The Taliban will ‘never be defeated’

[Icarus]

Please read Islamic history of wars , how weak muslim army defeated Roman and Persian 20 times stronger armies.

It is possible only with devine power

But that is the whole thing.......................Taliban are not winning, any major territorial gains you can quote ?

 

[kumar_V1.0]

Marines corner Taliban holdouts in Afghan town

By ALFRED de MONTESQUIOU, Associated Press Writer Alfred De Montesquiou, Associated Press Writer – 24 mins ago

MARJAH, Afghanistan – Marines and Afghan units converged on a dangerous western quarter of the Taliban stronghold of Marjah on Sunday, with NATO forces facing "determined resistance" as their assault on the southern town entered its second week.

Fighter jets, drones and attack helicopters hovered overhead, as Marine and Afghan companies moved on a 2-square-mile (5.2-sq. kilometer) area of the town where more than 40 insurgents have apparently holed up.

"They are squeezed," said Lt. Col. Brian Christmas, commander of 3rd Battalion, 6th Marine Regiment. "It looks like they want to stay and fight but they can always drop their weapons and slip away. That's the nature of this war."

Insurgents are putting up a "determined resistance" in various parts of Marjah, though the overall offensive is "on track," NATO said Sunday, eight days after thousands of Afghan and international forces launched their largest joint operation since the Taliban regime's ouster in 2001.

Late last week, Maj. Gen. Nick Carter, head of NATO forces in southern Afghanistan, said he believed it would take at least 30 days to complete securing the Nad Ali district and Marjah in Helmand province, a hub for a lucrative opium trade that profits militants.

The Marjah operation is a major test of a new NATO strategy that stresses protecting civilians over routing insurgents as quickly as possible. It's also the first major ground operation since President Barack Obama ordered 30,000 reinforcements to Afghanistan to curb the rise of the Taliban.

Once the town is secure, NATO plans to rush in a civilian Afghan administration, restore public services and pour in aid to try to win the loyalty of the population and prevent the Taliban from returning.

Twelve NATO troops and one Afghan soldier have died so far in the offensive. Senior Marine officers say intelligence reports suggest more than 120 insurgents have died.

NATO reported two more service member deaths suffered on Saturday — one by rocket or mortar fire in eastern Afghanistan and another in a bombing in southern Afghanistan. Neither was related to the Marjah area fighting, NATO said Sunday without identifying the victims by nationality.

On Sunday, Afghan Defense Ministry spokesman Gen. Mohammad Zahir Azimi said that they had been more prepared for large numbers of planted bombs than for the sniper shooting and sustained firefights that have characterized the last few days of the Marjah operation.

"We predicted it would take many days. But our prediction was that the insurgency would not resist that way. Maybe they would use more mines, or roadside bombs or these things," Azimi said.

Even so, he said the operation has always been planned to last a month and noted some aspects are ahead of schedule, including the deployment of Afghan police units to the town.

He said progress through the contested areas is intentionally slow so that troops can clear bombs and take the most care possible to prevent civilian casualties as they fight the insurgents.

On Saturday, President Hamid Karzai had urged NATO to do more to protect civilians during combat operations to secure Marjah.

NATO forces have repeatedly said they want to prevent civilian casualties but acknowledged that it is not always possible. On Saturday, the alliance said its troops killed another civilian in the Marjah area, bringing the civilian death toll from the operation to at least 16.

Though NATO had made progress in reducing civilian casualties — mainly by reducing airstrikes and restricting combat rules — more needed to be done, Karzai said.

"We need to reach the point where there are no civilian casualties," he said. "Our effort and our criticism will continue until we reach that goal."

Karzai had also reached out to Taliban fighters, urging them to renounce al-Qaida and join with the government.

But the process of reconciliation and reintegration is likely to prove difficult.

On Sunday, Mohammad Jan Rasool Yar, spokesman for Zabul province, said authorities arrested 14 police in the Shar-e Safa district on Saturday who had defected to the Taliban's side last week and were found on a bus heading to Pakistan.

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Associated Press Writer Amir Shah and Tini Tran in Kabul contributed to this report.

 

[Sino-PakFriendship]

If Taliban wants to survive, please don't intervene with China, Russia, Iran, India, Central Asia and Pakistan.

You cannot win the Asian ally against terrorism.

 

[waraich66]

If Taliban wants to survive, please don't intervene with China, Russia, Iran, India, Central Asia and Pakistan.

You cannot win the Asian ally against terrorism.

Tit for Tat , those supporting ISAF should be ready for revenge in case of Talaban victory.

In future Talaban Russia and China can make anti ISAF block.

 

[Tiger Awan]

China don't want to be enemy of Islam, but if Islam extremists want to be enemy of China, it is definitely a disaster for your Islam extremists.

My friend there is nothing as such ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS


These talibans are just following their leaders and what ever they dictate talibans accept it as Islam.

Islam has never gone for extremism.

 

[waraich66]

But that is the whole thing.......................Taliban are not winning, any major territorial gains you can quote ?

How much time ISAF need to defeat Talaban?

If ISAF fail to defeat them in nine years , then they should accept their defeat with grace like great warrior nations.

 

[Ahmad]

Tit for Tat , those supporting ISAF should be ready for revenge in case of Talaban victory.

In future Talaban Russia and China can make anti ISAF block.

