The Tejas fighter’s role in war

[janon]

Insas was not a failure at all. Army wanted a 5.56 and we delivered it and the problems were solved later on. We used it almost 20 years now (more years to come). From where you will get a gun Rs-8000/-? at large numbers.

Now we are 'updating' the forces now and as per the current scenerio we need a gun which can use two rounds. (We are ahead of other forces like US army who still uses M4 only) as per the situation.

US army's standard assault rifle is the M-16. The M-4 is a carbine for CQB.

 

[Manticore]

I dont think I've posted incorrect information in my earlier posts. Regarding MAWS and max speed I would like to post a bit as this subject has been raised several times in this thread.

Aerodynamics have taken a back seat to avionics. That's why we hear a lot of avionic upgrade blk2 statements in the recent video interview of paf officials. I think hmd will be coupled to a good off-boresight missile whenever available.

 

[dbc]

If you want some missions where Rafale would be better - since it can carry a helluva lot more load to a helluva greater distance, it would excel the f-16 in all sorts of strike missions. And it won't need the likes of F-15 giving top cover, since it can self escort, due to its much better a2a performance.

Carrying a helluva lot over greater distances isn't a mission unless you are a C-17 pilot.
Define the mission and the threat environment. Like I said before if the Rafale has to fight its way in carrying a helluva payload against airborne and surface threats supported by modern AESA then neither the F-16 or the Rafale will succeed.

Again define the mission and tell me what the F-16 Block 52/ Rafale is up against.

 

[Manticore]

We have a vs thread with rafale. If you want to continue kindly take the discussion here
RAFALE VS F-16 BLOCK52+

 

[janon]

We have a vs thread with rafale. If you want to continue kindly take the discussion here
RAFALE VS F-16 BLOCK52+

Thanks for the link. Seeing that that is a 46 page thread, I doubt if I have anything more to add than what has been said.

@Pakistanisage: These are the sort of threads where a professional's opinion can help a lot, instead of so many pages of 'My plane great, your plane bad'. Without comparing plane to plane, what is your opinion on how the tejas can fit into the IAF's force structure? Also, if you have any ideas on how the IAF may employ it tactically...

In my opinion, for whatever it is worth, if we can fill our lower tier with tejas in place of the mig-21s and 27s, the IAF will have a quantum leap in capability and quality. Remember, the IAF needs nuumbers. And uber expensive aircrafts like rafale or MKIs cannot give us 39 squadrons. Tejas is a welcome boon.

 

[Last Samuri]

I actually think with tejas we are learning off the pakistanis and their thunder programme.

When faced with the task of replacing 300+ 2nd generation mig21/27
(IN pafs case 300 mirages/F7)

How best to tackle this

Go and obtain a low cost single engined MR fighter that can be procured in large nos over a decade or so.

PAF chose thunder with chinease help

IAF chose indengious light Tejas fighter.

If 10 years from today PAF has 120 F16/J10 backed by 200 Thunders i say job well done

likewise

if 10 years time IAF field 125 Tejas alongside 270 Su30mki and 200 upgraded mirage2000/mig29/jags/ I say job well done...

BIG DIFFERENCE FOR IAF OVER PAF thunder programme

tejas is a indengious project and the infrastcuture wind tunnels computer sims labs technicians are here in india that is a sure fire route to future AMCA & UNMANNED planes in 20 years time.

 

[janon]

I actually think with tejas we are learning off the pakistanis and their thunder programme.

When faced with the task of replacing 300+ 2nd generation mig21/27
(IN pafs case 300 mirages/F7)

Not really, IAF always had a hi-medium-low mix, or a medium-low mix. Irrespective of what Pak did or didn't do, the IAF always wanted a cheap, single engined fighter to replace all its cheap, single engined fighters.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

If 10 years from today PAF has 120 F16/J10 backed by 200 Thunders i say job well done

likewise

if 10 years time IAF field 125 Tejas alongside 270 Su30mki and 200 upgraded mirage2000/mig29/jags/ I say job well done...

BIG DIFFERENCE FOR IAF OVER PAF thunder programme

By tht time we would be fielding over 350+ 4+ gen fighters... if not more..

