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The US Has Already Lost The Afghanistan War

Yes! these are the real inhuman/evil/Luciferianz trying to mass murder the innocent pplz of the poor countries around the world , to rob them of their resources for their never ending greed.........:what:

I agree, Religious fundies need to be dealt with...no matter what silly fairy-tale they think is reality.
 
We will be in Afghanistan a looong time. Get used to your new neihbors!
 
Their goal of throwing a country behind 20 years was achieved with flying colors. A civilization that was already a couple of decade behind due to wars and corruption was further thrown in a hole. How can you not be a winner if you destroy a whole civilization? In war terms that would trump taking over a country anyday.
 
Their goal of throwing a country behind 20 years was achieved with flying colors. A civilization that was already a couple of decade behind due to wars and corruption was further thrown in a hole. How can you not be a winner if you destroy a whole civilization? In war terms that would trump taking over a country anyday.

Love the runes!
 
Afghanistan was destroyed the day the Soviet came, but ruined beyond redemption when the Mujahideens 'liberated'.

Apart from physical ravage, they went back into the Medieval days, if not the Stoneage!

ISI played its role (Bear Trap by Brig Yousaf) but they did not do so with Pakistan, which too was a Muslim nation.

Zia did it to Pakistan. He believed in the English poet - If 'Winter Comes, Can Spring be Far Behind'!

If anyone has lost out in the War for Life and Self Respect, it is the Afghans! Their lives are mortgaged to everyone but themselves!

Shed a tear for the Afghans, foolish that they are!
 
it is the history of Afghanistan that no foreigner force win the war
1st Alexander loss
2nd British loss
3rd USSR loss
now its time for America
waka waka America
i read about Vietnam war that USA defeat from poor Vietnamese
but i see American defeat by my eyes



Keep living in dreams... :P From My point of view USA achieved its objective in Afgahanistan .. USA didn't came Afganistan to rule it, They came to hunt OBL and they did... look at the list of American achievement

Invasion of Afghanistan
Fall of the Taliban government
Destruction of al-Qaeda camps
Over two thirds of al-Qaeda's leadership demolished
Occupation of Afghanistan
Taliban insurgency
War in North-West Pakistan
Killing of Osama bin Laden

For each person died in 9/11 Americans killed 8 terrorists... USA is not in mood to rule Afganistan, They have achieve there objective, they can leave when ever they want...
 
Keep living in dreams... :P From My point of view USA achieved its objective in Afgahanistan .. USA didn't came Afganistan to rule it, They came to hunt OBL and they did... look at the list of American achievement

Invasion of Afghanistan
Fall of the Taliban government
Destruction of al-Qaeda camps
Over two thirds of al-Qaeda's leadership demolished
Occupation of Afghanistan
Taliban insurgency
War in North-West Pakistan
Killing of Osama bin Laden

For each person died in 9/11 Americans killed 8 terrorists... USA is not in mood to rule Afganistan, They have achieve there objective, they can leave when ever they want...

Someone who understands what a war-aim is!
 
Keep living in dreams... :P From My point of view USA achieved its objective in Afgahanistan .. USA didn't came Afganistan to rule it, They came to hunt OBL and they did... look at the list of American achievement

Invasion of Afghanistan
Fall of the Taliban government
Destruction of al-Qaeda camps
Over two thirds of al-Qaeda's leadership demolished
Occupation of Afghanistan
Taliban insurgency
War in North-West Pakistan
Killing of Osama bin Laden

For each person died in 9/11 Americans killed 8 terrorists... USA is not in mood to rule Afganistan, They have achieve there objective, they can leave when ever they want...

u ought to get your math right - 225,000 people have been killed, maimed injured by america's wars - think about that for a few seconds!!!
 
^^and go ask the 43m americans on 'food-stamps' whether america won the war or not - i already know what answer they will give.........
 
The objective of war is to achieve political objectives, not to kill enemies.
Bluntly killing is easy. So if wars were just about that they would be over in days.

If one is to take such a comment as above underlined at face values it would seem to me that it is more important then to get the politics correct before stepping of the plane with loaded weapon.

Since this basic step of getting the politics right failed the whole process was doomed.
Add to that EVERY nation currently involved in Afghanistan has added to that doom, be these nations presence be overt or covert.

Save me the pretense of phony flag waving of the "innocent nation" .
 
Let’s Not Linger in Afghanistan

LAST month President Obama announced plans for withdrawing by next summer the approximately 30,000 American troops sent to Afghanistan as part of the 2009 surge.

We commend the president for sticking to the July date he had outlined for beginning the withdrawal. However, his plan would not remove all regular combat troops until 2014. We believe the United States is capable of achieving this goal by the end of 2012. America would be more secure and stronger economically if we recognized that we have largely achieved our objectives in Afghanistan and moved aggressively to bring our troops and tax dollars home.

After Al Qaeda attacked the United States on Sept. 11, 2001, we rightly sought to bring to justice those who attacked us, to eliminate Al Qaeda’s safe havens and training camps in Afghanistan, and to remove the terrorist-allied Taliban government. With hard work and sacrifice, our troops, intelligence personnel and diplomatic corps have skillfully achieved these objectives, culminating in the death of Osama bin Laden.

