The Un-Intended Eye Opener Of 27th Feb:---

[crankthatskunk]

meri butt parasti karne se apko kuch nahi milega.

Fieldmarshal. Ye kia ho raha, ye kia ho raha hai!!
A person of your rank discussing titbits!!!

 

[El Sidd]

Fieldmarshal. Ye kia ho raha, ye kia ho raha hai!!
A person of your rank discussing titbits!!!

haha i am just amazed at what lengths these people will go to shield their mafia bosses.

 

[ajpirzada]

Is the source the same one which has been found posting doctored photographs/videos quite often? Or is the source the same which claimed Pakistani troops were not involved in Kargil for 10 years?

Did I say he bagged it? Perhaps a re-look at my post to understand what is being conveyed? F-16 is down. YOU take a call as to who is to get the credit/blame. I shall come back to this statement of mine when things become clearer, months, years down the line I have the patience.

You are obviously free to deny the veracity of these pictures without providing any proof that they are indeed manufactured. It is convenient to discard what each side claims as their 'facts'

My statement was in the context of what India is claiming: https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/abh...ctronic-evidence-says-foreign-ministr-2005251

Apologies if you thought I was putting words in your mouth!

 

[Hellfire]

You are obviously free to deny the veracity of these pictures without providing any proof that they are indeed manufactured. It is convenient to discard what each side claims as their 'facts'

My statement was in the context of what India is claiming: https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/abh...ctronic-evidence-says-foreign-ministr-2005251

Apologies if you thought I was putting words in your mouth!

Firstly, not interested in Media as have been taking my sides' fanboys, both media and otherwise, on too. Too many self styled experts around.

Secondly, you might want to consider looking at the effect on a missile detonating due to proximity fuse on an Air to Air Missile's seeker and motor assembly. (Proximity fuse on R-73 is a fact)

Your comments on the undermentioned (old) photos?

I am sure you can make out that this is a seeker head of, perhaps, AIM-9 Sidewinder?

I may be wrong about the missile type in the above example, I concede.

 

[Taha Samad]

Firstly, not interested in Media as have been taking my sides' fanboys, both media and otherwise, on too. Too many self styled experts around.

Secondly, you might want to consider looking at the effect on a missile detonating due to proximity fuse on an Air to Air Missile's seeker and motor assembly. (Proximity fuse on R-73 is a fact)

Your comments on the undermentioned (old) photos?

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I am sure you can make out that this is a seeker head of, perhaps, AIM-9 Sidewinder?

I may be wrong about the missile type in the above example, I concede.

1) But in such case location where the said part was recovered becomes important. There are other pictures from earlier in the day that also show the seekers to present in same location.

2) Also another important consideration. Look at AIM-9 seeker; it has jagged edges. While R73/R77 seekers are broken cleanly at edges at module boundaries. Now this could be attributed to other reasons, but definitely something worth considering.

 

[Hellfire]

1) But in such case location where the said part was recovered becomes important. There are other pictures from earlier in the day that also show the seekers to present in same location.

2) Also another important consideration. Look at AIM-9 seeker; it has jagged edges. While R73/R77 seekers are broken cleanly at edges at module boundaries. Now this could be attributed to other reasons, but definitely something worth considering.

Sir.

Your points remain valid, my intent is to give you an alternative to explore, and rule in/out.

It is quite easy to locate the seeker and the motor of a missile which has exploded on a proximity fuze in precisely the same condition. That it took almost 20 odd days for the missiles to come out, should give you a pause.

01 x R-73 was claimed fired. And that is the only one without any portion of the body.

Can be, fully destroyed. Or could be seeker and motor recovered.

 

[batmannow]

Firstly, not interested in Media as have been taking my sides' fanboys, both media and otherwise, on too. Too many self styled experts around.

Secondly, you might want to consider looking at the effect on a missile detonating due to proximity fuse on an Air to Air Missile's seeker and motor assembly. (Proximity fuse on R-73 is a fact)

Your comments on the undermentioned (old) photos?

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View attachment 548441

I am sure you can make out that this is a seeker head of, perhaps, AIM-9 Sidewinder?

I may be wrong about the missile type in the above example, I concede.

Im amazed how, u guys put something without even thinking a bit that how old that Pic is, it's been more then 25 years pak army used to have those uniforms, what it has to do with your mig 21 Shot down????

