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THE TURKISH ARMY, A GIANT WITH CLAY FEET
FEBRUARY 20, 2018 STRATEGIKA51


The second NATO Army, backed by local proxy forces on the ground, wades for a month in front of a small border enclave defended by a militia for the control of 12% of the locality. The Turkish Army is not really what it was in Gallipoli.

The battle for control of Afrin in Syria has just confirmed the mismanagement within the Turkish armed forces since the failed coup against President Erdogan and the terrible purges that decimated the Turkish military elites.

Using F-16 fighter jets, German-made Leopard 2 tanks and the US-designed M-60 alongside the rebels of the Free Syrian Army franchise, the Turks were unable to storm a small enclave. Border located a stone's throw from their territory and this does not prevent Erdogan to threaten Damascus with an invasion to Homs (central Syria) if Syrian troops would ever help the YPG defending Afrin or walk triumphantly on Minbej where are stationed American forces supposedly allied.

Turkey has a very rich and impressive military history, especially when it was the metropolis of the Ottoman Empire. However, the current Turkish Army appears to be a giant with clay feet, suffering from a clear deficiency in command and leadership.

Certainly, even in the state, this Army can easily gain the upper hand in the event of a possible confrontation with a Syrian Army drained and worn out by seven years of total war, but at the price of a general mobilization, the employment of four to five complete divisions and the acceptance of heavy losses by Ankara.

By relying exclusively on intelligence and police forces to weaken the Army, Erdogan strengthened his internal power but lost the military tool. The case of Afrin is the illustration.

The purges within the armed forces have always disrupted the military command and precipitated defeats in the event of conflict.

In 193p, a Red Army that suffered from Stalin's purges proved incapable of overcoming the tenacity of the Finns, raising the astonishment of a Germany that decided to invade the USSR a year and a half later.
 
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The progress is slow but steady so far, every day a couple villages come under Turkish control, ypg suffered heavy losses and is in a state where they are almost willing to hand over the control back to assad.
Its a mountainous area with fortifications where ypg was building bunkers and tunnels since 2015 after all but Turkey has time so why rushing?
 
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Outsiders with no ethics can't understand Turkish sensivity towards civilian life thus they think Turkish army is incapable. We will never leave hundreds of innocent deads behind us just like Assad, Russia or Usa.
 
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Lets compare recent Turkish offensive in Afrin and Assadist in Ghouta.

Turks captured about 20% of mountain region inflicting very low civilian casualties:

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Assadists slaughtered over 300 civilians but did not advance even 1 meter so far.


Afrin in he middle of Turkish offensive:

Ghouta:
 
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Lets compare recent Turkish offensive in Afrin and Assadist in Ghouta.

Turks captured about 20% of mountain region inflicting very low civilian casualties:

DWpq3sXWkAEG7w-.jpg



Assadists slaughtered over 300 civilians but did not advance even 1 meter so far.


Afrin in he middle of Turkish offensive:

Ghouta:

Ghouta is under air strikes and attack since Years now... They took almost nothing...
Only able to kill thousands and thousands of civilians...Gassed them and that's it...

ASSad+Iran+RU and still nothing... Quite an Humiliation tbh... Against few guys with AKs and homemade DIY shells/rockets...

For this ongoing op...they called the equivalent of 3 Fronts Division!!! 3!
The Palmyre one/Idlib one and Aleppo one... against few hundreds with Aks...
I said called... But you get the Damascus Division..;that was already there...

And last... The city is "FLATTEN" since years of airstrikes... and still can't take a meter...
 
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The progress is slow but steady so far, every day a couple villages come under Turkish control, ypg suffered heavy losses and is in a state where they are almost willing to hand over the control back to assad.
Its a mountainous area with fortifications where ypg was building bunkers and tunnels since 2015 after all but Turkey has time so why rushing?

There is no any pattern(s) to back that title up in the news, nevertheless, your attempt to make a pattern against is appreciated unlike the writer of that news.

Anyway, there was no any army with a decent military doctrine, therefore most part of the land called Syria was under control of a recently-poped up group among those mighty proxies backed by some with almost-none military doctrine, as the map before/after Russian can simply prove despite many civilian casualities and a shot-down plane by a country with a decent military doctrine along with other specialities.

That could have made the confusion for the writer in the analogy in the news with a cheap title.
 
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THE TURKISH ARMY, A GIANT WITH CLAY FEET
FEBRUARY 20, 2018 STRATEGIKA51


The second NATO Army, backed by local proxy forces on the ground, wades for a month in front of a small border enclave defended by a militia for the control of 12% of the locality. The Turkish Army is not really what it was in Gallipoli.