Who the hell are you promoting violence in Afghanistan? If I say something in favour of TTP then i will bet banned by the admin/mods. so mind your own business and let us live a peaceful life.

 

[Ahmad]

How much time ISAF need to defeat Talaban?

If ISAF fail to defeat them in nine years , then they should accept their defeat with grace like great warrior nations.

PA have also not won the fight against TTP, what you say about that? what do you think how much time you need to defeat the mujahideen in paksitan?

 

[Ahmad]

If you vote to corrupt leaders , then you are not innocient , you are also partner of the crimes of your leaders.

Hence invaders and supporters of invaders should be eligible for same punishment.

and what do you think about your own corrupt gov? they are many times more professional corrupt leaders than ours!! If we go according to this stupid theory then every single person in pakistan who have voted in general elections should be executed, is that what you say? dont forget that it is you pakistanis who blame your own gov for corruption, being pupet, taking blood money etc etc etc. dont give us morality lessons. by the way, what the taliban did was killing innocetn people based on their ethnicity, religion, region and many more things, if that is what islam says then it is a different islam i believe in, my islam doesnt preach this.

You are running out of logic.

 

[waraich66]

and what do you think about your own corrupt gov? they are many times more professional corrupt leaders than ours!! If we go according to this stupid theory then every single person in pakistan who have voted in general elections should be executed, is that what you say? dont forget that it is you pakistanis who blame your own gov for corruption, being pupet, taking blood money etc etc etc. dont give us morality lessons. by the way, what the taliban did was killing innocetn people based on their ethnicity, religion, region and many more things, if that is what islam says then it is a different islam i believe in, my islam doesnt preach this.

You are running out of logic.

I am not supporter of my government , how i am running out of logic?

 

[waraich66]

PA have also not won the fight against TTP, what you say about that? what do you think how much time you need to defeat the mujahideen in paksitan?

TTP is defeated by PA with in few weeks , dont you know?

 

[Ahmad]

TTP is defeated by PA with in few weeks , dont you know?

I dont think they have been defeated. I dont know what you mean by defeat. They still control areas and also, they have got full capability of launching attacks in every corner of paksitan. if they lose that ability and capability then you can say they have been defeated. nowdays there are more explosions in pakistan than afghansitan.

 

[waraich66]

Who the hell are you promoting violence in Afghanistan? If I say something in favour of TTP then i will bet banned by the admin/mods. so mind your own business and let us live a peaceful life.

ISAF uprooted legitimate government of Talaban with force , so they violated the country and international law , no compromise at any cost with thugs and invaders is possible.They have to withdraw their forces ASAP.

 

[Ahmad]

I am not supporter of my government , how i am running out of logic?

YOu said those people who support corrupt leaders in afghanistan they deserve to die. i reminded you about your own gov and told you how there are similiarties, now i dont care if you voted or not, but there were milions of other pakistanis who voted for the leaders. if we apply your formulla in afghansitan on pakistanis as well, do you think all those who voted for the leaders in general election in pakistan should be killed?

 

[Parashuram1]

Did taliban attacked or declared war against these countries, they are defending their home land , which is their right.

What you will do if US attack your country ?

Did taliban attacked or declared war against these countries, they are defending their home land , which is their right.

Please talk about the situation BEFORE ISAF entered Afghanistan. First of all, I agree that Taliban has not invaded another country. However, Taliban became notorious for sheltering terrorists of Islamist fundamentalist cause from quite a lot of countries and this made Afghanistan the breeding ground of fundamentalist terrorism. Countries as diverse as extremists of middle east, south Asia, Russia and Caucasus came and started taking shelter in the region.

I am sure you must have heard the hijack of an airline from your neighbouring country that took place about 12 years back. The hijackers were allowed shelter and were given refuge along with forcing them to demand additional conditions from New Delhi.

In international diplomacy, sheltering a force hostile to another country and to numerous other countries is considered the same as abetting in their crime and therefore being regarded as an equal enemy.

Therefore, kindly don't get washed away by their "patriotic claims". This is a false mindset they are promoting to win the emotional support of numerous unaware and perhaps innocent Muslims around the world who don't know what these people harbor. I believe you hate us because we are not of your race or faith.

But just because we don't share your faith and race doesn't mean that we are lying. This 'we' includes entire West plus non-NATO and democratic countries around the world. After all, so many Western countries have accepted Afghan refugees... if we all were such big conspirators, why would we allow additional foreign burden on our economies? Please think with a cool head.

While ISAF might have some selfish interest in blackening Taliban's image completely, Talibans aren't exactly angels either and on many occasions have proven NATO correct, therefore tipping the scales in the latter's favor.

What you will do if US attack your country ?

Chinese haven't bombed and killed 3,000 people in USA. Chinese government hasn't sheltered terrorists that are considered a threat to the entire civilized world in general and neither intends to do so. Chinese condemn terrorism in such fundamentalist forms and have declared support in this initiative along with many other countries for ISAF cause. Therefore there is no reason for USA to attack China.

Don't you see it? Rival countries, regional rivals, old enemies, political competitors etc... everyone agrees on this same point and that is ouster and elimination of a threat like Taliban who are a danger to every country in Asia and by breeding more fundamentalism, a threat to all societies? Why do you think that so many countries agree from all different continents, races and cultures at one point in the UNO?

It is not like USA can or will threaten to attack 200 countries if they don't agree with them.