 

[Irfan Baloch]

And we are more happy about Pakistan having JF 17s....

now that hurt

but hey.. good answer

like already mentioned by Oscar,
its role would include keeping the eastern front well covered

although even the South Kerala police can take care of what Bangladesh Airforce can throw at India but lets leave that for another day (I say that because I saw their air power video which had their aviators singing in a field next to a runway, it looked very scary)

rest, flying CAPs and providing escort to jet doing airstrikes.

the face off with JF-17 might happen sooner than later we expect and that too in a very different and unlikely theater ... Farnborough airshow anyone?
wont that show be a sell out if both decide to have a flight demo?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

@Oscar

Master Shukla's masterpiece

The pilot operates his weapons through a head-up display (HUD), or through a helmet-mounted sighting system (HMSS) by merely looking at a target. Experienced fighter pilots say the Tejas is the IAF’s most “pilot friendly” fighter.

seems like HUD is out of this world technology and any unauthorized access to this technology by an NON Indian will result in instantaneous and painful death.

oh the friendly part. the LCA stands out to be the most pilot friendly fighter while on the opposite the wives and girlfriends of the IAF pilots remain the most unfriendly fighters specially during the time of "high tides"

 

[MilSpec]

now that hurt

but hey.. good answer

like already mentioned by Oscar,
its role would include keeping the eastern front well covered

although even the South Kerala police can take care of what Bangladesh Airforce can throw at India but lets leave that for another day (I say that because I saw their air power video which had their aviators singing in a field next to a runway, it looked very scary)

rest, flying CAPs and providing escort to jet doing airstrikes.

the face off with JF-17 might happen sooner than later we expect and that too in a very different and unlikely theater ... Farnborough airshow anyone?
wont that show be a sell out if both decide to have a flight demo?

If and when It happen, I will get tickets for the show for sure...

 

[Irfan Baloch]

If and when It happen, I will get tickets for the show for sure...

will like to meet you and show you around too. if the @Abingdonboy doesnt mind then I can nick you and get you to stay with me, we are not a bad host.

 

[MilSpec]

Carrying a helluva lot over greater distances isn't a mission unless you are a C-17 pilot.
Define the mission and the threat environment. Like I said before if the Rafale has to fight its way in carrying a helluva payload against airborne and surface threats supported by modern AESA then neither the F-16 or the Rafale will succeed.

Again define the mission and tell me what the F-16 Block 52/ Rafale is up against.

Ok, couple of scenarios, Mission guide lines would be to nuetralize 5 enemy bunkers along with 2 Sam Sites , 430 Kms inside the enemy territory, there will also be a very high possibility of comming across CAP formation of 7 JF17's or 5 F16BLK30's ,Mission parameter would be to provide Air Superiority cover to the 3 Su30MKI heavy fighters configured mainly with a2G ordinance, and IR missiles for self defense, you have choice of either 5 F16Blk52 and Rafale at your disposal for a purely air superiority mission, what do you choose?

Another one, You have Multi role mission where you need to search and destroy in 50 km's possible location 450 kms away from launch base, enemy frigates at sea, with possibility of encountering 6 MirageIII rose or 4 JF17 maritime air patrol a/c, along with QRSAM from the Frigates, you have the same choice of 4 F16blk52's or Rafale...

will like to meet you and show you around too. if the @Abingdonboy doesnt mind then I can nick you and get you to stay with me, we are not a bad host.

And it would be awesome... will be looking forward for that!!!!

 

[Abingdonboy]

US army's standard assault rifle is the M-16. The M-4 is a carbine for CQB.

You won't find any infantry units in the US army still equipped with the M-16 these days. The USMC has stuck to the M-16 however.

 

[Abingdonboy]

will like to meet you and show you around too. if the @Abingdonboy doesnt mind then I can nick you and get you to stay with me, we are not a bad host.

Ha mate- he's all yours. I don't think any human should have to stay in my student accommodation .

And if that ever were to happen I would be there for sure but I just don't see ADA/HAL marketing the LCA as aggressively as PAC so I am not holding my breath for any LCA appearances outside of India anytime soon. The entire Indian military establishment seems to be entirely uninterested in sending their assets abroad for such airshows anyway.