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The concept of Afghanistan as geographical region predates the modern Afghan state and much of it consisted of the areas which are now in Pakistan. Pashtuns themselves have called this region Pashtunkhwa. Others have called it Afghanistan and Roh , the terms which have also been used by Pashtuns themselves for their country. It extended from river Helmand to river Indus and its core was Koh-i-Sulieman range.

Suleiman mountain range is very vast area and it also runs in Loy Paktiya region (Paktia, Paktika and Khost). Some people assume that Koh-i-Suliman is some range in Baluchistan province but to get an idea, it also runs in hilly portion of Dera Ismail Khan and Waziristan, and in DG Khan of Punjab. It also extends to Zabul and Kandahar. In the past, Pashtuns were called Suliamanis as Koh-i-Sulieman was their country. For example a famous saint of India, Qasim Sulimani, was a Pashtun and his disciple who wrote book on him by name of "Asrar-ul-Afghan", informs us that Pashtuns are also called Suliamanis in India. 14th century traveler Ibn-i-Batuta also say that Afghans are called Suliemanis because their abode is Sulieman range. Ibni-i-Batuta furnishes this information at the point when he come across Afghans in Kabul. Afsana-i-Shahan (written in 1607 AD) narrates the Pashtun legend that the three brothers , Baitan, Sarban and Ghurghusht (progenitors of Afghan people) lived on the banks of Gomal river in the Sulieman mountains. These few historical references and legends hints Koh-i-Suliaman to be an ancient abode of Pashtuns. Ancient Greeks have called it "Arachosia"

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The concept of Afghanistan predates the modern Afghan state and much of it consisted of the areas which are now in Pakistan. Pashtuns themselves have called this region Pashtunkhwa. Others have called it Afghanistan and Roh , the terms which have also been used by Pashtuns themselves for their country. It extended from river Helmand to river Indus and its core was Koh-i-Sulieman range.

Suleiman mountain range is very vast area and it also runs in Loy Paktiya region (Paktia, Paktika and Khost). Some people assume that Koh-i-Suliman is some range in Baluchistan province but to get an idea, it also runs in hilly portion of Dera Ismail Khan and Waziristan, and in DG Khan of Punjab. It also extends to Zabul and Kandahar. In the past, Pashtuns were called Suliamanis as Koh-i-Sulieman was their country. For example a famous saint of India, Qasim Sulimani, was a Pashtun and his disciple who wrote book on him by name of "Asrar-ul-Afghan", informs us that Pashtuns are also called Suliamanis in India. 14th century traveler Ibn-i-Batuta also say that Afghans are called Suliemanis because their abode is Sulieman range. Ibni-i-Batuta furnishes this information at the point when he come across Afghans in Kabul. Afsana-i-Shahan (written in 1607 AD) narrates the Pashtun legend that the three brothers , Baitan, Sarban and Ghurghusht (progenitors of Afghan people) lived on the banks of Gomal river in the Sulieman mountains. These few historical references and legends hints Koh-i-Suliaman to be an ancient abode of Pashtuns. Ancient Greeks have called it "Arachosia"

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So you are saying we should annex remaining of the Pushtoon areas of Afghanistan ??? No I don't think we are interested :p
 
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You remember what happened in Bajour
 
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The concept of Afghanistan predates the modern Afghan state and much of it consisted of the areas which are now in Pakistan. Pashtuns themselves have called this region Pashtunkhwa. Others have called it Afghanistan and Roh , the terms which have also been used by Pashtuns themselves for their country. It extended from river Helmand to river Indus and its core was Koh-i-Sulieman range.

Suleiman mountain range is very vast area and it also runs in Loy Paktiya region (Paktia, Paktika and Khost). Some people assume that Koh-i-Suliman is some range in Baluchistan province but to get an idea, it also runs in hilly portion of Dera Ismail Khan and Waziristan, and in DG Khan of Punjab. It also extends to Zabul and Kandahar. In the past, Pashtuns were called Suliamanis as Koh-i-Sulieman was their country. For example a famous saint of India, Qasim Sulimani, was a Pashtun and his disciple who wrote book on him by name of "Asrar-ul-Afghan", informs us that Pashtuns are also called Suliamanis in India. 14th century traveler Ibn-i-Batuta also say that Afghans are called Suliemanis because their abode is Sulieman range. Ibni-i-Batuta furnishes this information at the point when he come across Afghans in Kabul. Afsana-i-Shahan (written in 1607 AD) narrates the Pashtun legend that the three brothers , Baitan, Sarban and Ghurghusht (progenitors of Afghan people) lived on the banks of Gomal river in the Sulieman mountains. These few historical references and legends hints Koh-i-Suliaman to be an ancient abode of Pashtuns. Ancient Greeks have called it "Arachosia"

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May be people will assumes this is another way to Justify of what PKMAP used to say..The introductory remarks can create doubts for few people once they read what is mentioned in Bold"..
Though not saying you imply this but arguments similar to this is in used by Taasssub paraasat/qoum paraasat
 
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Moron, what are you doing in history section?

Mind your language mister ...

Using history for a hidden agenda is bull shit ... Y you ignored that ancient Afghanistan was inclusive of Iran and other northern countries as well ?

If you are telling history then make it impartial rather than showing the portion which shows a biassed opinion ... specially in a condition where this language card is being used as one of the worst terrorism in the region ... We are already suffering from lot of this bull shit from goons like Achakzai and Moulana Diesel ... Enough with this bull shit ...

