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You might disagree, but submarine has given PN its prestige, be it ghazi or hangor. And also the future belongs to them will be the spearhead branch with 8 of the most lethal conventional subs of the world.
Special Forces are by far the toughest. Pilots and submariners are mentally strong people alright but their most of the work is done by their machines, no physical labour is required but Special Forces are the ones who actually face the brunt of GROUND FRICTION. They are the ones who cross the threshold of MAXIMUM PUNISHMENT a human body and mind can take. They are the ones who are dropped in the darkness of the night behind enemy lines, they are the ones who face maximum impromptu situations and are required to overcome all odds through their mental and physical strength.
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In my opinion, the silent service....submariner has to be mentally tough to go to war in a submersible tomb, often not knowing what is going on around him and just noises coming closer. That would take a heavy toll on anyone's mental state. They don't have an ejection seat lever to pull and bail out nor a nearby ditch take cover during an artillery barrage. Once detected it is tactics of a highly skilled boat crew or lady luck that saves them. Otherwise it is a brutal death at crushing depth.

It would take a different kind of person to go on patrol day in day out. Hell lot of courage to go to certain death for a paycheck! Be it through enemy action, or technical breakdown, submariners put their lives on stake without the usual duck, pull, lie flat escape opportunities. My vote is in favor of the silent service and the special men who man it...the PN Submariner!!!!
 
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The toughest job
i would agree with the assessment. Being a Submariner not only has physiological impact but also comes with psychological effects. The isolation, the routine & the living conditions / environment haunt you. One can easily relate to this by picturing themselves isolated in a 5mtr x 5mtr room with no TV or any luxury of Internet, no friends to meet, no friends to even talk to. And all this doesn't last only for 2 weeks (as for COVID) but for you are in a prison of your mind for months

Combine all that above with risk, as you mentioned when we are at depths, the water is crushing down on you. If one has to escape the sub at depth it is not possible due to Atmospheric pressure in the ocean.....
 
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I agree with the OP, the Submariner is the most challenging and demanding specialisation within the armed forces, puts the team in teamwork.
 
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The toughest of the tough

Being a part of the inter-services, often jovially, we get into jest filled spirit of inter-services rivalry the army vs the air force vs the navy. It’s all in good spirit and the jokes are classic which I’m sorry but they cannot be shared with civilians and yes, this can be taken negatively but you need to be a part of the club to enjoy the perks.

It was once on such an evening that the conversation turned into something serious and my expertise was called in to solve the issue the question was: which job in the armed forces is the hardest. Each field officer debated endlessly but there was no conclusion but they all agreed that this was a question that should be answered. Therefore, I was called in to help settle the debate because of a work I’d done on similar lines a while back.

How do you measure toughness?

Reviewing the literature on the question it was decided that the following things were the dimensions of toughness:

- Physical stress of routine tasks required by the role

- Complexity of the tasks entailed by the role

- Cognitive load: how much does the role stress your brain

- Role dynamics: how much of it rules your life in general

We deliberated on these dimensions in as much detail as possible. We tried to be as empirical as possible and collected as much verifiable information as possible. Here are a few considerations that may have been in the reader’s mind.

The infantarian
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The brunt of the battle, facing bullets and grinders of strategy as well as masters of tactics; most infantry arms officers would spend much of their careers facing tough postings. The physical stress of the role is high; it’s not uncommon for the infantry officer to march with his men and live in hard field conditions. The complexity of the tasks involved are with regard to tactics and positioning of their platoons, company etc but the cognitive load in terms of handling high technical machinery is quite low. As far as role dynamics are concerned then officers are rotated after a hard posting and can get leaves until and unless there are extremely hard circumstances.

The pilot
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The maverick who risks himself with every flight; the physical stress of the role increases especially for fighter pilots who have to pull of high Gs and the aircraft is a beautifully complex machinery; it should come as no surprise to anyone that most crashes are due to human error: so mistakes can be lethal and that is a whole different environment to maneuver in. Moreover, the preparation for any operation requires meticulous planning and sharp execution. However, once the pilot is on ground, he usually goes home which is different from the infantry officer who can see him being isolated from a relaxing environment for a long time.

The toughest job

By far the hardest role to pull off and the toughest job in the armed forces comes to be that of the submariner. In our conversation, this required elaboration especially because we were trying to be empirical here: the submarine is an extremely technical and complex machinery to maneuver. Any mistake can be deadly and there’s little to no chance of rescue or survival especially when in covert ops that the PN routinely takes. The pilot has some time to navigate through an aircraft crashing or eject but a submariner does not have that luxury. The depths will crush you; you cannot swim away from the depth of thousands of tons of water crushing you. The cognitive load is extremely high for ops prep and execution and it needs to be done in synchrony. Every move must be calculated, navigated, tactically thought through and the chance of error is extremely costly.

The hardest thing is that unlike the pilot but similar to the infantarian the submariner would be in hard living conditions. As a pilot becomes senior and so for the infantarian the comforts afforded would increase but even for the CO of a submarine despite being a high commanding officer, he would have a living space where you cannot even turn to your side. Most of the times you cannot smoke and can only eat a very restrictive diet but must have high levels of fitness in order to endure the physically tough and mentally torturous environment of the submarine.

