The Taliban's Ideology Has Surprising Roots In British-Ruled India

[El Sidd]

Lol

Its like Kulbhashan meet Patel thread.

 

[Path-Finder]

One thing, I am sure, that India employs the services of local Deobandi Mullahs, to exert it's influence both in the respective religious circles of Pakistan and Afghanistan. Mullah Fuzla is certainly on their payroll.

there is a picture of the shaitan with 2 fellow mahan shaitan.

 

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Indian asset ...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1185839666022551552

And this is news to some people ?

Maulana and Kashmir issue | Political Economy | thenews.com.pk

After spending 10 years and millions of rupees, what has the Kashmir Committee achieved so far?

www.thenews.com.pk

 

[SecularNationalist]

Qadiyanis are equivalent to Taliban and RSS ?

Their existence created a fitna and fasaad among Muslims.
They were created on purpose. They are dangerous people. Even more dangerous than RSS because it's difficult to identify them among the Muslims. And to remind they were once involved in a armed attack on data darbar lahore, so yes there is also a terrorist element in them.

 

[jamahir]

Their existence created a fitna and fasaad among Muslims.

Well, can it be any other different than the other fitnas including the topic of this thread ?

There should have been no need to have labels like Sunni, Shia, Tableeghi, Naqshbandi etc. The "Oh I See" failed to present a simple set of understandings of the Quran - not Hadiths and all that - but Quran as understood and implemented by progressive leaders and philosophers like Muammar Gaddafi, Habib Jalib, Ubaidullah Sindhi etc.

And to remind they were once involved in a armed attack on data darbar lahore, so yes there is also a terrorist element in them.

Hmm, I didn't know that.

 

[RescueRanger]

Maulana and Kashmir issue | Political Economy | thenews.com.pk

After spending 10 years and millions of rupees, what has the Kashmir Committee achieved so far?

www.thenews.com.pk

This chubby charlatan. Honestly I want to pop his haram de tonde.

 

[Zornix]

The Taliban's Ideology Has Surprising Roots In British-Ruled India​

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The main entrance to the campus of the Darul Uloom seminary in Deoband, India, where the Deobandi strain of Islam was founded in the 19th century. Among its more recent adherents are the Taliban.
Lauren Frayer/NPR
DEOBAND, India — Hundreds of young men in crisp white tunics and skullcaps sit cross-legged in classrooms ringed with porticoes, poring over Islamic texts. From a marble minaret above them, a dozen voices wail Quranic verse in unison.
They start and stop in rounds, echoing like a canon across an otherwise scruffy landscape of rickshaws, tea stalls and open sewers.
This is where the Taliban's ideology was founded. It's not Afghanistan; nor is it the Middle East. It's not even a Muslim-majority country. It's a small town in India about 100 miles north of the capital, New Delhi.
More than 150 years ago, this is where Muslim scholars started a seminary that also became entwined in the politics of that era. The Darul Uloom Deoband seminary, founded in 1866, taught that by returning to the core principles of Islam, Indian Muslims could resist British colonial rule. Less than a decade earlier, the British crown had taken control of India from the East India Company. The previous Mughal — Muslim — rulers had been vanquished.
"The British have taken over. The Muslim glory has faded away. So there comes a kind of state of despondency within the Muslims," says Luv Puri, a researcher, author and columnist. "Then they decide it's time to get back the glory of Islam. And let's start a movement."
The movement they started became known as Deobandi Islam. Adherents later joined Mahatma Gandhi's freedom struggle. After the partition of India, they fanned out across South Asia and set up seminaries, or madrassas, teaching an austere version of Islam — particularly along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.
And that is where they educated their most infamous students: the Taliban.

These lunatics are the same people who issue diktats to not eat food cooked by non Muslims and to not eat with or befriend a non Muslim unless you have the intention of wooing him and getting him to convert to Islam which their followers obey. And on top of that they produce terrorists and intolerant fanatics worldwide, why are they allowed to freely operate despite all of this? any decent nation would have them shut down.