Only "Taassub parasts" i.e Pakistani ultra nationalists will interpret history like you, @Mugwop, and @The Accountant did.

I think i will confine such writings to Historium forum, this forum is unsuitable for it.

Man we are not Tassub Pasand ... You just re-read your article first para through neutral mind ...
 
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Mind your language mister ...

Using history for a hidden agenda is bull shit ... Y you ignored that ancient Afghanistan was inclusive of Iran and other northern countries as well ?

If you are telling history then make it impartial rather than showing the portion which shows a biassed opinion ... specially in a condition where this language card is being used as one of the worst terrorism in the region ... We are already suffering from lot of this bull shit from goons like Achakzai and Moulana Diesel ... Enough with this bull shit ...



Man we are not Tassub Pasand ... You just re-read your article first para through neutral mind ...
What does tassub pasand mean?

Only "Taassub parasts" i.e Pakistani ultra nationalists will interpret history like you, @Mugwop, and @The Accountant did.

I think i will confine such writings to Historium forum, this forum is unsuitable for it.
This forum isn't unsuitable, You are just a belligerent jerk that's all.
What part of Pakistan do you live in?
 
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What does tassub pasand mean?


This forum isn't unsuitable, You are just a belligerent jerk that's all.
What part of Pakistan do you live in?
tassub pasnd means prejudice ...

" PDF Think Tank : Analyst" , all i see from you is low quality trollish one-liners. Go troll some where else, "Think Tank"

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Already a discussion about ancient homeland of Pashtuns was going on on this thread https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/why-...stans-historical-consciousness.510263/page-11
Man just read the OP of the thread you mentioned ... Your first sentence started with a biassed sentence ...

Anyways, lets stop this nonsense illogical discussion ...

For future, you are requested to be mindful of your surrounding and the sentiments of people going to read the post ...
 
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Areas and region can't be divide by language and historically Afghanistan larger part was ruled by people from area of Pakistan so technically border region of Afghanistan with Pak should be part of Pakistan but we accepted partitioned line.
 
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tassub pasnd means prejudice ...


Man just read the OP of the thread you mentioned ... Your first sentence started with a biassed sentence ...

Anyways, lets stop this nonsense illogical discussion ...

For future, you are requested to be mindful of your surrounding and the sentiments of people going to read the post ...
This is not "Whatever" thread, you have landed in wrong section. Next time be mindful of where exactly you are posting your nationalistic non-sense.
 
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This is not "Whatever" thread, you have landed in wrong section. Next time be mindful of where exactly you are posting your nationalistic non-sense.
Seems like not a single reader agree with you the way you are trying to present your biassed history ...

Probably you should look into yourself first why everyone is reacting negatively to your quote rather than blaming others ...

There is no harm in accepting your mistakes ... it will help you learn ... anyways bye and best of luck
 
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This comes from a person who insults others with a different opinion. :lol:
"Different opinion"?, you are just trolling on this thread just like you do elsewhere on this forum. I have seen your low-quality one-liners on other threads where you troll others. A Troll Think Tank
 
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The concept of Afghanistan predates the modern Afghan state and much of it consisted of the areas which are now in Pakistan. Pashtuns themselves have called this region Pashtunkhwa. Others have called it Afghanistan and Roh , the terms which have also been used by Pashtuns themselves for their country. It extended from river Helmand to river Indus and its core was Koh-i-Sulieman range.

Suleiman mountain range is very vast area and it also runs in Loy Paktiya region (Paktia, Paktika and Khost). Some people assume that Koh-i-Suliman is some range in Baluchistan province but to get an idea, it also runs in hilly portion of Dera Ismail Khan and Waziristan, and in DG Khan of Punjab. It also extends to Zabul and Kandahar. In the past, Pashtuns were called Suliamanis as Koh-i-Sulieman was their country. For example a famous saint of India, Qasim Sulimani, was a Pashtun and his disciple who wrote book on him by name of "Asrar-ul-Afghan", informs us that Pashtuns are also called Suliamanis in India. 14th century traveler Ibn-i-Batuta also say that Afghans are called Suliemanis because their abode is Sulieman range. Ibni-i-Batuta furnishes this information at the point when he come across Afghans in Kabul. Afsana-i-Shahan (written in 1607 AD) narrates the Pashtun legend that the three brothers , Baitan, Sarban and Ghurghusht (progenitors of Afghan people) lived on the banks of Gomal river in the Sulieman mountains. These few historical references and legends hints Koh-i-Suliaman to be an ancient abode of Pashtuns. Ancient Greeks have called it "Arachosia"

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True Afghanistan is one where the state has collapsed and the Taliban now Influence 50 % of the country according to SIGAR report . There is no such thing as true Afghanistan . The only Afghanistan out there is one of no hope , full of charsi people who have nothing to do in life but blame Pakistan .

This forum isn't unsuitable, You are just a belligerent jerk that's all.
What part of Pakistan do you live in?

This guy is a true hater of the country bar none . I have seen him posting on other forums and he starts ethnic flame wars between Punjabis and Pashtuns tries his best to prove there is a friction between people . I have have seen him post in support of TTP . The most annoying part about him is on other forums he tried his level best to prove Pashtuns are not with Pakistan:lol: . He lives in Lakki Marwat According to him
 
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