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  • The US Air Force is planning to retire the 33 oldest, non-combat-capable F-22s to optimize resources.
  • Getting rid of those jets, which are only used for training, would shrink the F-22s fleet from 186 to 153 aircraft.
The US Air Force is seeking approval from the Congress to retire the oldest Tyndall Air Force Base's F-22 Raptors beginning next year.
These Raptors, which have been relocated to Eglin AFB since Tyndall was severely damaged by Hurricane Michael in 2018, were expected to move from Florida to Joint Base Langley-Eustis, Virginia, but they might now suffer a different fate.
The news was first reported by Air Force Times, quoting Maj. Gen. James Peccia, the Air Force's deputy assistant budget secretary, after a meeting with reporters. The retirement of the oldest Raptors, if approved, would free up resources to upgrade the F-22 fleet with new advanced sensors, improvements for the F-35 Lightning II and new cutting-edge technology as part of the Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) program.
This way, all but three Block 20 aircraft would be divested, reducing the overall F-22 fleet from 186 to 153 aircraft. These Raptors would go to the "Boneyard" at Davis-Monthan AFB, Arizona, but it is not known under which category they will be stored.

F-22 Raptor

US Air Force
Considering the info available at this time, it appears almost sure that they will not be kept in a "Type 1000" storage (a condition which allows the aircraft to quickly return to service) as the Air Force has no future operational use for them.
Among the reasons behind this plan, the service listed the high costs that would be required to upgrade these 33 aircraft to an operational status.
Peccia, in fact, mentioned that an investment of USD $1.8 million over eight years would be required to upgrade these older F-22s, which right now are only used for training, as the Block 20 has only basic air-to-ground capabilities, compared to more recent Blocks.
"We will take operational jets and use them for training, but yet we can also take them and use them in the fight," Peccia told reporters on March 25. "It's really using every dollar as smart as we can in our fighter portfolio when we're trying to modernize that portfolio."

Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall added that he doesn't expect further F-22 retirements in the short-term and that it remains the service's premier air-to-air fighter jet. An Air Force spokesperson said that the remaining Raptors will be redistributed among the squadrons, reducing the number of aircraft assigned to each air base.
The future of Tyndall's F-22 has been uncertain for a long time since, after the destruction brought by the hurricane, the jets have been operating from Eglin AFB while waiting for a final decision.
f 22 tyndall survivors

F-22 Raptors on the runway at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida, October 24, 2018. US Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Matthew Lotz
Following the plans to rebuild Tyndall as a "base of the future" and new F-35 hub, the Air Force has approved Joint Base Langley-Eustis to be the new home for the F-22 training unit previously based at Tyndall.
The move has been on hold for quite some time, but an Air Combat Command spokesperson said it is still being coordinated without a specific timeline.

These jets were also eyed for retirement when the Air Force first considered the retirement of the F-22 last year, with Gen. Charles Q. Brown Jr., Air Force Chief of Staff saying that the service will cut its fighter inventory from seven fleets to four.
The list of the "axed" fleets unexpectedly included the Raptor, but it was justified as referred to a very long-term scenario where the F-22's small fleet (compared to the other aircraft in the inventory) will become increasingly hard to support, since it is already 20 years old.

Read the original article on The Aviationist. Copyright 2022. Follow The Aviationist on Twitter.

Why would USAF retired the so called current "ACE" F-22 raptor if its believe to be even superior than F-35? US refused to sell F-22 raptor to Japan. Maybe US are afraid Japan will be very disappointed when they received these old planes design in the early 90s. There is no doubt F-22 raptor has superior physical raw power like thrust and supercruise. But I highly doubt the radar , sensors or tech currently running in F-22 are superior than F-35 or J-20. We are talking about 21th century warfare where situation awareness, sensor and radar hardware far more important than your thrust and supercruise.

A very possible reason USAF decide to keep less F-22 raptor and stop the production over these overprice fighter jet. Money save to upgrade remaining F-22 as their current sensor may even be inferior compare to Rafale.
 
