The Truth About Mumbai Attacks (Indias Hindu Radicals Responsible)

[Vinod2070]

^^ Does the Kasab's letter count as evidence?

 

[Flintlock]

Hogwash - show me one thing India has done to 'cooperate' with Pakistan.

She has refused to share evidence, she has refused to allow Pakistani interrogations or access to the captured terrorist to verify claims, she has refused to be part of a joint investigation.

At the same time, while refusing to share any information whatsoever with Pakistan, she has demanded 'Pakistan pursue evidence'.

It is time for India to shift from her 'non-cooperative course' and engae with Pakistani instead of continuing with the bluster and belligerence that has characterized her attitude since the Mumbai attacks.

Pakistan took the first steps towards cooperation by detaining Hafiz Saeed and Lakshvi, the latter alleged to be the mastermind behind the Mumbai attacks, and banning the JuD and seizing many of its assets. She asked for India to join a 'joint investigation' to prosecute the suspects and cooperate and share evidence to that end. Nothing has been forthcoming from India on that count.

India has not refused to share evidence. Infact Mukherjee said that they would be happy to hand over evidence once the investigations are complete.

Pakistan did take a few steps, but only because USA, EU, UN were leaning on it, and not because of any sincere intentions.

The "Joint Investigation" offer is what is hogwash, as seen by the actions in Ajmal's hometown.

Pakistan knows fully well that a joint investigation is meaningless if the investigating party is also potentially the guilty party.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

^^ Does the Kasab's letter count as evidence?

Being discussed here:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...tter-pakistan-high-commissioner-new-post.html

India has not refused to share evidence. Infact Mukherjee said that they would be happy to hand over evidence once the investigations are complete.

Pakistan did take a few steps, but only because USA, EU, UN were leaning on it, and not because of any sincere intentions.

The "Joint Investigation" offer is what is hogwash, as seen by the actions in Ajmal's hometown.

Pakistan knows fully well that a joint investigation is meaningless if the investigating party is also potentially the guilty party.

Pakistan took action despite the continued lack of cooperation from India and the refusal to share evidence. That was a sign of good faith.

You can interpret Pakistan acting on the UN ban on the JuD as you like, but unlike India's refusal to implement the UNSC resolutions, Pakistan respected her commitment to the UN charter as a member and acted on the UN's recommendations.

If you accept that India has not completed investigations, and that her leadership has indicated that they will share evidence with Pakistan when investigations are complete, then why this brouhaha over 'Pakistan do more'?

If India hasn't even completed the investigation then what should Pakistan do, go around arresting people and throwing them in jail based on media reports?

Your last statement is nothing but BS speculation - you have conjured up institutional guilt on the part of Pakistan, despite there being absolutely no credible evidence behind such an accusation, and then used BS speculation as a rationale for not cooperating, despite earlier having accepted that India herself has not completed investigations and will share evidence when it does.

Stop tying yourself in knots - If Mukherjee has acepted that India has not completed investigations and will share evidence when the process is complete, then India should shut up and do what it has said.

 

[Solomon2]

She has refused to share evidence, she has refused to allow Pakistani interrogations or access to the captured terrorist to verify claims, she has refused to be part of a joint investigation.

I draw a distinction between words and reality. Those whose words do not accord with reality deserve less dignity than those that do. For example, Pakistan and India have had an agreement to share intelligence on drug trafficking since 2004, but India claims (and Pakistan does not deny) that in every case once intel was shared with Pakistan, the Pakistanis would return empty-handed, claiming to know nothing. Yet it is stupid to assume that the Indians did not insert a few control tests in such exchanges, things they knew the Pakistanis must know and should report back upon, if only because the Indians, through their agents, supplied the info to Pakistanis themselves.

In short, the Indians have known for some time that their Pakistani counterparts are lying to them - and have convinced everyone else of this as well. So it is Pakistan that must cooperate with Indian requests, not the other way 'round, and the world is on India's side here - apparently India is not the only country to have such a disappointing experience.

