The Ukraine-Russia front escalates further - Putin has refused to agree to remove forces now Ukraine say he has even increased forces at the border

[Battlion25]

The summit didn't yield any results and Putin didn't agree to remove troops due to differences citing the Russians are within their territory
Ukrainian military report says Russia boosted troops to 120,000 near border


By Matthew Chance, CNN

Updated 0957 GMT (1757 HKT) December 9, 2021



Kiev, Ukraine (CNN)Ukrainian defense officials say Russia has increased troop numbers near the Ukrainian border to 120,000 people, including additional army, air force and naval personnel.
According to its latest ongoing security assessment -- shared with CNN by Ukrainian security sources -- the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense said "combat and other military equipment, such as tanks, armed vehicles and 'Iskander' missiles remain near the border of Ukraine," following numerous Russian military exercises.
Russia regularly "redeploys and accumulates its military units to maintain tension in the region," the assessment said, allowing it to "create striking forces rapidly, and lays the ground for quick reinforcement."


Months of steady military increases along the Russia-Ukraine frontier have alarmed Ukrainian and Western officials. CNN reported last week that Russian forces had capabilities in place along the Ukrainian border to carry out a swift and immediate invasion, including erecting supply lines such as medical units and fuel that could sustain a drawn-out conflict.
However, Russian President Vladimir Putin has described the suggestion that Russia would invade Ukraine as "provocative."
"Russia is pursuing a peaceful foreign policy. But it has the right to ensure its safety," he said during a televised news conference on Wednesday, emphasizing the Kremlin's concern at the prospect of Ukraine one day joining NATO.


In a virtual meeting Tuesday that turned tense at times, US President Joe Biden warned Putin about invading Ukraine, and Washington is preparing a series of harsh economic sanctions in the event that Russian forces do attack.
Biden ended the conversation without any further clarity on whether Putin had made up his mind to launch an invasion, US officials said afterward.
Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksiy Reznikov on Monday said the build-up of Russian troops was an attempt to spread fear and unrest in Ukraine, and to prevent Kiev from moving closer toward NATO and membership of the European Union.
"This gathering of their troops alongside of our border, it's a main goal of them to make destabilization process inside of our country, to stop us in our way. But we go into the NATO ally, we're going to EU," Reznikov told CNN.
According to the latest Ukrainian assessment, Russia is also stepping up operations from the neighboring country of Belarus, which borders Ukraine to the north. The report said some units of the Russian army remain near the Russian border with Belarus "at the distance of around 260 km (160 miles) from the state border of Ukraine."

Russia has also intensified its intelligence gathering on Ukraine, the report added, with the number of reconnaissance aircraft flights along the Ukrainian border, above the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov, tripling since the same period last year.
Biden on Wednesday ruled out sending US troops to defend Ukraine in case of a military escalation, though the United States will send small arms and ammunition to Ukrainian defense forces this week as part of a $60 million security assistance package approved earlier this year, according to Pentagon spokesman John Kirby.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is expected to speak with Biden on Thursday.
Additional reporting by CNN's Katharina Krebs in Kiev.

Ukrainian military report says Russia boosted troops to 120,000 near border | CNN

Ukrainian defense officials say Russia has increased troop numbers near the Ukrainian border to 120,000 people, including additional army, air force and naval personnel.

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[aziqbal]

make it 1.2 million Russia has plenty of men and they are mostly conscripts poorly equipped and only for fighting weaker and poorer nations or bomb civilians and kids in Syria

UK is ready and loaded so lets see if Russia makes a move but I highly doubt it as they dont have the stomach to challenge the Royal Navy supremacy in open seas

Northern route is now under full surveillance by the full spectrum of special mission aircraft by both the RN and RAF

 

[Titanium100]

make it 1.2 million Russia has plenty of men and they are mostly conscripts poorly equipped and only for fighting weaker and poorer nations or bomb civilians and kids in Syria

UK is ready and loaded so lets see if Russia makes a move but I highly doubt it as they dont have the stomach to challenge the Royal Navy supremacy in open seas

Northern route is now under full surveillance by the full spectrum of special mission aircraft by both the RN and RAF