 

[mingle]

Firstly, not interested in Media as have been taking my sides' fanboys, both media and otherwise, on too. Too many self styled experts around.

Secondly, you might want to consider looking at the effect on a missile detonating due to proximity fuse on an Air to Air Missile's seeker and motor assembly. (Proximity fuse on R-73 is a fact)

Your comments on the undermentioned (old) photos?

View attachment 548440

View attachment 548441

I am sure you can make out that this is a seeker head of, perhaps, AIM-9 Sidewinder?

I may be wrong about the missile type in the above example, I concede.

It's 2002 stand off between Pak and India where Pak shoot down Indian UAV in punjab. It's also have wreck pics of UAV too I guess if u look archives of PDF here u will get pic of UAV wreck as well. Pak army no longer used these uniforms as wells

 

[SQ8]

I understand that your concept of airforce will probably have that version of F-16.

Cheers and out.

@Oscar

I am pretty much clued up now as to what has transpired. Had to deflated few puffed up members of my side ... so popped in to deflate a few here.

Only thing - for what happened on 27 Feb 2019 - I think both PAF and IAF need a serious introspection, the former a slightly more (by hundredths of a percentage point) in terms of magnitude, as something has happened that has put it between a rock and a hard place. Same for IAF.

Meanwhile, enjoy the show of the fanboys

I agree that deflation has happened on both sides and eventually the truth will be sobering to both sides if and when it does come out.
The facade of nationalism we put up here doesn’t exist in real life.

 

[mingle]

Oh, the Mr. "Ask about me" is back.

English not exactly your forte, is it?



Sir.

Read again, slowly, carefully. Understand what is being said. I know of your equipment old and new, thank you very much.

Taste of pudding is in pudding herself u guys not brought single piece of evidence get life and accept it with grace that u lost that day. Such empty rants won't help u guys.

 

[SQ8]

Firstly, not interested in Media as have been taking my sides' fanboys, both media and otherwise, on too. Too many self styled experts around.

Secondly, you might want to consider looking at the effect on a missile detonating due to proximity fuse on an Air to Air Missile's seeker and motor assembly. (Proximity fuse on R-73 is a fact)

Your comments on the undermentioned (old) photos?

View attachment 548440

View attachment 548441

I am sure you can make out that this is a seeker head of, perhaps, AIM-9 Sidewinder?

I may be wrong about the missile type in the above example, I concede.

If the 9L was found near the Mig- it makes sense to find the seeker since the explosive section is right where the detached section shows.

However, the R-73 has its warhead more towards the center.

Which would suggest that the missles shown captured one should have been blown apart from the center. However those missiles in the image seem relatively intact from the center and seem damaged more from impact than being thrown apart.

It doesn’t look like any R-73 was fired.

 

[MystryMan]

Not always , but only when we been pushed and thts good

We hve a information , tht some IAF , pilots been trained and tested by israelis for another big bigger strike in pakistan , and we are ready for that with PL15s ready to shoot

Maybe Indians will do another false flag in Kashmir to put this plan to action.

 

[Tps43]

Tay ku thand*ani tay balakotay na fasla pata na? tay ku ighwa karnay na prograaam aaa. Pata das

Hahahahaha
Kes da pata
@Khafee da hahaha

 

[MastanKhan]

If tactically PAF had failed that night then IAF would have hit something.
And if there was total lack of leadership and WILL then PAF would not have responded very next day in broad daylight.

Hi,

Don't justify incompetence with salvation---.

Where do you go to learn to come up with these excuse---are schools in pakistan teaching how to justify incompetence or does it have deeper roots---.

محترم جنگ کی خواہش نہ کرو ۔ آپ کی جارحانہ سوچ آپکی ذہنیت کی عکاسی کرتی ہے۔کہ آپ کتنے پانی میں ہیں۔ دو ملک ایٹمی ہتھیاروں کے ساتھ جنگ میں نہی جا سکتے ۔ اور جب جائیں گے تو ایک نامعلوم غم سینے میں لئے ہر بچ جانے والا لئے پھرے گا۔ہر کام کے لئے ایک موافق وقت ہوتا ہے اور وقت ابھی جنگ کا نہی ہے۔ ابھی وقت اپنے آپ کو مضبوط کرنے کا ہے ہر لحاظ سے۔ ہمارا ایک دشمن نہی جس کو ختم کرنا ہے ایک اور بھی ہے جس کے لئے تیاری کرنی ہے۔ ملک کو مضبوط کرنے میں کردار ادا کریں۔

Sir,

Respect the forum---speak english---.