It is not clear how allowing Pakistani personnel access to the terrorist would facilitate an investigation when so much other material is available; the natural suspicion is that Pakistani intelligence would seek some way to eliminate Kasab to better hide its tracks. Pakistan did not demonstrate "good will" by its actions thus far; instead, the impression is that of a tortoise retreating into its shell.

Give in now. Now, while you can still retain a shred of cover, and the segment of Pakistan's citizenry who voted in elections in favor of a just state operating under the law, the very glue of the realm, won't feel betrayed. Otherwise, you'll be riding the Milosevic train to destruction: a series of tactical political victories that become meaningless as wider support slips away, leaving a hard core inside an empty shell, a nut just begging to be cracked apart.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

So it is Pakistan that must cooperate with Indian requests, not the other way 'round, and the world is on India's side here

To do so we would need the very same processes and exchanges of information that were reportedly offered before and not acted upon.

If evidence was allegedly not acted upon before, there is no miraculous way to get convictions in court without evidence this time around. Pakistan's sincerity to cooperate should be judged by whether or not it acts on the evidence provided against the perpetrators of the Mumbai attacks, which India has refused to do so far.

You have not indicated anything that India has done after the Mumbai attacks to cooperate, which I will take as validation of my point that India has been the cause behind the lack of progress on the Mumbai atacks.

the natural suspicion is that Pakistani intelligence would seek some way to eliminate Kasab to better hide its tracks.

Indeed, an official ISI/FIA investigative team is going to act as a hit squad under the noses of the entire Indian security apparatus.

Pakistan will demonstrate her good will by acting on the credible information and evidence on the Mumbai attacks that is shared with her, which is as of yet nowhere in sight.

Pakistan is rebuilding her institutional strength. Actions without evidence, without resort to due process and the circumvention of the constitution and rule of law is what has caused so much decay in Pakistan. To 'give in' as you suggest, and bypass the constitutional systems and process is what will lead to Pakistan's downfall.

India is welcome to join the investigation and share evidence and go through the Pakistani process, it is not welcome to demand her own Gitmo's and extraordinary renditions.

 

[Solomon2]

Pakistan's sincerity to cooperate should be judged by whether or not it acts on the evidence provided against the perpetrators of the Mumbai attacks

No, sir. Pakistan must be far more pro-active than that. Justly or not, matters have reached the point where people who hear this automatically think, "Aha, you see this, the Pakis aren't going to give up using their "stateless actors" to commit terror."

It was a good start to promise to send the head of the ISI to India. Everyone knows that matters went far downhill from there. Pakistan isn't seen as taking people into custody (often very loose custody) to prosecute them as criminals, but to hide them from justice. Surely by now Pakistan's law enforcement has procured information that would either clear those detained or give grounds for prosecution - but NOTHING has been forthcoming. Unh-uh, I'm not biting.

an official ISI/FIA investigative team is going to act as a hit squad -

I admit to bias here: I feel too many prominent Pakistanis have conveniently died of "natural causes", especially heart attacks. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd rather not risk it.

Actions without evidence, without resort to due process and the circumvention of the constitution and rule of law

Didn't "due process" vanish the moment extradition of suspects was unconditionally ruled out in favor of sequestering them and halting or obstructing the domestic criminal investigative process?

Besides, if Pakistan continues to hold to its current attitude, what other conclusion can there be other than that Pakistan holds itself to be a state that breeds and conceals terrorists behind its nuclear shield, assuring the terror masters that they can attack outsiders with impunity, to their own profit? If that is deliberate, it is abhorrent; if it is not deliberate, it points to a weakness in state institutions that must be remedied, either by Pakistan taking action itself or outsiders doing so.