Their existence created a fitna and fasaad among Muslims.

Then why do Muslims blindly follow them and not speak out against them?

 

[TheSolution]

One thing, I am sure, that India employs the services of local Deobandi Mullahs, to exert it's influence both in the respective religious circles of Pakistan and Afghanistan. Mullah Fuzla is certainly on their payroll.

India has deeply entrenched itself deeply into many core aspects of society attempting to shake the very foundation.

ISI is being caught sleeping on the job once again until it's too late.

Ethnic separatism, religious extremism, hate against the army, even fuelling anti-Punjabi sentiment. All disguised under politics and activism; for freedom for "marginalised groups" and the "oppressed class". It's a multi-directional attack being spread throughout universities, social media campaigns by employing locals and buying them out to shake the very core making it incredibly difficult to manage.

ISI lumber 1 is sleeping while India is digging it's claws shaking the foundation.

 

[Pakistani E]

Their existence created a fitna and fasaad among Muslims.
They were created on purpose. They are dangerous people. Even more dangerous than RSS because it's difficult to identify them among the Muslims. And to remind they were once involved in a armed attack on data darbar lahore, so yes there is also a terrorist element in them.

Source?

 

[HAIDER]

Purist ? Puritanical ? No, it is not the Deobandis who are that but me a Communist Muslim :


OTOH, what the Deobandis are are just a born-Muslim face of Hindutvad, they have the same thinking, not having mentally left the social, political and socio-economic mores that surrounded their pre-Muslim Hindu ancestors in India and which surround them at the moment. Consider this "fatwa" by the Deobandis :

LOLs, these Deobandi mullah ghey bois and their self-misogynist "female" followers should have told Anousheh Ansari that they want to crush her dreams of space travel but they couldn't fortunately and she traveled to the International Space Station in 2006 and stay there for nine days. The ISS orbits Earth at a distance of 400 kilometers above sea level, much more than the 48 mile distance imposed by the Deobandis on women, heh heh heh heh heh. Anousheh was the first Muslim female in space :

This is a "fatwa" by Hindutvadi hero, Yogi Adityanath, who is slated to be the succesor to Modi as PM :


Yogi and Deobandi, one and the same. In fact Yogi is the forerunner of the Deobandi.

Another "fatwa" of these ghey bois :

This is another place showing the anti-human anti-social nature of mullahs. Priesthood in general. So the Deobandis don't want to help in saving the life of a human either by blood donation or by organ donation ? Then what the hell do they call themselves Muslims for since they are fond of quoting the hadiths [ 1 ] [ 2 ] ?


What if these Deobandis land up in hospital and require blood ? Will they refuse this blood because the blood will come from a blood bank which will have blood of many including non-Muslims ? What if their eye is damaged and the doctors recommend donated eye to be inserted ? Will the Deobandis "listen to Allah's call" and choose to remain blind instead of doing the "haraam" thing of accepting a donated organ ?

Another :

Anousheh lived on the ISS without a veil for nine days and she didn't plucked by God and burnt in the space outside the ISS for doing this "haraam" thing.

Another on TV :

So if watching TV is haraam then why aren't there condemnations by the Deobandis for these idiots, embarrassments and uglies who befoul the TV signals and internet packets ?

It is the Deobandi ideology that has produced the most number of psychos in the world from among the Muslims. Sayyid Qutb of the Egyptian so-called Muslim Brotherhood was inspired by Deobandi filth ideology. The Tableeghi Jamaat is from Deoband and is now spread from Indonesia to Russia to Central Asia to the Turkish diaspora in Germany and in Europe and North America.

Just like the Deoband mullah school was established by the Britishes to destroy intellect among Muslims and prevent a Muslim great like Tipu Sultan from arising, the same way Israel government established Hamas and "Islamic" Jihad groups in Gaza, Palestine, to act as counter to the actual Palestinian strugglers, the PLO and others who were Communists and Socialists and were allied with Communists and Socialists from the world, whether Carlos the Jackal or Japanese Red Army or Libyan Jamahiriya or USSR etc.