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  • The US Air Force is planning to retire the 33 oldest, non-combat-capable F-22s to optimize resources.
  • Getting rid of those jets, which are only used for training, would shrink the F-22s fleet from 186 to 153 aircraft.
The US Air Force is seeking approval from the Congress to retire the oldest Tyndall Air Force Base's F-22 Raptors beginning next year.
These Raptors, which have been relocated to Eglin AFB since Tyndall was severely damaged by Hurricane Michael in 2018, were expected to move from Florida to Joint Base Langley-Eustis, Virginia, but they might now suffer a different fate.
The news was first reported by Air Force Times, quoting Maj. Gen. James Peccia, the Air Force's deputy assistant budget secretary, after a meeting with reporters. The retirement of the oldest Raptors, if approved, would free up resources to upgrade the F-22 fleet with new advanced sensors, improvements for the F-35 Lightning II and new cutting-edge technology as part of the Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) program.
This way, all but three Block 20 aircraft would be divested, reducing the overall F-22 fleet from 186 to 153 aircraft. These Raptors would go to the "Boneyard" at Davis-Monthan AFB, Arizona, but it is not known under which category they will be stored.

F-22 Raptor

US Air Force
Considering the info available at this time, it appears almost sure that they will not be kept in a "Type 1000" storage (a condition which allows the aircraft to quickly return to service) as the Air Force has no future operational use for them.
Among the reasons behind this plan, the service listed the high costs that would be required to upgrade these 33 aircraft to an operational status.
Peccia, in fact, mentioned that an investment of USD $1.8 million over eight years would be required to upgrade these older F-22s, which right now are only used for training, as the Block 20 has only basic air-to-ground capabilities, compared to more recent Blocks.
"We will take operational jets and use them for training, but yet we can also take them and use them in the fight," Peccia told reporters on March 25. "It's really using every dollar as smart as we can in our fighter portfolio when we're trying to modernize that portfolio."

Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall added that he doesn't expect further F-22 retirements in the short-term and that it remains the service's premier air-to-air fighter jet. An Air Force spokesperson said that the remaining Raptors will be redistributed among the squadrons, reducing the number of aircraft assigned to each air base.
The future of Tyndall's F-22 has been uncertain for a long time since, after the destruction brought by the hurricane, the jets have been operating from Eglin AFB while waiting for a final decision.
f 22 tyndall survivors

F-22 Raptors on the runway at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida, October 24, 2018. US Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Matthew Lotz
Following the plans to rebuild Tyndall as a "base of the future" and new F-35 hub, the Air Force has approved Joint Base Langley-Eustis to be the new home for the F-22 training unit previously based at Tyndall.
The move has been on hold for quite some time, but an Air Combat Command spokesperson said it is still being coordinated without a specific timeline.

These jets were also eyed for retirement when the Air Force first considered the retirement of the F-22 last year, with Gen. Charles Q. Brown Jr., Air Force Chief of Staff saying that the service will cut its fighter inventory from seven fleets to four.
The list of the "axed" fleets unexpectedly included the Raptor, but it was justified as referred to a very long-term scenario where the F-22's small fleet (compared to the other aircraft in the inventory) will become increasingly hard to support, since it is already 20 years old.

Read the original article on The Aviationist. Copyright 2022. Follow The Aviationist on Twitter.

Why would USAF retired the so called current "ACE" F-22 raptor if its believe to be even superior than F-35? US refused to sell F-22 raptor to Japan. Maybe US are afraid Japan will be very disappointed when they received these old planes design in the early 90s. There is no doubt F-22 raptor has superior physical raw power like thrust and supercruise. But I highly doubt the radar , sensors or tech currently running in F-22 are superior than F-35 or J-20. We are talking about 21th century warfare where situation awareness, sensor and radar hardware far more important than your thrust and supercruise.