In short, it isn't that Pakistan's institutions have to be "rebuilt". It is that Pakistan must change if it is going to be considered a responsible member of the world community. Otherwise, few will be willing to turn an ear towards Pakistan's complaints of Indian encroachment or ill-behavior - even when such complaints are justified.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Pakistan's sincerity to cooperate should be judged by whether or not it acts on the evidence provided against the perpetrators of the Mumbai attacks

No, sir. Pakistan must be far more pro-active than that. Justly or not, matters have reached the point where people who hear this automatically think, "Aha, you see this, the Pakis aren't going to give up using their "stateless actors" to commit terror."

It was a good start to promise to send the head of the ISI to India. Everyone knows that matters went far downhill from there. Pakistan isn't seen as taking people into custody (often very loose custody) to prosecute them as criminals, but to hide them from justice. Surely by now Pakistan's law enforcement has procured information that would either clear those detained or give grounds for prosecution - but NOTHING has been forthcoming. Unh-uh, I'm not biting.

I disagree that it was a good idea to send the DG ISI to India, and I have yet to see a logical explanation as to why a change in mind on that count would be precursor to the relationship going downhill. The DG ISI is not a 'criminal investigator', nor would he have been able to assist the investigation in any tangible manner, especially in those early hours - besides, the foreign minister of Pakistan was already in India to convey any information to the GoI on an official level.

Pakistan has already done quite a bit with very little evidence or cooperation from India's side, with respect to the Mumbai attacks. The detention of Hafiz Saeed, Lakshvi and others after the military raid on the camp in AK, along with the banning and seizure of the JuD's assets is evidence enough on that count.

The logical next step here is to prove the complicity of these individuals in the Mumbai attacks in a court of law. That cannot be done unless the Indian's are willing to share evidence and cooperate, and if Flint was correct, the Indians haven't even finished their own investigations on that count, so what has been done so far is sufficient.

an official ISI/FIA investigative team is going to act as a hit squad -

I admit to bias here: I feel too many prominent Pakistanis have conveniently died of "natural causes", especially heart attacks. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd rather not risk it.

And I'll file that excuse for not allowing access to the captured terrorist away in the 'Mossad carried out 911' and 'UFO's captured' file.

Didn't "due process" vanish the moment extradition of suspects was unconditionally ruled out in favor of sequestering them and halting or obstructing the domestic criminal investigative process?

Besides, if Pakistan continues to hold to its current attitude, what other conclusion can there be other than that Pakistan holds itself to be a state that breeds and conceals terrorists behind its nuclear shield, assuring the terror masters that they can attack outsiders with impunity, to their own profit? If that is deliberate, it is abhorrent; if it is not deliberate, it points to a weakness in state institutions that must be remedied, either by Pakistan taking action itself or outsiders doing so.

In short, it isn't that Pakistan's institutions have to be "rebuilt". It is that Pakistan must change if it is going to be considered a responsible member of the world community. Otherwise, few will be willing to turn an ear towards Pakistan's complaints of Indian encroachment or ill-behavior - even when such complaints are justified.

The extradition of suspects, in the absence of any extradition treaty with India and in the absence of any evidence justifying arrest and extradition, would be a violation of due process. The constitution also provides for preventative detention "to deal with persons acting in a manner prejudicial to the integrity, security or defence of Pakistan or any part thereof, or external affairs of Pakistan, or public order".

The current attitude is one of followng the laws of the land and due process in prosecuting these individuals. Pakistan has not at any point stated that it will not act, it has reiterated that it will act provided evidence is given to it and it has detained the primary suspects in the Mumbai attacks to indicate her sincerity in cooperating.

I fail to see what exactly in this position you see as 'concealing terrorism', unless you subscribe to the POV that laws, constitutions and the right to be proved guilty in a fair trial do not count.

Pakistan's institutions are indeed what need to be rebuilt since it is the decay of institutions, political, governance, judicial and law enforcement that has allowed for poor redressal of public grievances and issues, providing a fertile ground fro extremism, and a poor mechanism for putting the 'genie back in the bottle'.