All I'm saying is, if JF-17's scored a kill or kills then the nation needs to be told in clear terms. Keep it mum if other platforms were used but if JF-17's scored the kills then it is our right to know, JF-17 is our pride and it needs to be polished with the truth if it has trophies. Mig-21 Bison is a decent kill but nothing to be too proud of; however, if an MKI was downed by a Thunder using Chinese missiles then the entire world beware and we need to drum it all up with proof.

Imagine the wonders if would do to our egos, to the sale plans of Thunders and to the morale of the entire force (ours and theirs). The silence in this case is CRIMINAL, in my opinion.

Hi,

The nation does not need to know anything other than we shot down more enemy aircraft---that is all---.

You should never let the enemy know which one of your systems has been successful---.

india used the wording "preemptive strikes" against terrorists threats ..... Please try understanding the gravity of that. If that night Pakistan had responded it would have lead to a complete failure /disaster for Pakistan, an inexperienced government looking to secure finances would have crumbled, Pakistan would be facing international backlash and would be going through a political turmoil with frustrated citizens. Our closest allies would have left us alone in that mess. The world would have assumed that Pakistan tried protecting terrorists. No one next morning would have bothered looking at where the indian bombs fell and whether they did any damage or not .... indian media would have made it known "We did preemptive strikes on terrorists and Pakistan tried defending them". The rest we all know what would have unfolded for us.

However, what happened was ALLAH's blessing and aid ...... DG ISPR before the indian media could start its victory campaign, announced it himself that Pakistan airspace was violated and bombs were dropped in random places. Now try what impact this all carried ... Pakistanis may have been feeling frustrated and defeated, but world came to know that india did an act of aggression, this gave some breathing space to newly formed government and grab the opportunity, IK's international standing came in handy, and world slowly accepted that Pakistan reserves the right to respond and retaliate ......... we got an excuse .... and we were able to prove that there were no terrorists and indians lied ...... we managed to isolate india and keep it allies away from supporting it further .... the key is you build a narrative before you go drop bombs near military installations of another country ........ in absence of a war.

If you have missed reading key indians here ..... their narrative was "We have this justification of going after terrorists in your territory ........ what is yours to attack ours?" .... I am grateful to AL MIGHTY it happened in the best possible way for Pakistan and world accepted our narrative. Kashmir got highlighted again as a flashpoint, modi feels frustrated unable to teach Pakistan a lesson for his election campaign, Bippin is missing with his threats of teaching Pakistan a lesson. Russians, Chinese are confident that they have a reliable partner. Minions in neighborhood who before washing their rears in the morning ... would start blaming Pakistan .... have gone into hiding. We may not see those repeated celebrations of 1971 for sometime.

We had a cricketing event during all this conflict, final held in Pakistan .... And Mahtir Mohammad and jets of our friends are here for March 23rd. If this isn't enough for Pakistanis to be content with .... then they really need to seek forgiveness from ALL MIGHTY.

Pakistan Zindabad aur Hamary dost Paindabad .... LONG LIVE PAKISTAN and OUR FRIENDS.




Do I know you?

I hope you have been well. May ALLAH be with you.

Mohtaram the real enemy is in their society ..... If you are still wondering who has called to ban international cricketers from IPL who are also part of PSL ....

G its indian public.



Sir g. ALLAH da wasta nay thora jiya hath hola rakho ..... please at least appreciate that they (Pakistan) had knowledge of whereabouts of the highest possible target. I don't know if that counts as preparedness or not.

Hi,

India may chose whatever words that they might---but when they cross the LOC or the border---with fighter aircraft and declared intentions---then that is an act of war---.

What is wrong with so many of you pakistani kids---.

You have a position of strength---and yet you want to act from a positioin of failure---.

Who teaches you these thing---schools---colleges---parents---uncles---grand parents---where do you get to learn this thing.

And why appreciate at least---is my military a ragtag military that at least it knew---.

It is their job to know---.

What is yourt problem---? You claimed to be the SON OF WARRIORS who conquered the world of ISLAM---so what has happened---?

 

[Silicon0000]

People who think PAF is incompetent on 26 Feb should also think who is incompetent on 27 Feb when PAF shows their competency.

Competency doesn't change in a day.