A very possible reason USAF decide to keep less F-22 raptor and stop the production over these overprice fighter jet. Money save to upgrade remaining F-22 as their current sensor may even be inferior compare to Rafale.

They should give these planes to Ukraine so we can see what they are really like in air warfare.
 
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  • The US Air Force is planning to retire the 33 oldest, non-combat-capable F-22s to optimize resources.
  • Getting rid of those jets, which are only used for training, would shrink the F-22s fleet from 186 to 153 aircraft.
The US Air Force is seeking approval from the Congress to retire the oldest Tyndall Air Force Base's F-22 Raptors beginning next year.
These Raptors, which have been relocated to Eglin AFB since Tyndall was severely damaged by Hurricane Michael in 2018, were expected to move from Florida to Joint Base Langley-Eustis, Virginia, but they might now suffer a different fate.
The news was first reported by Air Force Times, quoting Maj. Gen. James Peccia, the Air Force's deputy assistant budget secretary, after a meeting with reporters. The retirement of the oldest Raptors, if approved, would free up resources to upgrade the F-22 fleet with new advanced sensors, improvements for the F-35 Lightning II and new cutting-edge technology as part of the Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) program.
This way, all but three Block 20 aircraft would be divested, reducing the overall F-22 fleet from 186 to 153 aircraft. These Raptors would go to the "Boneyard" at Davis-Monthan AFB, Arizona, but it is not known under which category they will be stored.

F-22 Raptor

US Air Force
Considering the info available at this time, it appears almost sure that they will not be kept in a "Type 1000" storage (a condition which allows the aircraft to quickly return to service) as the Air Force has no future operational use for them.
Among the reasons behind this plan, the service listed the high costs that would be required to upgrade these 33 aircraft to an operational status.
Peccia, in fact, mentioned that an investment of USD $1.8 million over eight years would be required to upgrade these older F-22s, which right now are only used for training, as the Block 20 has only basic air-to-ground capabilities, compared to more recent Blocks.
"We will take operational jets and use them for training, but yet we can also take them and use them in the fight," Peccia told reporters on March 25. "It's really using every dollar as smart as we can in our fighter portfolio when we're trying to modernize that portfolio."

Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall added that he doesn't expect further F-22 retirements in the short-term and that it remains the service's premier air-to-air fighter jet. An Air Force spokesperson said that the remaining Raptors will be redistributed among the squadrons, reducing the number of aircraft assigned to each air base.
The future of Tyndall's F-22 has been uncertain for a long time since, after the destruction brought by the hurricane, the jets have been operating from Eglin AFB while waiting for a final decision.
f 22 tyndall survivors

F-22 Raptors on the runway at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida, October 24, 2018. US Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Matthew Lotz
Following the plans to rebuild Tyndall as a "base of the future" and new F-35 hub, the Air Force has approved Joint Base Langley-Eustis to be the new home for the F-22 training unit previously based at Tyndall.
The move has been on hold for quite some time, but an Air Combat Command spokesperson said it is still being coordinated without a specific timeline.

These jets were also eyed for retirement when the Air Force first considered the retirement of the F-22 last year, with Gen. Charles Q. Brown Jr., Air Force Chief of Staff saying that the service will cut its fighter inventory from seven fleets to four.
The list of the "axed" fleets unexpectedly included the Raptor, but it was justified as referred to a very long-term scenario where the F-22's small fleet (compared to the other aircraft in the inventory) will become increasingly hard to support, since it is already 20 years old.

Read the original article on The Aviationist. Copyright 2022. Follow The Aviationist on Twitter.

Why would USAF retired the so called current "ACE" F-22 raptor if its believe to be even superior than F-35? US refused to sell F-22 raptor to Japan. Maybe US are afraid Japan will be very disappointed when they received these old planes design in the early 90s. There is no doubt F-22 raptor has superior physical raw power like thrust and supercruise. But I highly doubt the radar , sensors or tech currently running in F-22 are superior than F-35 or J-20. We are talking about 21th century warfare where situation awareness, sensor and radar hardware far more important than your thrust and supercruise.