Those institutions cannot be rebuilt if they are undermined at every turn, by both external and domestic actors. Creating Gitmo's and practicing extraordinary renditions at the behest of India would be a continuation of the undermining of Pakistani institutions.

Pakistan has offered joint investigations and it has offered to act upon credible evidence within the Pakistani system. It is up to India now to decide whether it wants to continue to rant, rave and threaten, or engage with Pakistan to come up with a joint mechanism, that perhaps includes LEA's from the US and UK in some capacity, to ensure the guilty get their due.

 

[Prodigy17]

I draw a distinction between words and reality. Those whose words do not accord with reality deserve less dignity than those that do. For example, Pakistan and India have had an agreement to share intelligence on drug trafficking since 2004, but India claims (and Pakistan does not deny) that in every case once intel was shared with Pakistan, the Pakistanis would return empty-handed, claiming to know nothing. Yet it is stupid to assume that the Indians did not insert a few control tests in such exchanges, things they knew the Pakistanis must know and should report back upon, if only because the Indians, through their agents, supplied the info to Pakistanis themselves.

First, why don't you indians do away with your dirty old trick of putting pakistani flags in your profiles or putting muslim names to add weight to your arguments. Its a shame.... hey mods, pay attention to this.
Next, stop day dreaming.... its not Pakistan but india which had been dragging its feet on the evidence provided by Pakistan not only on terrorism but also on drug trafficking etc. If anything, inaction was mutual on both sides, so stop this diatribe and get rid of your sanctimonious attitude for any meaning ful exchange.

In short, the Indians have known for some time that their Pakistani counterparts are lying to them - and have convinced everyone else of this as well. So it is Pakistan that must cooperate with Indian requests, not the other way 'round, and the world is on India's side here - apparently India is not the only country to have such a disappointing experience.

And Pakistanis all this time were convinced of indian sincereity in pursuing the evidence presented to the them against involvement of their state and non state actors......... Apparently, Pakistan is not the only country to have had this experience of hypocritical indian attitude, infact all neighbours of india have suffered at their hands one way or the other.

It is not clear how allowing Pakistani personnel access to the terrorist would facilitate an investigation when so much other material is available; the natural suspicion is that Pakistani intelligence would seek some way to eliminate Kasab to better hide its tracks. Pakistan did not demonstrate "good will" by its actions thus far; instead, the impression is that of a tortoise retreating into its shell.

Yeah, you are right here. Keeping in view the capability displayed by indian law enforcement and military elite, it is very much possible that Pakistani sleuths will be able to kill the terrorist right in the middle of investigations infront of indian law enforcement.
Infact, it is india which has failed to demonstrate goodwill and sanity ( bcoz it probably doesn't exist) on any account and thus far the impression is of "pot calling the kettle black".

Give in now. Now, while you can still retain a shred of cover, and the segment of Pakistan's citizenry who voted in elections in favor of a just state operating under the law, the very glue of the realm, won't feel betrayed. Otherwise, you'll be riding the Milosevic train to destruction: a series of tactical political victories that become meaningless as wider support slips away, leaving a hard core inside an empty shell, a nut just begging to be cracked apart.

Hey, spare us of your BS harangue. Milosevic train of destruction....... my foot.... instead of treating us with your ludicrous rants, go sort your own house. I have said it before, i will repeat it for your consumption.... It is india which is sitting on the ticking time bomb of persecuted minorities, one spark and your India would turn into so many pieces that it will be difficult for you to count or collect together. If LeT can allegedly do what it did in mumbai, it is only pipsqueaks like you who dont understand what Pakistan or ISI can do to india in response to any ill advised misadventure. Brace yourself, the ride from there on will be hardly comparable to the worst possible roller coaster ride that is possible in your wildest imagination.

 

[Prodigy17]

No, sir. Pakistan must be far more pro-active than that. Justly or not, matters have reached the point where people who hear this automatically think, "Aha, you see this, the Pakis aren't going to give up using their "stateless actors" to commit terror."