I doubt the UK alone wants to butt-heads with Russia

 

[aziqbal]

I doubt the UK alone wants to butt-heads with Russia

The Royal Navy tied down the entire Soviet Northern Fleet for the best part of 45 years during the Cold War

doing the height of the Cold War and Cuban missile crisis RAF V-bombers were on the runways arms with nuclear weapons engines on and ready to take off to nuke all major Soviet cities

The Valiant, Vickers and Vulcans

Today that role is taken over the by the sea based deterrence

no other nation openly confronted USSR like UK

and todays Russia is full of conscripts and there is no missiles in Cuba

 

[imadul]

make it 1.2 million Russia has plenty of men and they are mostly conscripts poorly equipped and only for fighting weaker and poorer nations or bomb civilians and kids in Syria

UK is ready and loaded so lets see if Russia makes a move but I highly doubt it as they dont have the stomach to challenge the Royal Navy supremacy in open seas

Northern route is now under full surveillance by the full spectrum of special mission aircraft by both the RN and RAF

I dont have the tactical expertise at the granular level, but speaking at a higher level, RF, let's call them USSR as they inherited Kremlin and those policies, has fought two WORLD wars, numerous battles with the Ottomon Empire, has reemerged as a power after the military and economic collapse of USSR, has the wherewithal and tools to fight any global battle.
It was Putin of RF which is the power behind to saving Asad regime, has annexed Crimea, and not backing down on Ukraine.

RF is a major force developing hypersonic weapons, long range A2/D2 missile systems like S-400, S-500, and has 25000 tanks/APC.

They have successfully defended Russia (Moscow and stalingrad) against Napolean french invasion and Nazi invasion in the past. RF has the resiliency to face any challenge. No body can predict how war shall begin and if Europe shall come to the defense of Ukraine. I dont think EU and UK shall go beyond supplies and sanctions. US has already said it shall not send troops.

 

[Titanium100]

The Royal Navy tied down the entire Soviet Northern Fleet for the best part of 45 years during the Cold War

doing the height of the Cold War and Cuban missile crisis RAF V-bombers were on the runways arms with nuclear weapons engines on and ready to take off to nuke all major Soviet cities

The Valiant, Vickers and Vulcans

Today that role is taken over the by the sea based deterrence

no other nation openly confronted USSR like UK

and todays Russia is full of conscripts and there is no missiles in Cuba

I dont have the tactical expertise at the granular level, but speaking at a higher level, RF, let's call them USSR as they inherited Kremlin and those policies, has fought two WORLD wars, numerous battles with the Ottomon Empire, has reemerged as a power after the military and economic collapse of USSR, has the wherewithal and tools to fight any global battle.
It was Putin of RF which is the power behind to saving Asad regime, has annexed Crimea, and not backing down on Ukraine.

RF is a major force developing hypersonic weapons, long range A2/D2 missile systems like S-400, S-500, and has 25000 tanks/APC.

They have successfully defended Russia (Moscow and stalingrad) against Napolean french invasion and Nazi invasion in the past. RF has the resiliency to face any challenge. No body can predict how war shall begin and if Europe shall come to the defense of Ukraine. I dont think EU and UK shall go beyond supplies and sanctions. US has already said it shall not send troops.

You are both out of it and on the extreme hyperbolic side of things Russia is not as strong as one of you put it nor is britain match for Russia as the other put it..

 

[imadul]

You are both out of it and on the extreme hyperbolic side of things Russia is not as strong as one of you put it nor is britain match for Russia as the other put it..

You need to be specific how and why Russia is not a major power or weak.
I gave specific historical references from 21st, 20th, and 19th centuries.
RF is not a Superpower like USSR, but Russians are resilient and realistic also, they know when to retreat and save from bigger losses.

 

[SaadH]

make it 1.2 million Russia has plenty of men and they are mostly conscripts poorly equipped and only for fighting weaker and poorer nations or bomb civilians and kids in Syria

UK is ready and loaded so lets see if Russia makes a move but I highly doubt it as they dont have the stomach to challenge the Royal Navy supremacy in open seas

Northern route is now under full surveillance by the full spectrum of special mission aircraft by both the RN and RAF

Yes and UK is going to stop Russia's invasion of Ukraine by launching it's ships and submarinces against the Russian armored columns on the plains of Ukraine....

