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so in your logic, anyone who oppose Muslim is anti islam? lol
how is that possible? every country have interest, why would China compromise her interest for Muslim world? how is that logic works?
People like you need to accept reality, this is how real world works


Listen am not talking abt getting opposed, you called me as “retard” without any basis, i donot know you, never talked to u before on PDF, and neither i called u any name, you started first, and now u r saying countries has interest, bla bla. That is another point,

Tell me with thousands and now a million of Chinese in Pakistan, societies built, companies made , all the money and profit is being taken by Chinese, infact US trying to complete blockade Malacca and Asia-Pacific, South China sea with militaries and Naval blockade, Pakistan is giving a new breath to China with new CPEC trade route under one belt one road initiative, because of this new route for China, Americans are not happy with Pakistan, they are talking sanctions.

You better wake up, the price Pakistan is giving for iron brother loyalty.
 
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Listen am not talking abt getting opposed, you called me as “retard” without any basis, i donot know you, never talked to u before on PDF, and neither i called u any name, you started first, and now u r saying countries has interest, bla bla. That is another point,

Tell me with thousands and now a million of Chinese in Pakistan, societies built, companies made , all the money and profit is being taken by Chinese, infact US trying to complete blockade Malacca and Asia-Pacific, South China sea with militaries and Naval blockade, Pakistan is giving a new breath to China with new CPEC trade route under one belt one road initiative, because of this new route for China, Americans are not happy with Pakistan, they are talking sanctions.

You better wake up, the price Pakistan is giving for iron brother loyalty.
and it's not because of good will, it's because pakistan interest!
it's singapore back down from Gwadar project, later it's being offer to Beijing.
Beijing draw the master plan and it's also China interest to develop western region.
 
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and it's not because of good will, it's because pakistan interest!
it's singapore back down from Gwadar project, later it's being offer to Beijing.
Beijing draw the master plan and it's also China interest to develop western region.

The Soviets aka Russians were begging Pakistan to give warm water trade access to seas of Gwadar and Karachi a straight access to Middkeast, and Russians were turned down in the 1980s while Pakistan interest existed but US stopped us and we all know who did wat to Soviets in Afghanistan, if it was not out of pure friendship and loyalty with Chinese, as well as interest Pakistan would not have allowed Chinese this new breath of fresh air after being strangled by Western powers around South-China Sea abd Strait of Malacca.
 
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The Soviets aka Russians were begging Pakistan to give warm water trade access to seas of Gwadar and Karachi a straight access to Middkeast, and Russians were turned out in the 1980s and we all who did wat to Soviets ,if it was not out of pure friendship and loyalty with Chinese, as well as interest Pakistan would not have allowed Chinese this new breath of fresh air after being strangled by Western powers around South-China Sea abd Strait of Malacca.
unfortunately no country can put investment as Much as China did.
and no country have expertise building huge project like China had.
no country have successful SEZ like China had
no country had manufacturing capacity to offer to Pakistan like China had.
your goverment know it all and they want it! it's also China interest to see Pakistan stable to keep our western region safe.
so it's mutual interest!
 
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The Soviets aka Russians were begging Pakistan to give warm water trade
unfortunately no country can put investment as Much as China did.
and no country have expertise building huge project like China had.
no country have successful SEZ like China had
no country had manufacturing capacity to offer to Pakistan like China had.
your goverment know it all and they want it! it's also China interest to see Pakistan stable to keep our western region safe.
so it's mutual interest!


I agree with u here. Its much easier for a neighbour to assist than someone coming to bring its equipment from Alasaka for say.
 
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Tell me with thousands and now a million of Chinese in Pakistan, societies built, companies made , all the money and profit is being taken by Chinese, infact US trying to complete blockade Malacca and Asia-Pacific, South China sea with militaries and Naval blockade, Pakistan is giving a new breath to China with new CPEC trade route under one belt one road initiative, because of this new route for China, Americans are not happy with Pakistan, they are talking sanctions.
Latest figures shows 60,000 Chinese in Pakistan. Vast majority are there temporarily for CPEC. The figure you have stated of a million is false.

The worrying thing is that China is having two faces when it comes to have relationship with Muslims, 1 is domestic anti Muslim and 2 is pro Muslim in foreign policy, now due to this I think Chinese should not be allowed to buy or lease assets in Pakistan.

Pakistan should use or learn KSA or UAE model in this regards.
I think Chinese looks at it from this perspective. China respects the right of Pakistan to conduct independent domestic policy and same goes for other nations. China respects the rights of Pakistanis within China within the framework of Chinese laws. China also thinks Chinese in Pakistan should follow Pakistani laws. China has the right to conduct independent domestic policy for itself. This is the approach Saudi Arabia is taking as well (recent event with Canada).