The submariner would be away from his family for any time ranging from 3 – 9 months at a time and communication is scares. There are stories in the PN where officers learnt of their parents passing away while they were on duty and that’s not an exception there. The same place which is your weapon is also your prison.
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An important note

I want to make it clear that this is not a case of bravado. The life of the armed forces is difficult and every one must do their role to their utmost best and that takes a hard toll on the body and the mind. Kindly, respect that this is not meant to be a measuring contest.

This was an exercise to empirically and critically look at each branch, arm and role in the military and learn from each other instead of by trial and error.

Lastly, in terms of prestige in Pakistan the PAF and PA enjoy more prestige because in large parts the people are able to see them in action whereas the PN is sometimes, in my opinion, an underappreciated but still equally formable part of our armed forces and I would like to dedicate this article to those unsung heroes who rule the depths not with fear but unrelenting resolve to be the best defenders of their homeland.
Toughest job, which tests the mettle of many? Saying no to corruption, and standing up against complacency and incompetence.
 
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That's one of the biggest risks.
Is there any safety measures installed in a Submarine ? I mean pilots can get lucky by deploying for parachutes , but if a Submarine get into some sort of hit or accident under hundreds of feet in water, than its Game over ..

Thank you, sir
I agree with the OP, the Submariner is the most challenging and demanding specialisation within the armed forces, puts the team in teamwork.

Agreed, sir it's an extremely difficult job to do day in and day out.
In my opinion, the silent service....submariner has to be mentally tough to go to war in a submersible tomb, often not knowing what is going on around him and just noises coming closer. That would take a heavy toll on anyone's mental state. They don't have an ejection seat lever to pull and bail out nor a nearby ditch take cover during an artillery barrage. Once detected it is tactics of a highly skilled boat crew or lady luck that saves them. Otherwise it is a brutal death at crushing depth.

It would take a different kind of person to go on patrol day in day out. Hell lot of courage to go to certain death for a paycheck! Be it through enemy action, or technical breakdown, submariners put their lives on stake without the usual duck, pull, lie flat escape opportunities. My vote is in favor of the silent service and the special men who man it...the PN Submariner!!!!

Check the matrix I made for assessing it. SF can have breaks, submariners cannot.
Special Forces are by far the toughest. Pilots and submariners are mentally strong people alright but their most of the work is done by their machines, no physical labour is required but Special Forces are the ones who actually face the brunt of GROUND FRICTION. They are the ones who cross the threshold of MAXIMUM PUNISHMENT a human body and mind can take. They are the ones who are dropped in the darkness of the night behind enemy lines, they are the ones who face maximum impromptu situations and are required to overcome all odds through their mental and physical strength.
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Definitely up there, sir.
When one thinks of a ‘Tough ‘substance, it is implied that item/thing or the object is strong enough to withstand a lot of pressure/force and also rugged enough to survive rough use for a long time. Hence in my view, a tough person, in addition to the physical strength and ability to take the punishment, is also mentally strong to survive failures & disappointments.

Nearly all of the fighting branches of the military services require tough soldiers. However, I would say that Sappers/combat engineers perform one the toughest, if not the toughest functions on the battlefield. Combat engineers are required to install portable bridges, anti-tank traps as well as dispose off the mines and unexploded bombs, often under constant enemy fire.
 
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I think jobs of Special Operations Medics and SOF PJ(Para Rescumen) is tough both mentally and physically.

You gou out of the line to save even a enemy combatant....
 
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I don't know about that but for me most funny thing I have seen when you are in presence of various retired soldiers the way they try to prove them selves better than others is actually quite amusing. What I mean is Infantry guys will say we are better or most important thing Artillery will say they are and Armor will say they are and so on and so forth. They sometimes even get serious while joking with each other.
Each unit has their own :). However it has to be seen as a combined effort. Ultimately that is what is it about.
 
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To help answer the question I saw this BBC documentary called “soldiers” and the fighter pilot is considered the most skilled of all the soldiers




Pretty good series ... Shame they don’t such quality any more
 
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A fighter pilot is spun around until they black out as training. Pretty difficult if you ask me.
 
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In the first picture, is that an Israeli soldier with a Pakistan army solider? thats what it looks like to me lol
 
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I agree with the OP, the Submariner is the most challenging and demanding specialisation within the armed forces, puts the team in teamwork.

I submit the night stalkers. I got PTSD from just listening to some of their stories.
Special Operations Aviation Regiment (SOAR) is the appointed aviation unit for Special Operations. Due to the nighttime operations proficiency required for their roles, the 160th SOAR soldiers are known as “Night Stalkers.”

These soldiers fly the DELTA Force and Navy SEALS into high priority U.S. secret missions. They’re responsible for flying in the most undesirable and dangerous conditions — like enemy fire — with ease.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/160th_Special_Operations_Aviation_Regiment_(Airborne)
 
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The toughest of the tough

Being a part of the inter-services, often jovially, we get into jest filled spirit of inter-services rivalry the army vs the air force vs the navy. It’s all in good spirit and the jokes are classic which I’m sorry but they cannot be shared with civilians and yes, this can be taken negatively but you need to be a part of the club to enjoy the perks.