Qadiyanis are equivalent to Taliban and RSS ?

Well, Indian Muslims are much more extremist compared to Muslims of other regions. They have too much hate and it favors the Indian Hindu govt. Watching interviews with different parties' point of view about Awasi being a leading Muslim figure .....it was shocking...No doubt Deoband school has a long impact up to Mysore, used by the British to neutralize any United Muslim movements in India against them.

 

[jamahir]

Well, Indian Muslims are much more extremist compared to Muslims of other regions. They have too much hate and it favors the Indian Hindu govt. Watching interviews with different parties' point of view about Awasi being a leading Muslim figure .....it was shocking...No doubt Deoband school has a long impact up to Mysore, used by the British to neutralize any United Muslim movements in India against them.

Ideally you shouldn't have been right but unfortunately you are. The sad reality of the Modern Indian Muslim. India has the largest number of burqa wearers in the world. During my teens there was not a single girl in schools and colleges wearing the "hijab" let alone a burqa. None among my relatives wore them but now I have seen a five-year-old girl in my neighborhood in one, being led by her burqa'ed mother but the girl's brother maybe a year younger was in t-shirt and shorts and not in burqa. The burqis who march through the streets carrying banners of "My hijab is my pride, not my compulsion" claim that the burqa empowers them, LOL. I don't understand how a pre-Islamic Jewish garment that hides away the female from society, imposes shame into her for being female and creates a sense of discomfort in those around her, shows her as anti-social and hostile... empowers her. She is better off going to Thailand and getting a sex change operation to become a male who can become muscular and go about in sleevless t-shirt. Mullahs will claim that the socio-economically-poor Arabs in Makkah before Islam used to hate female newborns so much that they bury them alive in sand to kill them but this is the same thing being done by the modern Indian Muslims imposing burqa on women and burying them alive by hiding them in society.

You mention about Owaisi and I read an info by a senior journalist who had gone to Owaisi's house with a senior female journalist, Sagarika ( Ghose, must be ), as dinner guests. After dinner Sagarika went to the kitchen to meet Owaisi's women folk and the male senior journalist said "Owaisi sahab, the food was delicious, who made it ?". Owaisi said it was his wife and the journalist said that he wished to meet the wife to thank her. Owaisi said it is not his family's culture to allow the family females to meet other males. The journalist wondered in the article that Owaisi speaks of desiring a female Muslim PM for India some day - a burqa'ed one, mind you but a female Muslim PM. But he doesn't allow his own wife to meet other males so how is this female Muslim PM going to run the country which consists of hundreds of millions of males ?

Another haraami work of Barrister Owaisi saheb. During the anti-CAA protests in India in 2020 ( against the CAA / NRC anti-Muslim act passed by Modi government ) there was one in Bangalore where Owaisi attended. On the stage came a young female progressive activist Amulya Leona and she took the mic and started saying "Bangladesh zindabad, Pakistan zindabad, Sri Lanka zindabad..." but as she was to come to saying "India zindabad" the organizers and the police surrounded her, grabbed the mic, violently pulled her away and them was Owaisi saheb :

She was straight away taken to jail for the "abhorrent" crime of saying "Pakistan zindabad". But what did she really ? She was calling for peace in South Asia and was going to say "India zindabad" too. But such is hatred for Pakistan in lot of India unfortunately because Pakistan is just a code word for Indian Muslims that she spoke of peace and was put in jail for four months. Never in those four months did Owaisi do anything to help her. For him she was firstly a female without being burqa'ed and this to his Taliban mindset is a sin, and secondly she said "Pakistan zindabad" which he doesn't like too because he uses the plank of condemning Pakistan to be acceptable to the Hindutvadis and keep spreading his Talibanic ideas among Muslims. You will never find him speaking of peace with Pakistan. Thirdly, in every election where his party, AIMIM, participates, say like recently in Gujarat, he and his party find some brainwashed or naive Muslims voting for him and thus diverting those votes away from Congress mainly. He does this every time. He doesn't ally with Congress let alone with Communists. His party always takes away votes that could have gone to the Congress and it is for this that he is known nationally as the "Vote cutter" and "BJP's B Team", the last especially because of his similar language to the Hindutvadis in context of condemning Pakistan and he being a mullah, a right-winger just the same as the BJP.

