1) Firstly I had no intention to insult any one. So if you felt that way, I apologize.
>> You and I both know the interception in Air Defense comes later, first is detection through radars etc. That is done well before any jets becomes threat to Pakistani air space or to Pakistani installations. What happened to the Air Defenses in Muzaffarabad area!!
2) Recall that IAF was flying CAPs close to border for few days before the Feb 26. This increased air activity in my opinion was being done to provide cover for what was to come. In routine any unusual sized formation or increased air activity may raise suspicion, but in such heightened air activity such formation would not raise alarm unless it approaches border.
3) Kashmir is mountainous terrain, and terrain provides a good cover for any intruder.
> When you asked what about 2 heavy Chinooks landed at Kala Dacca, were they also stealth!! no answer coming.
> That incident would always be in the history to give us shame, who brought us that shame!!
4) Yes, I agree. Yes PAF was found lacking, but it does not mean we keep ridiculing them for all the years to come. Shit happens at times. Pearl Harbor happened to US.
5) I have skimmed relevant parts of Abbottabad Commision, if my memory serves me right these were main takeaways:
i) PAFs threat assessment did not perceive a threat from western border. (A faulty analysis but we are all intelligent in hindsight)
ii) Due to this threat assessment PAF's had not deployed Low Level Radars on western border in full numbers as would be required to provide reasonable coverage. This was unlike eastern border. American's knew about this and exploited these gaps in Low Level Radar coverage.
iii) Due to above threat assessment, Mobile Observer Units, were also not deployed on western border. MOU although is an old but still effective way to provide air intrusion warning.
iv) PAF conceded that even if it wanted to it did not have the required number of Low Level Radars to provide effective coverage to both fronts simultaneously. Pakistan's mountainous terrain complicates this problem. (My Opinion: Pakistan's Low Level Radars are quite old, and at least American may have been able to jam them very easily anyway.)
Anyways, if you opinion was that OBL raid gave the impression that anyone can come and bomb us, then recent PAF reaction more than corrected this impression specially to our neighbors in the east. That irrespective of what and why USA(super power) was able to pull off once; does not mean that you will be allowed to do that. So you should be happy that PAF corrected any incorrect impression Indian may have gotten from OBL raid.
I am going to limit the discussion to the OBL incident, because since then India has assumed and demanded that they should also be allowed to attack "terrorists hide outs " like the USA did with OBL. We can argue the merits or de-merits of their arguments, but that is beside the point.
The point is that many countries now think that Pakistan is a pushover and rightly so.
Tell me how many attacks like Peshawar school are planned and executed from Afghanistan by RAW and NDS!!!
Tell me one thing concrete done by Pakistan in this regard!!! As a matter of fact, no matter how much we gloss over it, me included, the fact of the matter is that we have left Pakistanis die in great numbers without saying and doing much. Why!! Don't you think everyone , the PA, politicians and others are equally responsible for the death and destruction of Pakistan!!!
Now coming back to OBL. Even if I agree with your analysis that Western Border until that time was not a problem for Pakistan and that low level radar coverage may have not been operational at the time. Accepted.
Now move forward, if you have care to understand my post. You should have realised the radar was only part of my problems. My problems are far more than radar coverage.
1- The Americans were right near to the PA facilities in Abbottabad. Even the press was there. The Americans spent almost 45 minutes in the area before flying back. Cumbersome copters like Chinooks make lots of noise, plus sight.
2- It took another 20/30 minutes for the copters to clear Pakistan airspace. Where was PAF all that time!!! Proven the Radar coverage is just an excuse, nothing but an excuse.
3- Nobody until now has answered my basic question, considering the maximum weight carrying capacity of 11 personnel by Black Hawk, how the seals from downed Black Hawk boarded one remaining copter!! It is just not possible, other Black Hawk would have crashed too.
4- I can dig out the video of the PAF's Air Chief Marshall saying on the TV that the American jets were waiting on Afghanistan soil therefore, we didn't take actions against the copters.
I think mate you are arguing a losing point, you wouldn't be able to answer my legitimate questions. Don't get me wrong, I love Pakistan from bottom of my heart. But with the same token, I cannot support those who have failed Pakistan and caused death of innocent Pakistani people because of their negligence and policies.
I hold every section of the society responsible for it. They have made Pakistani public immune to every kind of disaster so they can get away with stupid excuses no matter how many people died.
My objections regarding 26th Feb response are in this regards. We were lucky that Spice 2000 missed their targets. If they didn't!! What then!! We would have 300+ martyrs on our hands. Who would have accepted the responsibility of their deaths!!! Same excuses like before!!
What if Modi orders new strikes on many fronts. Would we be throwing same excuses of Indian's CAPs flying near
Pakistani borders etc.etc. Do you understand hundreds or thousands of people could die because of one error!!
How you want me to trust an Air Chief Marshall who says I let my air space violated because I was scared Americans would attack!! How you want me to trust an Air Force not to react for over an hour while the enemy was inside Pakistani airspace!!
No, it is not acceptable. I think you, or any Pakistani should not accept it, ever. Thank you.