A very possible reason USAF decide to keep less F-22 raptor and stop the production over these overprice fighter jet. Money save to upgrade remaining F-22 as their current sensor may even be inferior compare to Rafale.


These are the older block models. That money will be invested into the 6th Gen NGAD which already flew in 2020.
 
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These are the older block models. That money will be invested into the 6th Gen NGAD which already flew in 2020.
But but... Many claim F-22 raptor (be it any version) is superior in every way compare to F-35. So that means BS from those fanboys, right? :enjoy:

You see those YouTube ranking...
 
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Instead of the boneyard, you can give it to me. I get me some Decepticon insignias and i got me a Starscream
 
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But but... Many claim F-22 raptor (be it any version) is superior in every way compare to F-35. So that means BS from those fanboys, right? :enjoy:

You see those YouTube ranking...


What you fail to realize is that the USAF 6th Gen NGAD is moving out a lot faster than most expect and it needs significant investment.
 
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  • The US Air Force is planning to retire the 33 oldest, non-combat-capable F-22s to optimize resources.
  • Getting rid of those jets, which are only used for training, would shrink the F-22s fleet from 186 to 153 aircraft.
The US Air Force is seeking approval from the Congress to retire the oldest Tyndall Air Force Base's F-22 Raptors beginning next year.
These Raptors, which have been relocated to Eglin AFB since Tyndall was severely damaged by Hurricane Michael in 2018, were expected to move from Florida to Joint Base Langley-Eustis, Virginia, but they might now suffer a different fate.
The news was first reported by Air Force Times, quoting Maj. Gen. James Peccia, the Air Force's deputy assistant budget secretary, after a meeting with reporters. The retirement of the oldest Raptors, if approved, would free up resources to upgrade the F-22 fleet with new advanced sensors, improvements for the F-35 Lightning II and new cutting-edge technology as part of the Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) program.
This way, all but three Block 20 aircraft would be divested, reducing the overall F-22 fleet from 186 to 153 aircraft. These Raptors would go to the "Boneyard" at Davis-Monthan AFB, Arizona, but it is not known under which category they will be stored.

F-22 Raptor

US Air Force
Considering the info available at this time, it appears almost sure that they will not be kept in a "Type 1000" storage (a condition which allows the aircraft to quickly return to service) as the Air Force has no future operational use for them.
Among the reasons behind this plan, the service listed the high costs that would be required to upgrade these 33 aircraft to an operational status.
Peccia, in fact, mentioned that an investment of USD $1.8 million over eight years would be required to upgrade these older F-22s, which right now are only used for training, as the Block 20 has only basic air-to-ground capabilities, compared to more recent Blocks.
"We will take operational jets and use them for training, but yet we can also take them and use them in the fight," Peccia told reporters on March 25. "It's really using every dollar as smart as we can in our fighter portfolio when we're trying to modernize that portfolio."

Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall added that he doesn't expect further F-22 retirements in the short-term and that it remains the service's premier air-to-air fighter jet. An Air Force spokesperson said that the remaining Raptors will be redistributed among the squadrons, reducing the number of aircraft assigned to each air base.
The future of Tyndall's F-22 has been uncertain for a long time since, after the destruction brought by the hurricane, the jets have been operating from Eglin AFB while waiting for a final decision.
f 22 tyndall survivors

F-22 Raptors on the runway at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida, October 24, 2018. US Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Matthew Lotz
Following the plans to rebuild Tyndall as a "base of the future" and new F-35 hub, the Air Force has approved Joint Base Langley-Eustis to be the new home for the F-22 training unit previously based at Tyndall.
The move has been on hold for quite some time, but an Air Combat Command spokesperson said it is still being coordinated without a specific timeline.

These jets were also eyed for retirement when the Air Force first considered the retirement of the F-22 last year, with Gen. Charles Q. Brown Jr., Air Force Chief of Staff saying that the service will cut its fighter inventory from seven fleets to four.
The list of the "axed" fleets unexpectedly included the Raptor, but it was justified as referred to a very long-term scenario where the F-22's small fleet (compared to the other aircraft in the inventory) will become increasingly hard to support, since it is already 20 years old.