When the Taliban took over Afghanistan last year Owaisi was asked if he condemned the Taliban. He stubbornly refused to condemn and evaded reporters constantly and then said that let PM Modi issue a condemnation statement first and then he may do so. LOL, is Modi the Imam of all Muslims now that he is expected to condemn the Taliban and Owaisi will agree to that condemnation ? Modi has no problems with the Taliban because after all they are the same right-wing priest oppressors as his own Hindutvadis. Owaisi is the same. And this year Owaisi has refused to support the anti-mullah protests in Iran. He said that that is Iran and this is India. LOL again. Doesn't Owaisi claim to be a Muslim and aren't those agitating Irani women and men Muslims too ? Isn't the terrorist and oppressor mullah government of Iran claiming to be Muslim too ? So how is Barrister Owaisi cutting himself away from Iran ?

A week ago an old friend in my area and me were talking on various things including my meetings with the Communists locally and we spoke about Angry Indian Burqa Girl Muskan bibi :

I said that that day as she entered the college compound all burqa'ed up in the fashion of the Modern Indian Muslim, and as those bhagwa bois pursued her, if instead of being in her burqa proudly and shouting "Allahu Akbar" had she removed her burqa in manner of Afghan girls and Irani girls and threw it on the ground and stamped on it one time, two times, three times and then shouted "Laal Salaam" she would immediately hvae been declared an "Urban Naxal", a "left-wing extremist", a "commie" and taken off to local jail and then to Tihar in Delhi maybe and kept there ideally forever. But no, since she didn't say "Laal Salaam" but she kept her burqa and shouted "Allahu Akbar" she was easily allowed by the state government ( BJP of Modi ) to hold a press conference - in burqa of course - with her mullah father and declare her intention to launch a campaign to bring burqa to the classrooms across India. And filth Owaisi as ever visited her house and gave her five lakhs. Others gave her iPhones ( "haraam" technology, LOL ). She was declared "The lioness of Islam" and Al Qaeda chief al-Qaradawi made an admiring vid message for her. She and her friends then boycotted exams because the classroom officials didn't allow burqas inside. Then they petitioned the Supreme Court for allowing burqas in schools and colleges, as if that is not happening already, LOL. In the beginning of this month the Waqf Board of the BJP government that rules Muskan bibi's state, Karnataka, declared its intention to build "educational" institutions exclusively for girls ( will turn out to be exclusively for Muslim girls ) in 10 districts at a cost of 25 crores. So these will be places where the burqis will love going to and sit in the classrooms all burqa'ed up, maybe even in front of female teachers, and will be a place where the girls who don't want the burqa imposed on them will be forced by their parents to go, wearing the burqa right from when they are five-years-old. But the Hindutvadis protested against this plan saying that these institutions will be another form of the madrasas and will lead to polarization in society and will be biased against any Hindu student or teacher going there. Well, so the Hindutvadis are now talking about others doing polarization of society ? Secondly, no Hindu girl will attend these institutions as a student. And it is not as if the Hindutvadis suddenly developed empathy for the females and society. They just see this as another means for them to attack perceived Muslim presence. This is just the same as the Hindutvadis supporting Israel because they perceive Israel to have defeated Muslim countries. They don't consider that these "Muslim" countries are Muslim-majority having multiple communities including Christians and leftists. Even Israel has progressive movements including Communists who are sympathetic to the Palestinians and allied with former USSR. Hence to the utter surprise of the Hindutvadis when the Israeli film director Nadav Lapid, in his capacity as head of the jury of the recent Goa International Film Festival, said in a straight speech on stage in front of central government ministers that the disinfo Hindutvadi film about the plight of Kashmiri Pandits was "a vulgar and propagandist film not worthy to be included in the arts section in such a prominent film festival". He was immediately set upon by the Hindutvadis who called him a member of the Israeli "Tukde tukde gang" ( "those ebeel commies from JNU university who want to destroy India" ) because they found out that he empathized with the Palestinians and opposed the senseless and unthoughful but easy-smile brutality in the Israeli establishment and military. One of the actors in that film, Anupam Kher, declared on a stage standing with an Israeli consulate officer that according to trusted sources Nadav Lapid had gone missing from his hotel room the night before that speech and the speech he gave the next day wasn't his original but something given to him as part of "A tool kit" ( "Tool kit" is a phrase coined by the Hindutvadis during the 2020-21 farmers protests in Delhi and refers to documents exchanged in an international conspiracy to defame India and bring down Modi government. People have been arrested for having "tool kits" ). The Israeli ambassador to India declared "his country's embarrassment because of one Israeli citizen who wanted to be a hero" and that India is an old friend of Israel. This is the background of Hindutvadis in Karnataka opposing the plan for Muslim-girl-only "educational" institutions in Karnataka.

