The US Air Force's oldest F-22 Raptors may be heading to the 'boneyard'

[gambit]

Sorry, your F-22 is outdated which is a big reason why early batch retired and production. The only thing good about F-22 is just power thrust and supercruise. It's avionics and sensor are totally incomparable in 21the century. No even EOTAS and u can claim it's better than J-20? Lol..


Of cos, USAF wouldn't tell us it's turd and that's why they stopped these white elephtant, right?

Just like the Zumalt class destroyer

Our 'outdated' or even 'failed' stuff is at least one step over your best. How else can China learn except from our scraps?

 

[Beast]

Our 'outdated' or even 'failed' stuff is at least one step over your best. How else can China learn except from our scraps?

No, we do it ourselves. Nobody want your trash.

US is now officially a failed state. Just like your senile president.

 

[Metal 0-1]

True China lumba 1

Chinese super weapons superiority

 

[gambit]

No, we do it ourselves. Nobody want your trash.

Hah...China dumpster-dived US and Russia's trash bins and cobbled together the J-20.

 

[LeGenD]

Sorry, your F-22 is outdated which is a big reason why early batch retired and production. The only thing good about F-22 is just power thrust and supercruise. It's avionics and sensor are totally incomparable in 21the century. No even EOTAS and u can claim it's better than J-20? Lol..


Of cos, USAF wouldn't tell us it's turd and that's why they stopped these white elephtant, right?

Just like the Zumalt class destroyer

F-22A Raptor is a turd?

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Like seriously.

The US Air Force's oldest F-22 Raptors may be heading to the 'boneyard'

Air Force officials say retiring the oldest Raptors would free up resources to invest in other F-22s, in the F-35 fleet, and in future fighter jets.

www.businessinsider.com

• The US Air Force is planning to retire the 33 oldest, non-combat-capable F-22s to optimize resources.
• Getting rid of those jets, which are only used for training, would shrink the F-22s fleet from 186 to 153 aircraft.

The US Air Force is seeking approval from the Congress to retire the oldest Tyndall Air Force Base's F-22 Raptors beginning next year.
These Raptors, which have been relocated to Eglin AFB since Tyndall was severely damaged by Hurricane Michael in 2018, were expected to move from Florida to Joint Base Langley-Eustis, Virginia, but they might now suffer a different fate.
The news was first reported by Air Force Times, quoting Maj. Gen. James Peccia, the Air Force's deputy assistant budget secretary, after a meeting with reporters. The retirement of the oldest Raptors, if approved, would free up resources to upgrade the F-22 fleet with new advanced sensors, improvements for the F-35 Lightning II and new cutting-edge technology as part of the Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) program.
This way, all but three Block 20 aircraft would be divested, reducing the overall F-22 fleet from 186 to 153 aircraft. These Raptors would go to the "Boneyard" at Davis-Monthan AFB, Arizona, but it is not known under which category they will be stored.

US Air Force
Considering the info available at this time, it appears almost sure that they will not be kept in a "Type 1000" storage (a condition which allows the aircraft to quickly return to service) as the Air Force has no future operational use for them.
Among the reasons behind this plan, the service listed the high costs that would be required to upgrade these 33 aircraft to an operational status.
Peccia, in fact, mentioned that an investment of USD $1.8 million over eight years would be required to upgrade these older F-22s, which right now are only used for training, as the Block 20 has only basic air-to-ground capabilities, compared to more recent Blocks.
"We will take operational jets and use them for training, but yet we can also take them and use them in the fight," Peccia told reporters on March 25. "It's really using every dollar as smart as we can in our fighter portfolio when we're trying to modernize that portfolio."

Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall added that he doesn't expect further F-22 retirements in the short-term and that it remains the service's premier air-to-air fighter jet. An Air Force spokesperson said that the remaining Raptors will be redistributed among the squadrons, reducing the number of aircraft assigned to each air base.
The future of Tyndall's F-22 has been uncertain for a long time since, after the destruction brought by the hurricane, the jets have been operating from Eglin AFB while waiting for a final decision.

F-22 Raptors on the runway at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida, October 24, 2018. US Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Matthew Lotz
Following the plans to rebuild Tyndall as a "base of the future" and new F-35 hub, the Air Force has approved Joint Base Langley-Eustis to be the new home for the F-22 training unit previously based at Tyndall.
The move has been on hold for quite some time, but an Air Combat Command spokesperson said it is still being coordinated without a specific timeline.

These jets were also eyed for retirement when the Air Force first considered the retirement of the F-22 last year, with Gen. Charles Q. Brown Jr., Air Force Chief of Staff saying that the service will cut its fighter inventory from seven fleets to four.
The list of the "axed" fleets unexpectedly included the Raptor, but it was justified as referred to a very long-term scenario where the F-22's small fleet (compared to the other aircraft in the inventory) will become increasingly hard to support, since it is already 20 years old.

Read the original article on The Aviationist. Copyright 2022. Follow The Aviationist on Twitter.

Why would USAF retired the so called current "ACE" F-22 raptor if its believe to be even superior than F-35? US refused to sell F-22 raptor to Japan. Maybe US are afraid Japan will be very disappointed when they received these old planes design in the early 90s. There is no doubt F-22 raptor has superior physical raw power like thrust and supercruise. But I highly doubt the radar , sensors or tech currently running in F-22 are superior than F-35 or J-20. We are talking about 21th century warfare where situation awareness, sensor and radar hardware far more important than your thrust and supercruise.

A very possible reason USAF decide to keep less F-22 raptor and stop the production over these overprice fighter jet. Money save to upgrade remaining F-22 as their current sensor may even be inferior compare to Rafale.