The battle for control of Afrin in Syria has just confirmed the mismanagement within the Turkish armed forces since the failed coup against President Erdogan and the terrible purges that decimated the Turkish military elites.

Using F-16 fighter jets, German-made Leopard 2 tanks and the US-designed M-60 alongside the rebels of the Free Syrian Army franchise, the Turks were unable to storm a small enclave. Border located a stone's throw from their territory and this does not prevent Erdogan to threaten Damascus with an invasion to Homs (central Syria) if Syrian troops would ever help the YPG defending Afrin or walk triumphantly on Minbej where are stationed American forces supposedly allied.

Turkey has a very rich and impressive military history, especially when it was the metropolis of the Ottoman Empire. However, the current Turkish Army appears to be a giant with clay feet, suffering from a clear deficiency in command and leadership.

Certainly, even in the state, this Army can easily gain the upper hand in the event of a possible confrontation with a Syrian Army drained and worn out by seven years of total war, but at the price of a general mobilization, the employment of four to five complete divisions and the acceptance of heavy losses by Ankara.

By relying exclusively on intelligence and police forces to weaken the Army, Erdogan strengthened his internal power but lost the military tool. The case of Afrin is the illustration.

The purges within the armed forces have always disrupted the military command and precipitated defeats in the event of conflict.

In 193p, a Red Army that suffered from Stalin's purges proved incapable of overcoming the tenacity of the Finns, raising the astonishment of a Germany that decided to invade the USSR a year and a half later.
Does this author even have a name ?

Or just another nobody from the net ? Maybe Ceylal himself ? :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
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Does this author even have a name ?

Or just another nobody from the net ? Maybe Ceylal himself ? :lol::lol::lol::lol:
The only thing that came to my mind is how narrow minded the author must be, ''progress is slow so it must be bad'', not even considering tactics, terrain, doctrines, 3rd players etc. etc. there are many factors.

Otherwise Turkey is more than capable of bombing whole Afrin region to oblivion without even setting foot inside Syria.
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Edit: wait a second, here some info about the author...

Strategika51

Πάντα ῥεῖ (Panta Rhei): "Tout s'écoule"/"Everything flows"-Héraclite/Heraclitus

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Its a Greek hobby geostrategist so basically a nobody... :coffee:
 
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The progress is slow but steady so far, every day a couple villages come under Turkish control, ypg suffered heavy losses and is in a state where they are almost willing to hand over the control back to assad.
Its a mountainous area with fortifications where ypg was building bunkers and tunnels since 2015 after all but Turkey has time so why rushing?

You're right turkey doesn't need to rush, but you see these turkish hypernationalist newspapers and officials talking about how Turkey can invade eastern europe in 6 days which is a joke at best.
 
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Lets compare recent Turkish offensive in Afrin and Assadist in Ghouta.

Turks captured about 20% of mountain region inflicting very low civilian casualties:

DWpq3sXWkAEG7w-.jpg



Assadists slaughtered over 300 civilians but did not advance even 1 meter so far.


Afrin in he middle of Turkish offensive:

Ghouta:
Assad and his shia's militias seem to be very incompetent to be honest. Without Russia's intervention and heavy Aerial bombing and logistical/advisory support along with boots on the ground then Assad would have long lost the war and fled the country.
 
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You're right turkey doesn't need to rush, but you see these turkish hypernationalist newspapers and officials talking about how Turkey can invade eastern europe in 6 days which is a joke at best.
So? Take Iranian media, there are also some pearls to laugh about, is this the place to discuss this?
 
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You're right turkey doesn't need to rush, but you see these turkish hypernationalist newspapers and officials talking about how Turkey can invade eastern europe in 6 days which is a joke at best.
hmmm.....I don't think any sane official can make such claims. Any proof?
 
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You have a few options

1- Bomb the hell out of everything in your path.
You kill many, end up with a bombed out crater but win quickly

2- Take your time
Go slowly, avoide unnecessary civilian deaths,
Try to minimise unnecessary destruction to land and property
It takes alot of time but lets bitches question your capabilities

Turkey is doing fine! Target and degrade the kurds and take the area slowly
 
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hmmm.....I don't think any sane official can make such claims. Any proof?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/837041/Turkey-shock-threat-Germany-EU-war-France-Erdogan-storm

Turkish media is all controlled by Erdogan, He should know. He owns most of them.
So? Take Iranian media, there are also some pearls to laugh about, is this the place to discuss this?

Its nothing compared to what comes out of Turkey. Iran doesn't claim to invade Europe in a few days and never has.
 
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