Yeah, far more active. I suggest putting everyone sporting a beard in the jails for a start...... side splitting comedy this is............. Infact, the point has reached, where people in Pakistan, sane people in India and the west is also slowly going to realize, in the wake of their renewed interest in domestic indian affairs after mumbai blasts that, "Aha, you see this, the hindus aren't going to give up their habit of blaming even the latest case of HIV on Pakistan and ISI".

It was a good start to promise to send the head of the ISI to India. Everyone knows that matters went far downhill from there. Pakistan isn't seen as taking people into custody (often very loose custody) to prosecute them as criminals, but to hide them from justice. Surely by now Pakistan's law enforcement has procured information that would either clear those detained or give grounds for prosecution - but NOTHING has been forthcoming. Unh-uh, I'm not biting.

Yes, you are.... Now, how on earth you expect Pakistan to prosecute those alleged terrorists(remember, innocent unless proven guilty). unless, ofcourse we open a gitmo and keep them there without trial to appease hindu fascists. If you are counting on the evidence given to security council sub commitee, i assure you that won't even stand initial scrutiny in a court of law, not even indian one. Do i need to remind you about the 2002 parliament attack blamed on Pakistan. Have you bothered to check what is the outcome???? has india proved its case against Pakistan even in indian court of law???? go avail yourself of some background to the issues before posing like an authentic commentator. If indians have not even completed their investigation of the incident (mumbai) which happened on their soil, how on earth they expect Pakistan to investigate without any evidence provided by host country and incarcerate them without conviction????? Are you living in a land, where the law of jungle rules??????

I admit to bias here: I feel too many prominent Pakistanis have conveniently died of "natural causes", especially heart attacks. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd rather not risk it.

yeah, that will be bad, won't it be???????

Didn't "due process" vanish the moment extradition of suspects was unconditionally ruled out in favor of sequestering them and halting or obstructing the domestic criminal investigative process?

Some times, i wonder how difficult it is for dunces to understand that Pakistan does not have any extradition treaty with India and the main hurdle to that was again India and not Pakistan. you don't expect india to handover the likes of Advani and Thackery (junior and senior) to Pakistan at the cost concomitant blood bath in India, do you???????

Besides, if Pakistan continues to hold to its current attitude, what other conclusion can there be other than that Pakistan holds itself to be a state that breeds and conceals terrorists behind its nuclear shield, assuring the terror masters that they can attack outsiders with impunity, to their own profit? If that is deliberate, it is abhorrent; if it is not deliberate, it points to a weakness in state institutions that must be remedied, either by Pakistan taking action itself or outsiders doing so.

Pakistan continues to hold this attitude because it is not bound by any international law or bilateral treaty to do what india wants.... plain and simple. On the contrary, it is india which has been the breeding ground of hindu fundamentalism and terrorism that is consuming the very core of india....not to forget the ripe condition of minorites particularly muslims, for recruitment by al qaeeda and likes. Ever heard about SIMI and Indian mujahideen. The difference between both these type of terrorists is that the former category (Hindu terrorists) operates in the power corridors of India and enjoys state protection for all its pogroms againt muslims, dalits and christians.

In short, it isn't that Pakistan's institutions have to be "rebuilt". It is that Pakistan must change if it is going to be considered a responsible member of the world community. Otherwise, few will be willing to turn an ear towards Pakistan's complaints of Indian encroachment or ill-behavior - even when such complaints are justified

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History will repeat itself instead.... it will be india rushing to world whinning and crying against Pakistani misbehaviour against what would be left of India after such encroachment.

 

[Solomon2]

I disagree that it was a good idea to send the DG ISI to India, and I have yet to see a logical explanation as to why a change in mind on that count would be precursor to the relationship going downhill.

The DG ISI was just appointed by the Zardari government, right? Any information India gives to him personally will be applied to reinforce Pakistan's shaky democratic roots. A lower-ranking official lacks direct accountability, and his loyalties are more open to question.

