The Un-Intended Eye Opener Of 27th Feb:---

[YeBeWarned]

Chinese

Package was delivered by the Mirage , as they carry a load to scare Indian , while most of our JF were busy with Hunting or CAP, so it raise a question can non Chinese Aircraft carry Chinese Pods ?

I am guessing it could be a pod from SAGEM(french) or SELEX (UK).

I thought we only Operate three ? Chinese , Turks and American ..

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

The reaction what I wanted was---I did not get it---. I don't blame most of you guys---because it took me awhile to get to it---.

The issue here is all about the power positioning in the south china seas---. pakistan was just considered to be a stepping stone---an irksome neighbor living on the flanks---.

If the powers to be were successful in containing the chinese air power---as they thought they had---china would be done and dusted---.

But this scenario has made paradigm shift in what the chinese were expected to have and what they have in stock---.

@NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM @Hakikat ve Hikmet

 

[ziaulislam]

There response

 

[Signalian]

I thought we only Operate three ? Chinese , Turks and American ..

ROSE upgrade was done with French help. The Mirages used in strike were not ROSE upgraded, since they seemed to be from 15th Sqd, however, its debatable. In case Non-ROSE Mirages were used, then yes Chinese pod is a probability.

 

[YeBeWarned]

ROSE upgrade was done with French help. The Mirages used in strike were not ROSE upgraded, since they seemed to be from 15th Sqd, however, its debatable. In case Non-ROSE Mirages were used, then yes Chinese pod is a probability.

I guess we have to wait for the info to be made public if they ever will ..

 

[Khafee]

Hi,

The reaction what I wanted was---I did not get it---. I don't blame most of you guys---because it took me awhile to get to it---.

The issue here is all about the power positioning in the south china seas---. pakistan was just considered to be a stepping stone---an irksome neighbor living on the flanks---.

If the powers to be were successful in containing the chinese air power---as they thought they had---china would be done and dusted---.

But this scenario has made paradigm shift in what the chinese were expected to have and what they have in stock---.

@NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM @Hakikat ve Hikmet

My friend, the Chinese haven't yet even opened their wings, and people are already loosing their minds.

 

[MastanKhan]

Thank God a positive post from you ...

Hi,

What you think is negative---has many a positives hidden in it---ask @Khafee

 

[Khafee]

Hi,

What you think is negative---has many a positives hidden in it---ask @Khafee

He is complementing you, take it, and enjoy it. When it finally sinks in, $hit will hit the fan

 

[ziaulislam]

ROSE upgrade was done with French help. The Mirages used in strike were not ROSE upgraded, since they seemed to be from 15th Sqd, however, its debatable. In case Non-ROSE Mirages were used, then yes Chinese pod is a probability.

I wonder do we even need a targeting pod is for gps guided glide weapond?

 

[zulu]

Thats what hurt India most they were presenting themselves(and western considering it too ) as force to contain China thats why 27th came as rude shock for both of them.Like to read more inputs from you regarding this

Hi,

The Paf may not have intended for it to have happened like it did---but the results of that day's---day light strike and skirmish over kashmir has many a powers shook up---concerned---and looking for answers---answers that may not be easy to find and consequences no easy to confront---.

The first major combat of two equally well equipped air forces of the world has some shocking results for the major powers to analyze and assess---.

The myth of the israeli / french / russian technology on one side---and on the other side---chinese technology with ruthless and brutally efficient Paf brains behind that technology in operation.

The Paf---after living all thru those years on sanctions---and as Air Marshall Latif quoted Gen Mushhy " we went with pockets full of money and no one would sell us the fighter aircraft---"---the Paf had a grudge against the claimed powers to be---they were mad as hell---mad as a hornets nest disturbed in the dark of the night---continuously being blamed for every wrong that was done in india by the indians themselves on their own---.

The indians came by choice---at a time and place of their chosing---openly threatening the pak military---and yret they had to trun tail.