And you are right about the British colonial government establishing the Deoband mullah school. It was to destroy intellectuality among Muslims and prevent them from banding under progressive people and oppose the government. British-rule-era Muslim Communists like Shaukat Usmani were jailed ( "Meerut Conspiracy Case" ) while the mullahs were allowed to be free. A thinking person is the great enemy of the oppressor.

Lastly, you mention Mysore and it is in my region of the Deccan and here lived Tipu Sultan, one of the three greatest rulers / administrators in South Asia, the other two being Ashoka and Akbar. Tipu was an intelligent person, educated, and progressive who looked at the social and socio-economic oppressions and irrationalties in the areas in his domain and rectified them, whether abolishing the "breast tax" in Kerala or confiscating land from the birth-privileged upper caste Hindus and redistributing them to the lower caste Hindus. He was a leftist really who naturally became an admirer of the French Revolution that was on-going and he is said to have established a Jacobins Club in Mysore city.

He allied with Napoleon Bonaparte and they could have thrown out the Britishers from South Asia in time had not Tipu been killed in 1799 at his fort in Srirangapatna, an event that happened because of betrayal by Mir Jafar and the siege consisting of four allies of the Britsh army - the Marathas, the Nairs, the Kodavas and of course the Muslim nizam of Hyderabad. Had Tipu lived on for 55 more years he would have been the first to introduce The Communist Manifesto to Indians. This was the leftist Tipu whom the nizam of Hyderabad allied against with the Britishers and the nizam lineage is admired by the Owaisis.

Recently I met a senior leader in my state of one of the progressive groups and he spoke about Vallabhbhai Patel, the first Indian home minister, much celebrated by the Hindutvadis to the extent that they built the world's tallest statue in the world for him in Gujarat, and he is called as "Sardar" by them and this "Sardar" was responsible for the genocide of 247,000 Kashmiri Muslims of Jammu in 1947. He was also responsible for the murder of thousands of peasants in the Hyderabad region, something also done by the nizam's forces. So there is no difference between Patel, the nizam and Owaisi.

Since December last year the Hindutvadis have openly declared their intention to genocide Muslims ( starting with two million ), then Christians, Communists and others too maybe. I look at my area's "Muslims" in cringey Arab thawbs and then also the Jewish burqas which flutter in a vomit-inducing manner when the burqi passes by on a two-wheeler without wearing a helmet as if that "pakeeza and roohani" burqa will save her if her two-wheeler has a crash or collides, and I think I should really welcome the Hindutvadis genociding these filths that claim to be Muslim. However, there are many progressive and rational Muslims in India still.