It was once on such an evening that the conversation turned into something serious and my expertise was called in to solve the issue the question was: which job in the armed forces is the hardest. Each field officer debated endlessly but there was no conclusion but they all agreed that this was a question that should be answered. Therefore, I was called in to help settle the debate because of a work I’d done on similar lines a while back.

How do you measure toughness?

Reviewing the literature on the question it was decided that the following things were the dimensions of toughness:

- Physical stress of routine tasks required by the role

- Complexity of the tasks entailed by the role

- Cognitive load: how much does the role stress your brain

- Role dynamics: how much of it rules your life in general

We deliberated on these dimensions in as much detail as possible. We tried to be as empirical as possible and collected as much verifiable information as possible. Here are a few considerations that may have been in the reader’s mind.

The infantarian
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The brunt of the battle, facing bullets and grinders of strategy as well as masters of tactics; most infantry arms officers would spend much of their careers facing tough postings. The physical stress of the role is high; it’s not uncommon for the infantry officer to march with his men and live in hard field conditions. The complexity of the tasks involved are with regard to tactics and positioning of their platoons, company etc but the cognitive load in terms of handling high technical machinery is quite low. As far as role dynamics are concerned then officers are rotated after a hard posting and can get leaves until and unless there are extremely hard circumstances.

The pilot
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The maverick who risks himself with every flight; the physical stress of the role increases especially for fighter pilots who have to pull of high Gs and the aircraft is a beautifully complex machinery; it should come as no surprise to anyone that most crashes are due to human error: so mistakes can be lethal and that is a whole different environment to maneuver in. Moreover, the preparation for any operation requires meticulous planning and sharp execution. However, once the pilot is on ground, he usually goes home which is different from the infantry officer who can see him being isolated from a relaxing environment for a long time.

The toughest job

By far the hardest role to pull off and the toughest job in the armed forces comes to be that of the submariner. In our conversation, this required elaboration especially because we were trying to be empirical here: the submarine is an extremely technical and complex machinery to maneuver. Any mistake can be deadly and there’s little to no chance of rescue or survival especially when in covert ops that the PN routinely takes. The pilot has some time to navigate through an aircraft crashing or eject but a submariner does not have that luxury. The depths will crush you; you cannot swim away from the depth of thousands of tons of water crushing you. The cognitive load is extremely high for ops prep and execution and it needs to be done in synchrony. Every move must be calculated, navigated, tactically thought through and the chance of error is extremely costly.

The hardest thing is that unlike the pilot but similar to the infantarian the submariner would be in hard living conditions. As a pilot becomes senior and so for the infantarian the comforts afforded would increase but even for the CO of a submarine despite being a high commanding officer, he would have a living space where you cannot even turn to your side. Most of the times you cannot smoke and can only eat a very restrictive diet but must have high levels of fitness in order to endure the physically tough and mentally torturous environment of the submarine.

The submariner would be away from his family for any time ranging from 3 – 9 months at a time and communication is scares. There are stories in the PN where officers learnt of their parents passing away while they were on duty and that’s not an exception there. The same place which is your weapon is also your prison.
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An important note

I want to make it clear that this is not a case of bravado. The life of the armed forces is difficult and every one must do their role to their utmost best and that takes a hard toll on the body and the mind. Kindly, respect that this is not meant to be a measuring contest.

This was an exercise to empirically and critically look at each branch, arm and role in the military and learn from each other instead of by trial and error.

Lastly, in terms of prestige in Pakistan the PAF and PA enjoy more prestige because in large parts the people are able to see them in action whereas the PN is sometimes, in my opinion, an underappreciated but still equally formable part of our armed forces and I would like to dedicate this article to those unsung heroes who rule the depths not with fear but unrelenting resolve to be the best defenders of their homeland.

Well to be very honest, all of these three forces are second to none, be it Army or Navy or Airforce. I strongly believe the riskiest among the one is of a fighter pilot or GD Pilot and the reason i strongly believe in this is that as soon as you're in the air the probability of coming back safely is 50/50, either you'll land safely or you'll fly back to Allah (SWT) and MashAllah the commitment of our pilots is none the less no matter they're pretty much clear that they're not going to survive their objective is to drag the faulted plane towards no population area ending up losing their life.

As far as the other two forces are concerned I'm pretty much into SSG (either SSG-N or SSG-Army) they too have the toughest of life, they are the ones which we called reserves whom are best trained and are battle-hardened.

All of what I above wrote doesn't mean normal army personnel or a navy person or an airforce person has nothing to do with the security of Pakistan they are also an important part of our forces and security but

"Shaheen tere parvaaz se jalta hai zamana"

For those who have sacrificed their precious lives for our motherland and for those whom might will "Tere :pakistan:mohabbat mein mout aaye tou isse barh kar nahi hai chahat, yeh ek jaan kiya hazaar hon tou hazaar tujh per nisaar kar doon"
 
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