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I never saw a single thread quoting from very authentic courses. All the discussions have been about general perceptions, but things like excercises for promoting Jihad are really startling.The situation on textbooks and the 'myths' article have been discussed on several other threads. Please look them up.
Expected better response from you. All you could come up with was India does it as well??? Although I clarified in the first post, read the article without an eye on the flag.Historical distortions are nothing specific to Pakistan - after all most Indians go around repeating the 'Pakistan lost all wars with India', Pakistan started all wars with India, 'Genocide in East Pakistan and millions killed' canards ad infinitum.
Irrelevant and off topic rant.In addition, the impact of the inaccuracies in Pakistani textbooks does not seem to be reflected in the polling data, or else the Indians have similar issues, since opinion polls on the attitudes of Pakistanis towards Indians, and Indians towards Pakistanis are almost identical, with Pakistanis having slightly more favorable views of Indians.
There lies the problem, “if we are wrong, so are the Indians”. We are so much into this India-phobia that even though we know we are wrong, we try to justify our wrong by comparing it with the wrongs of the Indians instead of simply accepting the fact and trying to rectify it.
If the logic “I am wrong so is he” is correct than all the judicial and law-&-order institutions must be closed down. Everyone can getaway with his wrongdoings by simply comparing himself with another. I am a liar so what, Mr X is also a liar…I am a murderer so what, Mr X is also a murderer…I am distorting history so what others are doing the same...So there is basically no possibility of fixing up things – So is this a news for Pakistanis? Why are we in the current state of turmoil? Is it because of the Indians or the Americans or because of our own fantasies and habit of living in denials?
Until and unless we get rid of this India-phobia, we will never be able to fix things and our descent into chaos will continue.
Absolutely agree 100%. I think India does it too or Pakistan does it too is the most pathetic reply possible. It works both ways.
Self improvement begins with self realization. I was expecting some intelligent counters and justification / reasoning behind continued existence of these inaccuracies, The best I got was so does India (that too without sighting any particular example).
I think if both nations corrected these errors and we studied a common and real history, the animosity and tensions would also be greatly reduced. If Indians are taught how exactly the two nation theory came around and Pakistanis were taught that Muslims and Hindus fought shoulder to shoulder in the freedom struggle, a better understanding would prevail and also providing for a generation of better informed individual. We would be able to better understand where the person from across the border is coming from.
Specially at an impressionable state if a student is taught that India is Evil and Pakistan broke away from India, the notion stays with the kid and even later when he studies from wider sources, chances are that his views would be prejudiced and these kinds of silly justifications (He did it first, They do it too) creep in.
Hoping for a better, prosperous and peaceful tomorrow.
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Sir! Plz Excuse the language but i cant stop myself from saying that...
this "Gimme Proof" disease is endemic in Pakistan... and i guess you are not the only one with that problem...
How can you reject straight facts... and come up with... "gimme proof"???
We have seen it time and again... from recent Mumbai attacks (where i guess you needed a Pakistani passports of the ppl responsible in pakistan in those dead terrorists pockets to accept that they were indeed involved)... to since i donno when...
Coming back to that article...
1. Its anyways a factual discussion... stating facts you can cross check with just a lil bit of googl-ing... and not just Wikipedia... (For example: see myth 1... telling that there exists remains of mohenjo daro.. alexander did invade... et al..---- now if you deny that as wel then... )
2. Its written by a pakistani Professor... in a pakistani magazine... not an Indain (No RAW-Mosaad conspiracy)
.the Hindu and Muslim nations of the sub-continent have been, throughout the whole history and society of India, like two rivers which have flowed parallel to each other, but have never met or merged into one. These differences between the Hindu and Muslim nations which have characterized their whole history, social life, culture, customs, religious beliefs, world-views and lifestyles in the past and in the present, are the basis of the Two Nation Theory [11].
The Hindus and Muslims belong to two different religious philosophies, social customs, literatures. They neither intermarry nor intermingle together, and, indeed, they belong to two different civilizations which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions. Their views on life and of life are different. It is quite clear that Hindus and Mussulmans derive their inspiration from different sources of history. They have different epics, different heroes, and different episodes. Very often the hero of one is the foe of the other, and likewise, their victories and defeats overlap. To yoke together two such nations under a single state, one as a numerical minority nd the other as a majority, must lead to growing discontent and final destruction of any fabric that may be so built up for the government of such a state [12].
The Hindus had become very ambitious during the 19th century. They were dreaming of making this vast sub-continent and Hindu land by driving out the British rulers and exterminating the Muslims whom they called Malichchas or dirty people. It was the same kind of racialism and race-hatred that is found in all aggressive peoples and nations, like the ancient Aryans who called the non-Aryans as Dasyus or black-demons, or like Americans and Europeans who call the nonwhite peoples of the world as ‘gooks’, etc. [13].
‘There were many Hindu leaders in the 19th century who preached revivalism and fundamentalism among the Hindus’ [14,15].
In the middle of the city of Dabel there was a Hindu temple. There was a flag hoisted on top of it. The Hindus believed that as long as the flag kept flying, nobody could harm them. Mohd. Bin Qasim found out about this belief. The Muslims began to catapult stones at the temple and at the flag, ultimately making it fall to the ground. The whole city became tumultuous and the Hindus lost heart. Some Muslims clambered up the walls of the temple and forced open the door. Qasim’s army entered the city and after conquering it, announced peace. The Muslims treated the vanquished so well that many Hindus converted to Islam [41].
