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The UN does not allow any country to conquer another country but allows countries to secede

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Does this mean over time there would be more and more countries in the world? South Sudan, Kosovo, Montenegro are some of the newest countries. Donbas, Iraqi Kurdistan, Turkish Kurdistan are some of the aspiring new countries.
 
It's not that simple. Most of the time, the seceding nation and the nation that it ceded from are usually left alone to figure out how they're going to go about doing this. If the ceded nation protests, and does not allow independence, there is little the UN can legally do to stop it. Even then, the UNGC must also give a majority vote in order for a successful independent nation. A seceding nation can force the issue through the UN, but if it loses, then that's the end of their ambitions, which is why most separatists tend to not take the UN seriously.

I don't want to get into details, so I won't. I suggest reading up on the subject first, before opening such threads. The title is an over simplification of what the actual rules say.
 
It's not that simple. Most of the time, the seceding nation and the nation that it ceded from are usually left alone to figure out how they're going to go about doing this. If the ceded nation protests, and does not allow independence, there is little the UN can legally do to stop it. Even then, the UNGC must also give a majority vote in order for a successful independent nation. A seceding nation can force the issue through the UN, but if it loses, then that's the end of their ambitions, which is why most separatists tend to not take the UN seriously.

I don't want to get into details, so I won't. I suggest reading up on the subject first, before opening such threads. The title is an over simplification of what the actual rules say.


When the UNGA votes, is it by total population or by number of countries as majority?
 
The UN can only allow or disallow what its most powerful member nations want to. The truth is that UN itself has very, very little power and its just a platform. International Law is what really permits/forbids things, but even then powerfull nations like the US or Russia can practically do what they want.

The title is an over simplification of what the actual rules say.
Exactly this.

When the UNGA votes, is it by total population or by number of countries as majority?
Its by number of countries.
United Nations General Assembly resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
That's like saying China and Nauru have the same voting power o_O
Yes, they do but only in the UNGA, and most of the times in serious situations the UNGA has limited value.

from the UN Charter:
Article 18
  1. Each member of the General Assembly shall have one vote.

Its the UNSC that really matters and they have different rules, for example the 5 Veto countries (US,UK,France,China,Russia) can throw a resolution out just by saying "No", even if the rest of the members say yes. UNSC resolutions are the ones that are taken more seriously.
If you really want to, you can skim through the UN charter and rules etc on their website.

United Nations and the Rule of Law
Charter of the United Nations
 
The UN does not allow any country to conquer another country but allows countries to secede

So, the palestinians should just tell the UN that they want to Secede.
 
So, the palestinians should just tell the UN that they want to Secede.
I don't see why not. It's not like Israel would invade or else Iran would invade Israel.
Unfortunately Israel has an old habit of using UN resolutions as toilet paper. Its not like the UN can do anything to them anyways, the US is on their side.

2013 at the UN: 21 resolutions against Israel, 4 on rest of the world « View from Geneva
List of the UN resolutions concerning Israel and Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Any chance that Texas and California secede from the US in the near future?
 
Any chance that Texas and California secede from the US in the near future?
Anything is possible, though I doubt the US will be breaking apart soon (Maybe in 20-30 years, but not before that)

Relevant to the UN discussion:
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Any chance that Texas and California secede from the US in the near future?
No, These questions was adjudicated and all answered clauses are found in "Texas v. White"
US constitution have strong case of perpetual union and resolution about secession, only the spilling can blood can do.

Canada on the other hand, it doesn't have one. its a loose federation and Quebec has a definite chance.
 
When the UNGA votes, is it by total population or by number of countries as majority?
number of nations. Do you really think they'd carry out a vote of billions of people?
 
UN is 1 vote per country in the General Assembly. Almost everything is non-binding, so it is mostly meaningless debating. Only the internal budget and procedures are binding. Everything else is debating points.
 
No, These questions was adjudicated and all answered clauses are found in "Texas v. White"
US constitution have strong case of perpetual union and resolution about secession, only the spilling can blood can do.

Canada on the other hand, it doesn't have one. its a loose federation and Quebec has a definite chance.
In this case, we're talking about secession through the UN.
 
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