 

[Titanium100]

You need to be specific how and why Russia is not a major power or weak.
I gave specific historical references from 21st, 20th, and 19th centuries.
RF is not a Superpower like USSR, but Russians are resilient and realistic also, they know when to retreat and save from bigger losses.

Different eras... Aside from the stockpiles if you look at it from a conventional point of view Russia will be bashed in against a wall in this age and time

 

[vostok]

You need to be specific how and why Russia is not a major power or weak.
I gave specific historical references from 21st, 20th, and 19th centuries.
RF is not a Superpower like USSR, but Russians are resilient and realistic also, they know when to retreat and save from bigger losses.

You should also add 18 ct. when Russia defeated two greatest armies of Europe - Sweden and Prussian. And 17 ct. when Russia defeated Eastern European hegemon Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. And 16 ct. when Russia defeated Mongolian Horde successors.

 

[imadul]

You should also add 18 ct. when Russia defeated two greatest armies of Europe - Sweden and Prussian. And 17 ct. when Russia defeated Eastern European hegemon Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. And 16 ct. when Russia defeated Mongolian Horde successors.

History is a big subject...and I just know enough but not a historian...
Golden horde became Muslims under Berke Khan. Ilkhanate and Kwarzam ruled central Asia. Later Ilkhanate was overrun by bolshevik revolution...it all is history now.
RF is a different power now. Orthodox christianity has made a resurrection, so RF character has changed.
RF has annexed Crimea, which was rightfully theirs.
Why RF could go to war over Ukraine?
Because lots of military-industrial assets of USSR era are there?

 

[Battlion25]

You should also add 18 ct. when Russia defeated two greatest armies of Europe - Sweden and Prussian. And 17 ct. when Russia defeated Eastern European hegemon Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. And 16 ct. when Russia defeated Mongolian Horde successors.

The Golden horde did defeat Russia first occupying it for 2-3 centuries until Ivan the Terrible rose up and liberated Russia from the Golden horde

 

[ARMalik]

The Royal Navy tied down the entire Soviet Northern Fleet for the best part of 45 years during the Cold War

doing the height of the Cold War and Cuban missile crisis RAF V-bombers were on the runways arms with nuclear weapons engines on and ready to take off to nuke all major Soviet cities

The Valiant, Vickers and Vulcans

Today that role is taken over the by the sea based deterrence

no other nation openly confronted USSR like UK

and todays Russia is full of conscripts and there is no missiles in Cuba

Key word "Cold War" , which ended 30-Years ago ! since then UK has done tremendously and have become a nation of LBGTs. They cannot fight like "men" anymore.

 

[vostok]

The Golden horde did defeat Russia first occupying it for 2-3 centuries until Ivan the Terrible rose up and liberated Russia from the Golden horde

It was Mongolian Horde (Empire) who conquered Rus in 13 ct. In excuse to Russia I must say it was dozens of small Russian principalities, not a united single state in those times. But Mongols were so powerful I do not know if Rus could defeat them even in it's golden era in 11 ct.
By the way, it was Ivan The Great (the 3d, not the 4th one) who liberated Russia in 1480. Ivan the 4th, grandson of Ivan the Great, was the one who conquered most of Golden Horde remnants, except for Crimean Chanate.

History is a big subject...and I just know enough but not a historian...
Golden horde became Muslims under Berke Khan. Ilkhanate and Kwarzam ruled central Asia. Later Ilkhanate was overrun by bolshevik revolution...it all is history now.
RF is a different power now. Orthodox christianity has made a resurrection, so RF character has changed.
RF has annexed Crimea, which was rightfully theirs.
Why RF could go to war over Ukraine?
Because lots of military-industrial assets of USSR era are there?

It is all big fat Western fakes about Russia is preparing to invade Ukraine. They constantly saying this for 7 years already. People of the free world (I call all independent, not enslaved by USA countries the free world) usually understand when Western fake-makers, so called "media', spreading fakes about their countries. But the same people tend to believe in fakes that Western "media" spreading about other free countries, be it Russia or Pakistan, or China etc.