Read the original article on The Aviationist. Copyright 2022. Follow The Aviationist on Twitter.

Why would USAF retired the so called current "ACE" F-22 raptor if its believe to be even superior than F-35? US refused to sell F-22 raptor to Japan. Maybe US are afraid Japan will be very disappointed when they received these old planes design in the early 90s. There is no doubt F-22 raptor has superior physical raw power like thrust and supercruise. But I highly doubt the radar , sensors or tech currently running in F-22 are superior than F-35 or J-20. We are talking about 21th century warfare where situation awareness, sensor and radar hardware far more important than your thrust and supercruise.

A very possible reason USAF decide to keep less F-22 raptor and stop the production over these overprice fighter jet. Money save to upgrade remaining F-22 as their current sensor may even be inferior compare to Rafale.

We will probably never know the complete reason why F-22 was not mass produced and was retired early. USAF still runs F-15 and F-16 which are cold war era designs. B-52 are almist 70 years old. So its kinda strange F-22 project got scrapped so early.
 
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We will probably never know the complete reason why F-22 was not mass produced and was retired early.
Because of cost.

USAF still runs F-15 and F-16 which are cold war era designs. B-52 are almist 70 years old.
Because they are still good enough for missions that do not require radar low observability.

So its kinda strange F-22 project got scrapped so early.
Because we got something better coming.

Here is the deal...

The US is the world's premier wielder of low radar observable platforms. It is not enough to R/D, build, and make a few squadrons. There must be continuously evolving tactics of the platforms, no matter what it is, and integration into the overall war doctrines. The F-117 was a bomber, no matter what we called it back then. We found that there was no need to have large quantities of the F-117 because once the few critical enemy targets were damaged/destroyed by the F-117, other and older platforms will be able to accomplish their missions. Today, it is the same with the F-22. We learned much from wielding the F-22. It is not perfect but still far ahead from whatever China and Russia has, and now we can cross Russia off the low radar observable map. The F-117, F-22, F-35, and B-2 each was a technological leap. Not everyone is eager to see what the NGAD platform can do. :enjoy:
 
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Because of cost.


Because they are still good enough for missions that do not require radar low observability.


Because we got something better coming.

Here is the deal...

The US is the world's premier wielder of low radar observable platforms. It is not enough to R/D, build, and make a few squadrons. There must be continuously evolving tactics of the platforms, no matter what it is, and integration into the overall war doctrines. The F-117 was a bomber, no matter what we called it back then. We found that there was no need to have large quantities of the F-117 because once the few critical enemy targets were damaged/destroyed by the F-117, other and older platforms will be able to accomplish their missions. Today, it is the same with the F-22. We learned much from wielding the F-22. It is not perfect but still far ahead from whatever China and Russia has, and now we can cross Russia off the low radar observable map. The F-117, F-22, F-35, and B-2 each was a technological leap. Not everyone is eager to see what the NGAD platform can do. :enjoy:


Most can't wrap their minds around the fact the USAF were flying a 6th gen NGAD fighter prototype 2 years ago.
 
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J-20s aren't as advanced as either F-22 or F-35, much less US 6th gen.
Sorry, your F-22 is outdated which is a big reason why early batch retired and production. The only thing good about F-22 is just power thrust and supercruise. It's avionics and sensor are totally incomparable in 21the century. No even EOTAS and u can claim it's better than J-20? Lol..

We will probably never know the complete reason why F-22 was not mass produced and was retired early. USAF still runs F-15 and F-16 which are cold war era designs. B-52 are almist 70 years old. So its kinda strange F-22 project got scrapped so early.
Of cos, USAF wouldn't tell us it's turd and that's why they stopped these white elephtant, right?

Just like the Zumalt class destroyer
 
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