Pakistan has already done quite a bit with very little evidence or cooperation from India's side, with respect to the Mumbai attacks. The detention of Hafiz Saeed, Lakshvi and others after the military raid -

Right now it looks more to me like protective custody (loose at that), for their seems to be no prospect of charges being filed. I note that The Guardian reports that police are being hamstrung by orders from higher-ups.

The extradition of suspects, in the absence of any extradition treaty with India and in the absence of any evidence justifying arrest and extradition, would be a violation of due process. The constitution also provides for preventative detention "to deal with persons acting in a manner prejudicial to the integrity, security or defence of Pakistan or any part thereof, or external affairs of Pakistan, or public order".

This is indeed a strong argument. Yet it immediately begs the questions of what evidence would you consider necessary and sufficient to prove India's accusation that (1) the terrorists came from Pakistan, and (2) the Pakistani government was involved? To this I have not heard any answer.

Pakistan's institutions are indeed what need to be rebuilt since it is the decay of institutions, political, governance, judicial and law enforcement that has allowed for poor redressal of public grievances and issues

Rebuilt to what standard? 2002? 1999? 1977? 1971? 1958? 1948? Did a Pakistan ever exist that didn't have "decaying institutions", other than military ones?

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

MUMBAI INCIDENT IS PLOT CREATED BY THOSE WHO DONT WANT TO SEE BOTH INDIA AND PAKISTAN HAVING FRIENDLY TIES WITH EACH OTHER. THEIR PRIME TARGET IS PAKISTAN AND FOR THAT THEY USING THE INDIAN CARD

To me, I confess, [countries] are pieces on a chessboard upon which is being played out a game for dominion of the world.”Lord Curzon, viceroy of India, speaking about Afghanistan, 1898

 

[Prodigy17]

The DG ISI was just appointed by the Zardari government, right? Any information India gives to him personally will be applied to reinforce Pakistan's shaky democratic roots. A lower-ranking official lacks direct accountability, and his loyalties are more open to question.

Get your facts right, DG ISI was appointed by Kayani. You tend to think that in the entire ISI, it is only the DG who is loyal to the government.....ridiculous and churlish argument indeed...... so he is the one who is doing everything in ISI because no one else can be trusted and one guy runs the show. your lack of sagacity is contrary to your pompous style.

Right now it looks more to me like protective custody (loose at that), for their seems to be no prospect of charges being filed. I note that The Guardian reports that police are being hamstrung by orders from higher-ups.

Damn right, it is that and if no proof is forthcoming from india, they should and must be released. No government can persecute its citizens merely because some mad neighbour doesn't like their face.

This is indeed a strong argument. Yet it immediately begs the questions of what evidence would you consider necessary and sufficient to prove India's accusation that (1) the terrorists came from Pakistan, and (2) the Pakistani government was involved? To this I have not heard any answer.

Regarding your first question, 9/11 attackers came almost entirely from Saudi Arabia and their big boss was Saudi too, so was it Saudi which was attacked by americans????? Damn wrong!!! afghanistan and iraq were attacked. even if attacker came from Pakistan, it doesn't prove a squat.....Regarding your second question, Are you as dumb as you appear through your posts or you merely pose as one. Since day one of this attack, your beloved politicians from hindustan have been saying that state or even institutions of the state were not involved instead "elements" from Pakistan were involved.
I hope you have got your answer, now if you have some modicum of logic and sanity left after having undergone indian propaganda crash course, go figure it out......

Prodigy17
Proud Pakistani

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The DG ISI was just appointed by the Zardari government, right? Any information India gives to him personally will be applied to reinforce Pakistan's shaky democratic roots. A lower-ranking official lacks direct accountability, and his loyalties are more open to question.

The Foreign Minister is a party stalwart, and a very high ranking government official. His presence was more than sufficient.