But over the past 10 years, our mission expanded to include a fourth goal: nation-building. That is what we are bogged down in now: a prolonged effort to create a strong central government, a national police force and an army, and civic institutions in a nation that never had any to begin with. Let’s not forget that Afghanistan has been a tribal society for millenniums.

Nineteen months ago the president announced the surge strategy in hopes of stabilizing Afghanistan and strengthening its military and police forces. Today, despite vast investment in training and equipping Afghan forces, the country’s deep-seated instability, rampant corruption and, in some cases, compromised loyalties endure. Extending our commitment of combat troops will not remedy that situation.

Sometimes our national security warrants extreme sacrifices, and our troops are prepared to make them when asked. In this case, however, there is little reason to believe that the continuing commitment of tens of thousands of troops on a sprawling nation-building mission in Afghanistan will make America safer.

National security experts, including the former C.I.A. director Leon E. Panetta, have noted that Al Qaeda’s presence in Afghanistan has been greatly diminished. Today there are probably fewer than 100 low-level Qaeda operatives in Afghanistan. Al Qaeda has a much larger presence in a number of other nations.

Our focus shouldn’t be establishing new institutions in Afghanistan, but concentrating on terrorist organizations with global reach. And our military and intelligence organizations have proved repeatedly that they can take the fight to the terrorists without a huge military footprint.

We have urgent needs at home: high unemployment and a flood of foreclosures, a record deficit and a debt that is over $14 trillion and growing. We are spending $10 billion a month in Afghanistan. We need to change course.

A week before the president’s speech, 24 of our Senate colleagues joined us by signing onto a bipartisan letter urging the president to announce a sustained and sizable drawdown from Afghanistan with the goal of removing regular combat troops. This group includes progressives, moderates and conservatives united behind one conclusion: we’ve accomplished what we set out to accomplish in Afghanistan, and we can no longer afford the lives and money it is taking to pursue an ambitious open-ended nation-building mission.

It is not too late to change course in what has become the longest American war in history. In light of our considerable national needs, both security and domestic, we urge the president to bring our troops home at last.

Jeff Merkley, Democrat of Oregon, Rand Paul, Republican of Kentucky, and Tom Udall, Democrat of New Mexico, are United States senators.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/05/opinion/05merkley3.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
 
We will be in Afghanistan a looong time. Get used to your new neihbors!

Hey! Realli we love US pplz be next door to us....Having a fun with the Taliban Fighterz there....Yea! it will be excellent scene for us to watch from here.......Looks like Lucifrian US gonna run away leaving all its soldiers behind in Afghanistan at the mercy of Afghan Taliban Mujahideen. Dont worry they gonna take good care of u guyz there at least far better than the Luciferian/evil US govt............Alhamdolillah!..........:woot:
 
It makes me proud too...Because Sikh empire was only foreign empire which ruled over afghanistan (almost 40 % of present land mass of Afghanistan during its Golden days)

40% of Afghanistan?? lol Sikhs only ruled over no more than 25% of Afghanistan, stop coming up with silly conclusions without substantial evidence.

refer to my post #29: http://www.defence.pk/forums/u-s-fo...ready-lost-afghanistan-war-2.html#post1923589


and won major battles against Afghans ruling in Peshawar, Multan and others parts of pakistan. The Afgans who once where aming Delhi were flushed as back as to kabul.

And then came the British who obliterated the tiny Sikh "empire" in the Anglo-Sikh wars but when the same British tried to do the same to the Afghans they got their rear ends handed to them not once, not twice, but three times, the British lost three wars to the Afghans.
 
Keep living in dreams... :P From My point of view USA achieved its objective in Afgahanistan .. USA didn't came Afganistan to rule it, They came to hunt OBL and they did... look at the list of American achievement

Invasion of Afghanistan
Fall of the Taliban government
Destruction of al-Qaeda camps
Over two thirds of al-Qaeda's leadership demolished
Occupation of Afghanistan
Taliban insurgency
War in North-West Pakistan
Killing of Osama bin Laden

For each person died in 9/11 Americans killed 8 terrorists... USA is not in mood to rule Afganistan, They have achieve there objective, they can leave when ever they want...

Tell your crock of nonsense to the woman in Fahrenheit 9/11 movie by Michael Moore, where the mother was really patriotic and proud that her son was serving in Iraq. Then some time later when she found out her son was (sgt. michael pederson) dead, she cried and started started questioning the war.

Obviously she realized the war was a fraud, not worth fighting for, and finally realized she wants her son back!
Tell your nonsense to the mother's who lost their children in Afghanistan.
Its easy for you to say, but if there was a war, chances are you would chicken out!
 
Tell your crock of nonsense to the woman in Fahrenheit 9/11 movie by Michael Moore, where the mother was really patriotic and proud that her son was serving in Iraq. Then some time later when she found out her son was (sgt. michael pederson) dead, she cried and started started questioning the war.

Obviously she realized the war was a fraud, not worth fighting for, and finally realized she wants her son back!
Tell your nonsense to the mother's who lost their children in Afghanistan.
Its easy for you to say, but if there was a war, chances are you would chicken out!

No need to get emotional, this is what happens in war. Are you just born or what?

If you want to blame someone for all these emotional scenes then you should blame Taliban who started all this by doing 9/11. And if you're gonna say that 9/11 was not done by Taliban then don't bother to reply.
 

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