If other nations dictate domestic policies of China, are they not acting in the fashion of an imperial power? (from the perspective of China) especially when this is the force of an international organisation.

Dr. Yasir Qadhi mentioned in the video that Xinjiang was only part of China only recently but that region was under Chinese administration since Han dynasty before the Uyghurs settled their from Mongolia, on and off depending on the dynasty. If one listens carefully to his words, what he is proposing from a Chinese perspective leads to a separatist narrative and supports terrorism.

I understand some Muslims are passionate about the Ummah, it is a manifestation of political Islam. When one shares this brotherhood with other
Muslims, they must also share it with certain people that participate in distasteful and illegal behaviour. With people like this saying they are Muslims in China (American Muslim). How do you think the local population would feel? Should China blame Pakistanis or American Muslims for this man (Chinese don't blame Pakistan)? or is he doing it out of his own act? If one wishes to undertake something, one must also take responsibility for the consequences such as this man's behaviour. People like this makes Chinese think Ummah fanatics are dangerous people. Do people think it is right for China to enable mentality similar to this man?

As @Indus Pakistan mentioned before, Pakistan and a border-less concept such as the Ummah has certain contradictions that leads to others feeling uneasy and also problems domestically within Pakistan.

Simply put, different values brings differences in interpretation and this could lead to conflict if improperly managed. As the saying goes, "good fences makes good neighbors". Boundaries of interest needs to be set for development to happen. This was also a fact that people around my region in China had to realise to develop economically. Traditionally people in Manchuria had a saying "whatever is mine is yours" this works both ways and people were hospitable to each other for survival in the tough climate but people found this won't work to develop a modern economy, without boundaries relationships complicate and disputes arose that prevents development.
 
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I agree with u here. Its much easier for a neighbour to assist than someone coming to bring its equipment from Alasaka for say.
this also the reason why singapore back down, because Gwadar despite strategist location, it's need huge money to invest and considering geopolitic come in play, and the threat is india, the Risk is bigger than the benefit.
this is where China come. When Beijing hear about singapore plan to build gwadar , actualy Beijing already got the blue print and they know singapore will backdown and eventualy as Beijing predict Pakistan will offer that port to China. because only China can used and maximize it.
 
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@AsianUnion brother, this @Offshore troll is trying to get a reaction from you.

I have a suspicion about this troll, because he uses the same exact propaganda which Indian posters use. He eggs on Chinese to abuse Muslims.

I have already went into great detail with him and other Chinese posters about our Uyghur brothers and sisters.

Chinese government will fix its policy, I am sure. They are not as foolish as our Chinese PDF users.

Latest figures shows 60,000 Chinese in Pakistan. Vast majority are there temporarily for CPEC. The figure you have stated of a million is false.


I think Chinese looks at it from this perspective. China respects the right of Pakistan to conduct independent domestic policy and same goes for other nations. China respects the rights of Pakistanis within China within the framework of Chinese laws. China also thinks Chinese in Pakistan should follow Pakistani laws. China has the right to conduct independent domestic policy for itself. This is the approach Saudi Arabia is taking as well (recent event with Canada).

If other nations dictate domestic policies of China, are they not acting in the fashion of an imperial power? (from the perspective of China) especially when this is the force of an international organisation.

Dr. Yasir Qadhi mentioned in the video that Xinjiang was only part of China only recently but that region was under Chinese administration since Han dynasty before the Uyghurs settled their from Mongolia, on and off depending on the dynasty. If one listens carefully to his words, what he is proposing from a Chinese perspective leads to a separatist narrative and supports terrorism.

I understand some Muslims are passionate about the Ummah, it is a manifestation of political Islam. When one shares this brotherhood with other
Muslims, they must also share it with certain people that participate in distasteful and illegal behaviour. With people like this saying they are Muslims in China (American Muslim). How do you think the local population would feel? Should China blame Pakistanis or American Muslims for this man (Chinese don't blame Pakistan)? or is he doing it out of his own act? If one wishes to undertake something, one must also take responsibility for the consequences such as this man's behaviour. People like this makes Chinese think Ummah fanatics are dangerous people. Do people think it is right for China to enable mentality similar to this man?

As @Indus Pakistan mentioned before, Pakistan and a border-less concept such as the Ummah has certain contradictions that leads to others feeling uneasy and also problems domestically within Pakistan.

Simply put, different values brings differences in interpretation and this could lead to conflict if improperly managed. As the saying goes, "good fences makes good neighbors". Boundaries of interest needs to be set for development to happen. This was also a fact that people around my region in China had to realise to develop economically. Traditionally people in Manchuria had a saying "whatever is mine is yours" this works both ways and people were hospitable to each other for survival in the tough climate but people found this won't work to develop a modern economy, without boundaries relationships complicate and disputes arose that prevents development.