In return---Pakistan's response of retaliation at a time and place of their own chosing was not taken seriously---and there were many who had reservations about it---.

But when pakistan struck back---the strike was made in the light of the day---for the world and the public to see---it was masterful---it was tectful---it was ruthless and it was brutal---.

Nobody in the world---no military power in the world expected that kind of retaliation by the pak military---.

And as they say---" success has many fathers---and defeat is an orphan---"---suddenly the indian air force felt like it had been orphaned by its very own---. Indian Prime minister after reviewing the losses---had the realization dawn on him that his aircraft were not capable of defending the motherland untill and unless he did not have the most modern Rafales---.


that was just one small part of the picture---. The bigger and the larger part of the picture was the Pakistan / China fighter / China EW package and china weapons broke the spell of the modern israeli / russian / french EW package---made it go to sleep and spun their own magic in chinese and pakistani and made the enemy fall from the skies---.

This was unexpected---was not a part of the picture---was not supposed to happen---was not allowed to happen---but it did---.

The unexpected successful exposure of the unknown newer weaponry into the air combat field by the Paf has had an eye popping effect in many a leading nations of the world---. The weapons system that was known to be below par and docile turned out to be a monster---.

i would not be surprised if mother China was equally surprised by the effectiveness of its weapons---.

 

[The Eagle]

But this scenario has made paradigm shift in what the chinese were expected to have and what they have in stock---.

The reason many didn't mention or I can say for myself is that, China is neutral in this standoff.

But speaking of Chinese tech capability, only a fool will undermine an adversary like this. I don't count US/West to be that naive except for psych warfare through media to undermine Chinese advancements. Furthermore, there were areas that China lacked but seeing it's progress, it wouldn't be wrong to say that China is closing the gap fast.

Undoubtedly, beside the tech, it was about tactics and expertise of PAF as well. We have an input and China has the base to utilize the same. JFT is a living example.

 

[Signalian]

I wonder do we even need a targeting pod is for gps guided glide weapond?

Yes and No.

I have three points in mind.
1. Was GPS guided weapon was used or LGB?
2. GPS Signal can be jammed or lost, so a targeting pod is back up.
3. Can the GPS guided weapon be "controlled" to change trajectory (if required) by Targeting pod by over riding coordinates during its flight after release, which could make the pod necessary.

 

[Khafee]

Yes and No.

I have three points in mind.
1. Was GPS guided weapon was used or LGB?
2. GPS Signal can be jammed or lost, so a targeting pod is back up.
3. Can the GPS guided weapon be "controlled" to change trajectory (if required) by Targeting pod by over riding coordinates during its flight after release, which could make the pod necessary.

1. No comment
2. GPS, given it's vulnerabilities, usually has INS back up.
3. Yes

 

[GumNaam]

Very well written article...I think credit is due to a quiet, humble and unsung hero that is the Chinese engineer. Discounted throughout the world as second rate copy cats and laughed at by the indian "southies" drunk on their own nonexistent bravado, the 27th of February 2019, is the day when the Chinese engineers had the last laugh on all those who ridiculed, discounted and disregarded them...for it was the Chinese Pakistani designed & manufactured fighter with Chinese radars, AWACS and AAMs that butchered the top of the line Russian fighters armed with the top of the line Russian AAMs flying under the protection of the top of the line isreali awacs with the umbrella of the top of the line isreali sams (read american when I say isreali).

Thank you Chinese brothers.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

The thing is that only the Paf is a known commodity in the world air forces---good---bad---terrible or superstars---.

What this shakeup of the 27th has done to the world powers is---what if the Paf spreads its wings and influence other air forces of the region---.

Guys---this might be felt as a little trembler on the " local scale "---but the fact is that the effects of its monstrosity are far reaching and extremely deep---.

Paf's performance has shaken up the world---. Now---what if the Iraqis or the Syrians or some other countries decide to gop for the full effects of the paf's indoctrination---the consequences would be really really tough for some nations---.