Right now it looks more to me like protective custody (loose at that), for their seems to be no prospect of charges being filed. I note that The Guardian reports that police are being hamstrung by orders from higher-ups.

Charges cannot be filed until India shares evidence, which Mukherjee has apparently stated will not happen until the investigation is complete. I am not certain but the law allows for preventative detention up to 3 months I believe.

This is indeed a strong argument. Yet it immediately begs the questions of what evidence would you consider necessary and sufficient to prove India's accusation that (1) the terrorists came from Pakistan, and (2) the Pakistani government was involved? To this I have not heard any answer.

India has whatever evidence she has - not what we say she should have. Whatever evidence is needed for a successful prosecution will depend upon the investigators, hence the need to collaborate and possibly even bring in the Yanks and Brits as advisers or some other capacity to help overcome the distrust perhaps.

Unfortunately the environment is getting poisoned more and more every day, which will limit the flexibility of both governments on these issues .

Rebuilt to what standard? 2002? 1999? 1977? 1971? 1958? 1948? Did a Pakistan ever exist that didn't have "decaying institutions", other than military ones?

In phases yes - the Chaudhry Supreme Court in 2007 for example was one phase of judicial autonomy and efficiency. It was quite remarkable how many Pakistanis had faith and trust in the judiciary at that point.

But to address your larger point, you are correct - many of Pakistan's institutions have never quite managed to get to a point that one could yearn for.

Nonetheless, even if the goal here is not to 'rebuild', but to build anew, one cannot start that process by resorting to the very things (undermining the rule of law and circumventing the constitution) that have prevented the growth of strong institutions in the first place.

 

[haviZsultan]

Beijing, Dec 23 (PTI) China today appealed to India and Pakistan to maintain calm and work together to investigate the "cause" of the terror attack on Mumbai and "identify its mastermind." "We hope to see the improvement of Indian-Pakistani relations," Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang told a regular press conference responding to questions on the South Asia situation in the aftermath of the November 26 terrorist attacks in Mumbai.
Qin said that the identity of the mastermind of the Mumbai attacks "awaited further investigation by concerned countries," indicating that Beijing was still unsure about New Delhi's assertion that all the 10 attackers were Pakistanis.

He called on India and Pakistan to "work together through peaceful consultations to investigate the cause of the attacks and combat terrorism," the official Xinhua news agency reported.

"We hope the region will maintain its peace and stability," Qin said.

He said the improvement and development of the relationship between India and Pakistan, both important nations in South Asia, would help regional peace and stability.

China would, as always, support efforts by both countries to improve bilateral relations and safeguard regional peace, Qin said.

He noted that China had strongly denounced the Mumbai attacks.

"We agree that the international community should cooperate to fight terrorism," Qin said. PTI

Interpol chief says India yet to provide evidence

ISLAMABAD, Dec 23: Interpol’s secretary-general Ronald Noble said here on Tuesday that India had not provided to him names of suspects and evidences about last month’s terrorist attacks in Mumbai.

Addressing a joint press conference with Adviser to the Prime Minister Rehman Malik at the Interior Ministry, Mr Noble indicated that India did not want Interpol’s help and a joint probe into the case.

The Interpol chief arrived in Islamabad from New Delhi where he offered assistance in investigating the Mumbai terrorist attacks.

Mr Noble did not say why India had turned down the offer but it is believed that India does not want any person or institution to delve into a ‘conspiracy theory’ relating to the killing of Mumbai Anti-Terrorist Squad chief Hemant Karkare, who was investigating the high-profile case of Samjhauta Express bombing in which over 60 people, mostly Pakistanis, were killed on February 19 last year.

There are reports that the Indian government has refused to separately investigate the killing of Mr Karkare and suggestions that it was a part of conspiracy against him.

When asked what evidence India had provided in connection with Mumbai shootout, the Interpol chief said he had not been given any significant information. “I have as much information as you have in Pakistan,” he added.