There is no such thing as political Islam, as Islam itself is political. The state of Madinah was not only a religious group but a nation state and Prophet Muhammad saws was a prophet-king.

Ummah is a concept in the Quran and Hadith. Muslims see themselves as a global community with one leader (a Khalifah,) which office at this moment is vacant. This is why there is a disagreement about the Ummah concept among liberalized Muslims.

This is why Muslims are called Ummat ul Muhammad saws. All prophets had an Ummah like Jesus (Christian) and Moses (Jews.) Ummah features prominiently in the Afterlife and Judgement Day, as mankind will be called up by Ummah with their prophets.

No matter how any Non-Muslim nations wish, the concept of Ummah and Pan-Islamic brotherhood cannot be erased due to its place in Islamic scripture and thought.
 
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If China wants ties with Turkey and CARs, it will have to revise its Uyghur policy.
It's powerful Ottoman empire 2.0 is begging for Chinese help. All America did was put some tariffs and the great empire 's lira drops 30%
:enjoy:
When a weak country like Myanmar had their ways with your rohingya brothers and sisters no Muslim countries in the world can do anything to stop the abuse. Once again China had to step in and put a stop to the rohingya abuse.
So please stop asking China for help if you hate Chinese so much. If you believe in the debt trap tell your government not to sign contracts with China and go with the west . Bitching about it in this forum isn't going to get real world sympathy.
@rcmj @sweetgrape Chinese need to be weary with the Muslim in its western province.
 
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No matter how any Non-Muslim nations wish, the concept of Ummah and Pan-Islamic brotherhood cannot be erased due to its place in Islamic scripture and thought.
Rubbish. Utter rubbish. Something that does not exist. Cannot be erased. A global lesbian sisterhood cannot be erased because it does not exist in the first place. A global cockroachhood cannot be erased because it simply does not exist. Ditto this ummah intoxicant.

Not a single state in the world follows the format you are describing. All of them in practice dump the very idea of political Islam. Yes they dump it. Take Pakistan. Does Pakistan accept citizenship on basis of being Muslim? Does Pakistan have a overarching cover to every Muslim on earth or does it by it's very nature accord citizenship to anybody resident over time within it's very defined borders - which accepts Christian Pakistan as citizens but goes out the way to exclude Muslim Afghans as citizens even if they have loved in Pakistan for 30 years? So please try to put some sense in common and have commonsense.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1426513/society-finding-home-the-afghans-of-pakistan
 
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alot Pakistan praying to their allah

This shows exactly your insecurities about Muslim and your hate against us.

Ever considered a job with BJP and Modi? You would fit right in like a missing puzzle piece.

Rubbish. Utter rubbish. Something that does not exist. Cannot be erased. A global lesbian sisterhood cannot be erased because it does not exist in the first place. A global cockroachhood cannot be erased because it simply does not exist. Ditto this ummah intoxicant.

Not a single state in the world follows the format you are describing. All of them in practice dump the very idea of political Islam. Yes they dump it. Take Pakistan. Does Pakistan accept citizenship on basis of being Muslim? Does Pakistan have a overarching cover to every Muslim on earth or does it by it's very nature accord citizenship to anybody resident over time within it's very defined borders - which accepts Christian Pakistan as citizens but goes out the way to exclude Muslim Afghans as citizens even if they have loved in Pakistan for 30 years? So please try to put some sense in common and have commonsense.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1426513/society-finding-home-the-afghans-of-pakistan

We can agree to disagree. You are my Pakistani and Muslim brother. I’m not going to argue with you.
 
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It's powerful Ottoman empire 2.0 is begging for Chinese help. All America did was put some tariffs and the great empire 's lira drops 30%
:enjoy:
When a weak country like Myanmar had their ways with your rohingya brothers and sisters no Muslim countries in the world can do anything to stop the abuse. Once again China had to step in and put a stop to the rohingya abuse.
So please stop asking China for help if you hate Chinese so much. If you believe in the debt trap tell your government not to sign contracts with China and go with the west . Bitching about it in this forum isn't going to get real world sympathy.
@rcmj @sweetgrape Chinese need to be weary with the Muslim in its western province.
the funny things is, turkey on PDF telling pakistani about Chinese debt trap, but at the same time their government swallowed by western debt trap..
oh, how i love the irony :lol:

This shows exactly your insecurities about Muslim and your hate against us.

Ever considered a job with BJP and Modi? You would fit right in like a missing puzzle piece.



We can agree to disagree. You are my Pakistani and Muslim brother. I’m not going to argue with you.
why would i feel insecurities? i laughing to the irony they praying to their allah , hoping their allah to destroy CCP but forgot it's CCP the one who pull CPEC, not your allah.
at the same time they don't pray to their allah to help their yamaneni brother.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
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