It make sense to retire earliest production units (or experimental/prototype units) to create a stock of spare parts that can be used to support modernized units in service and use. F-22A Raptor is not in production as a reminder.

USAF is focused on production of F-15EX Eagle II as noted in following link:

Air Force Wants To Retire 33 F-22s, Buy More F-15EXs In New Budget

A-10s and E-3s are among other aircraft potentially on the chopping block. We have a full rundown of combat aircraft highlights from the new budget.

www.thedrive.com

- and 6th generation NGAD to replace F-22A Raptor in 2030s timeline.

Therefore.

We outts ask the Serbs...

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The sortie-to-loss ratio of F-117A Nighthawk in global conflicts for reference:

Operation Just Cause = 6 - 0
Operation Desert Storm = 1219 - 0
Operation Allied Force = 743 - 1
Operation Iraqi Freedom = 87 - 0

Very impressive, right?

 

[Beast]

F-22A Raptor is a turd?

Please check following posts:

US sixth gen fighter making rapid progress, to enter service by end of decade

The Air Force is preparing to unveil a new 30-year fighter force design that includes at least two all-new fighters, a much greater use of autonomous and unmanned aircraft, a new way of providing close air support, and a narrowing timeline for retiring aircraft such as the A-10, F-16, and F-22...

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This I remember now. Even if this is not turned on, the aircraft built in stealth materials good enough to divert radar waves away which means IAF Su-30MKI can't detect a stealth aircraft at more than 60 miles away, it just won't appear on HUD & MFD at all. The active reflector defense helps...

defence.pk

4th Country To Deploy Stealth Fighters, How Does India’s AMCA Stack-Up Against China’s J-20 Mighty Dragon?

Due to that bucket of paint your entire IAF was shitting green on 27 Feb ? Whole world saw the trembling legs of Modi jeee when he was begging for French Rafales I think Pakistanis on this forum have a strong tendency to confuse national opinion with global opinions. The “world” generally does...

defence.pk

And following links:

U.S. Air Force to complete F-22A Raptor modernization

F-22A Update 6 developmental testing began November 13, 2017, with an expected completion in spring of 2020

www.airrecognition.com

Lockheed wins $10.9B contract to modernize F-22

However, by the time the F-22′s modernization is finished, it could already be nearing the end of its life span.

www.defensenews.com

Like seriously.



It make sense to retire earliest production units (or experimental/prototype units) to create a stock of spare parts that can be used to support modernized units in service and use. F-22A Raptor is not in production as a reminder.

USAF is focused on production of F-15EX Eagle II as noted in following link:

Air Force Wants To Retire 33 F-22s, Buy More F-15EXs In New Budget

A-10s and E-3s are among other aircraft potentially on the chopping block. We have a full rundown of combat aircraft highlights from the new budget.

www.thedrive.com

- and 6th generation NGAD to replace F-22A Raptor in 2030s timeline.

Therefore.



The sortie-to-loss ratio of F-117A Nighthawk in global conflicts for reference:

Operation Just Cause = 6 - 0
Operation Desert Storm = 1219 - 0
Operation Allied Force = 743 - 1
Operation Iraqi Freedom = 87 - 0

Very impressive, right?

F-22 no matter what upgrade, we have yet to see a EOTS install on it. The airframe is not allowed for such modification. EOTS combine both FLIR and IRST and are critical in preserving the stealth of F-35 while engage enemies aircraft. USAF surely believe F-22 is gone and a big reason to stop these production while concentrate on more advance F-35. They believe in 21th century, sensor of F-35 outshine maneuverability, thrust and raw performance of the F-22.

 

[LeGenD]

F-22 no matter what upgrade, we have yet to see a EOTS install on it. The airframe is not allowed for such modification. EOTS combine both FLIR and IRST and are critical in preserving the stealth of F-35 while engage enemies aircraft. USAF surely believe F-22 is gone and a big reason to stop these production while concentrate on more advance F-35. They believe in 21th century, sensor of F-35 outshine maneuverability, thrust and raw performance of the F-22.

F-22A Raptor = AN/AAR-56 Infrared and Ultraviolet Missile Launch Detector (MLD)

F-35A/B/C Lightning II = AN/AAQ-37 Electro-optical Distributed Aperture System (DAS); An/AAQ-40 Electro-optic Targeting System (EOTS)

 

[Oldman1]

I guess Russia would be disappointed once they captured those shot down F-22 raptor.

Still waiting for the SU-57 to fly over Ukraine.

F-22 no matter what upgrade, we have yet to see a EOTS install on it. The airframe is not allowed for such modification. EOTS combine both FLIR and IRST and are critical in preserving the stealth of F-35 while engage enemies aircraft. USAF surely believe F-22 is gone and a big reason to stop these production while concentrate on more advance F-35. They believe in 21th century, sensor of F-35 outshine maneuverability, thrust and raw performance of the F-22.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1481730838173822977

 

[huanghong]

An interesting report made by Wu Jianqi, an academician of the Chinese Academy of Engineering and a radar expert, at the Academy.
The photos show the content displayed by the air situation system at that time, and describe in detail how the anti-stealth radar of the Chinese Air Force found the f-22 in the air defense identification zone of South Korea hundreds of kilometers away in 2013, and guided the Air Force aircraft to observe the f-22 closely.

 

[KAL-EL]

Boy oh boy, Just how many of these folks would love to get our 'trash'

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

I hope so. It's an ugly duckling.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

I hope so. It's an ugly duckling.

Every stealth fighters are ugly duckling and what about Su-57 and J-20, every fighter jets are design based upon missions perspective not for beauty contests

 

[StraightEdge]

The way debts are rising, and interests that they need to pay, I doubt they can sustain any program for long. Very soon they will be paying interests each year more than their entire defence budget. printing money only can take you so far.