Rehman Malik said the Foreign Office had received a letter reportedly written by Amir Ajmal Kasab, seeking legal assistance.

“The letter is being examined by experts and the Foreign Office would issue a statement about it. However, there is no record of Kasab with Nadra,” Mr Malik said.

The adviser said that Pakistan and India were both victims of terrorism and needed to take joint action to eradicate the menace.

Answering a question about threats of war emanating from India, Mr Malik said the nation was united to face any challenge.

About Mumbai attacks, he endorsed Mr Noble’s statement and said India had not provided any evidence to Pakistan either. “If India gives us credible evidences about involvement of Pakistanis, the government will take action to bring them to justice,” he said.

India had neither provided any information officially to Pakistan about the arrest of a Pakistani national nor did it share any concrete proof about elements behind the Mumbai attacks, the adviser said.

Pakistan, he said, had offered unconditional support to India, but he told the Interpol chief that Pakistan would take every step to safeguard its national interests.

Responding to a question about a resolution adopted by the UN Security Council sanctions committee regarding individuals and organisations, including Jamaatud Dawa, he said the banned organisations could go to the UN to find out the reasons for which the curbs had been imposed.

Mr Noble said Pakistan was an important and cooperative member of Interpol and a victim of terrorism.

He pointed out that former prime minister Benazir Bhutto had become a victim of terrorism. He also mentioned the Marriott Hotel suicide attack and a series of other terrorist incidents in Pakistan.

The Interpol chief thanked Pakistan for sharing what he called important information and urged the international community to help the country to combat the menace of terrorism.

“Pakistan is among the countries extending their best cooperation to Interpol,” he said. During a meeting with Federal Investigation Agency director-general Tariq Pervez, the Interpol chief said the agency had always cooperated with Interpol, especially in helping member countries to identify 169 most wanted terrorists.

Even china and interpol says hindu fanatics might have been involved and there is no proof against these kids being Pakistanis. What else do you want?

 

[haviZsultan]

Awww... even Iran disappointed them indians... i copied this sorry... just could'nt elp. :p

India disappointed by Iran's reaction to Mumbai attacks

NEW DELHI: India on Friday conveyed to Iran that it was deeply disappointed by the way the country had reacted to the Mumbai terror attacks.
Senior government officials admitted on condition of anonymity that visiting Iranian deputy foreign minister Mohammed Mehdi Akhoundzadeh had been given an earful by authorities for the widespread negative comments in the Iranian media about India.

Leading news agencies in Iran have been largely sympathetic towards Pakistan and insinuated that India has been acting under the influence of the US. President Mahmoud Ahahdinejad too had said after the Mumbai incident that it was perpetrated by people from outside the region.

However, this did not prevent Akhounzadeh from asking India not to let "sporadic terrorist incidents'' come in the way of the $7.4 billion Iran-Pakistan-India (IPI) gas pipeline. Akhoundzadeh, who held talks with senior Indian officials on Friday, also did not acknowledge that the terrorists who perpetrated the Mumbai attacks were from Pakistan. He described Pakistan as a victim of terrorism.

"Sporadic terrorist incidents, wherever they are, should not deter the will and the determination of collective vision and wisdom of the Asian leaders to continue their march of progress. We feel Asian leaders should be vigilant enough to the futuristic needs and demands of its people,'' Akhoundzadeh told reporters after his meeting with Indian officials. He also stated that the "root cause'' for terrorism needed to be addressed even though he later denied that he meant J&K.

The pipeline project too has been marred by India's reluctance to join because of security concerns. Iran and Pakistan recently decided to go ahead with the project even if India backed out.

He said the history has shown that some forces have used "so-called" Islam to pursue their agenda and warned that "some countries are going to repeat the same mistake". He, however, did not elaborate.

Contending that both India and Pakistan have been victims of terrorism, he cited the assassinations of Mahatma Gandhi, former Prime Ministers Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi and former Pakistan Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto in this context.