mean, I have no beef of you try to degrade America, but at least do so with correct information...First Amendment have nothing to do with Arming a country....

You stalking me in threads now? Terrible at handling debates? I know you are a professional member of this forum and are supposed to be very prestigious, but stop acting like a jerk now.

PS. I have already edited my post. Take a breather.
 
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You stalking me in threads now? Terrible at handling debates? I know you are a professional member of this forum and are supposed to be very prestigious, but stop acting like a jerk now.

PS. I have already edited my post. Take a breather.

No I am not stalking you, I was always interested in Vietnam Affair. And I was drawn in here because I saw @3Kingdoms replied to the thread. I did not know you were here until I open this thread.

If only Vietnam had not became so arrogant after American war, China and Vietnam would still be bros.

Well, I would say the current Viet-Chinese relationship does not go sour after the Vietnam War. It already went south during the war, before North Vietnam invaded the South. The school of thought for Vietnam Communist is of Soviet Branch, which basically disagree with the Chinese own brand of Communism during Mao and subsequently Zhou reign. Hence the warming of relationship between China and the US during the 70s.

The problem is that what China would be can never be with Vietnam, unless Vietnam to be one of the province of China, otherwise they will not be bro to begin with, but always going to be on the sharp end of a spear.
 
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Normalization the relation with US is important for Vietnam. Let go ahead.
 
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Well, I would say the current Viet-Chinese relationship does not go sour after the Vietnam War. It already went south during the war, before North Vietnam invaded the South. The school of thought for Vietnam Communist is of Soviet Branch, which basically disagree with the Chinese own brand of Communism during Mao and subsequently Zhou reign. Hence the warming of relationship between China and the US during the 70s.

The problem is that what China would be can never be with Vietnam, unless Vietnam to be one of the province of China, otherwise they will not be bro to begin with, but always going to be on the sharp end of a spear.
Yep you're right, Vietnam was suspicious of China since mid 1950's with many disagreements. The main thing they formed a good alliance 1950-1975(French & US).
I understand Vietnam's position more polishing my history, in the end its just a small country wanting to keep sovereignty and its importance on the world stage but it's next to a giant. But like in war the relationship with China is asymmetric nobody in the world would want a small war in a $5 Trillion sea lane - Vietnam doesn't need to win a fight with China if you know what I mean.
 
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Yep you're right, Vietnam was suspicious of China since mid 1950's with many disagreements. The main thing they formed a good alliance 1950-1975(French & US).
I understand Vietnam's position more polishing my history, in the end its just a small country wanting to keep sovereignty and its importance on the world stage but it's next to a giant. But like in war the relationship with China is asymmetric nobody in the world would want a small war in a $5 Trillion sea lane - Vietnam doesn't need to win a fight with China if you know what I mean.
Do you think Vietnam reach the weight that we can betray to create relationship with US? No the weight of Vietnam is too tiny, the gain to betray you is too limited. The only reason that China and US can create a good relationship that time is that USSR became our enemy, China and US has common enemy USSR. Vietnam gradually became the chess to counter China, then the war happened. The westerners always like give us a label of Nazi or Soviet that always like to invade others, just like this time they said we will invade Vietnam to make it our province. They want to use it intimidate Vietnam to earn Vietnam as its free chess to counter China. Invading Vietnam is not beneficial to us, it is purely idiot that poured money to conquer a poor country just like what US did in Vietnam war. China is still a developing country and has no superfluous money to do that stupid does.
 
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USA will go out of her way just to contain China.
Obama will sell his family too.
 
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