During the Khilafat Movement the Hindus and Muslims were completely united and like brothers and they started to co-operate and live in peaceful togetherness. But as soon as this movement ended, Hindu hatred of the Muslims re-emerged [59].
.the British rulers decided to humiliate and suppress their Muslim subjects by all means at their disposal. They showered favours upon the Hindus, while they denied all opportunities for education, employment, wealth and progress to the Muslims [22].
The English and the Christian ‘others’, jealous of Muslim superiority, destroyed the Muslim due to vengefulness. The Muslims lag behind only because of the English, not because of historical dynamics within their own community. The curricular objective to instill ‘pride in being a Muslim’ is fulfilled in the construction of the self in terms of superiority. All forms of nationalism seem to partake of the ideas of the superiority of the self as the basis for the hostility of the ‘other’ towards the self. In the process, one’s own conscious or unconscious hostility is elided.The Muslims ruled the sub-continent for over a thousand years. They were, therefore, superior to all other nations residing there. In terms of Knowledge, art, technical expertise, civilization, no other nation could compete with them. After the war of independence, the English took revenge upon the Muslims and confiscated their property, harmed their businesses, threw them out of jobs and over a short period of time, destroyed their lives and they started to lag behind in every field [44].
After the death of emperor Aurangzeb in 1707, the Mughal dynasty became weak and mutinies began in several provinces. When the government of the Punjab became weak, the Sikhs began to increase their influence and started plundering the larger cities of the Punjab. Lahore and Multan were plundered and looted several times by the Sikhs who murdered the people and unleashed terror and violence upon them. Finally, the Sikh ruler Ranjit Singh established his hold over the Punjab and the Sikhs and the Hindus together committed many atrocities and cruelties upon the Muslims. They particularly desecrated Muslim holy places and shrines [39].
In the gory tale of wounding and murdering at partition, the story of killing and murdering by Muslims is a silence in the text. It has been recorded by many noted scholars, that during partition violence, rape and murder were committed by all religious communities against all others [32].he second appearance of the murdering, knife-wielding Sikh around the time of partition can be viewed in the following depiction taken from the Pakistan Studies textbook for Classes IX and X produced in March 2002:
When the Hindus and Sikhs realized that Pakistan is being established, they started riots in parts of the Punjab. As a result hundreds of thousands of Muslims were wounded and murdered. In this difficult time, the Muslims of the Punjab did not let go of fortitude and strength and welcomed the refugees from Indian territory and were generous to them. They proved that Muslims always help each other [27].
Certain political elements began to propagate that nation depends on language and ethnicity instead of religion. This led to an increase in provincial prejudices. Shaikh Mujib-ur-Rehman took full advantage and started telling the people that the people of West Pakistan were exploiting them. He had the support of India and other enemies of Pakistan to break Pakistan up into pieces. He started to sow hatred into the hearts of the Bengalis. The Bengalis were influenced by this propaganda and as a result the Awami League won the election overwhelmingly. Mujib started to propagate a confederation and said that East Pakistanis can only develop under his 6 point formula. This was an evil design dressed in the garb of provincial autonomy. The Awami Leaguers and the so-called Mukti Bahini began the mass murder of non- Bengalis. They destroyed public property. In this storm of murder and looting, nobody’s life and property was safe. At every step the law of the land was violated. Bangladeshi flags were flown all over the land. Finally in order to overcome this revolt, the Pakistan army was given authority. India started to pass statements to incite the Bengalis against the Pakistan army. India convinced them that the Pakistani army is inflicting cruelty upon them. Finally Mujib-ur-Rehman was arrested and India, which was fully part of the conspiracy by Mujib, made a great noise over this arrest. India used the insurgents and miscreants and started a poisonous campaign against Pakistan all over the world. When India saw that it is achieving its nefarious designs, it attacked Pakistan. The Pakistan army fought with full courage for the sake of the pure land, they sacrificed their lives. If they had been allowed to go on fighting, the enemy would never have succeeded, but because of incompetent leadership in Pakistan, they had to surrender. So, finally East Pakistan became separate from Pakistan due to treason of Awami League, and Indian aggression. The whole Pakistani nation was tormented and writhing in the pain of this deep wound [3]
The conspiracy to create Bangladesh is internationalized and there is now a multiplicity of conspirators who collaborate to break up Pakistan. Various ‘others’ are here together in crime against a beleaguered self. The military succeeded in restoring peace and order, says the textbook, but what it does not say is that it was a repressive and unjust peace and an authoritarian order that were restored.Awami League’s victory in East Pakistan encouraged the internal and foreign enemies of Pakistan to hatch a conspiracy against the unity and solidarity of the country by inciting a revolt in East ‘Wing’ of Pakistan.This was indeed a scheme of international conspirators.Though the army succeeded in restoring peace and order in East Pakistan, but some of the Awami League leaders fled across the border to India. They were welcomed by the Indian Government which was then preparing its army for the invasion of East Pakistan. The Awami League leaders set up a ‘Bangladesh Government’ at Calcutta in Bharat, which was promptly recognized by India and her friends, like the USSR.A few months later the Indian army launched an aggression against Pakistan and after a month of fierce fighting in East Pakistan, Dacca, its capital, fell to the Indian aggressors on December 16, 1971 [23].
BUT HAVING SAID ALL THIS I GUESS OUR TEXTBOOKS are wrong they need to be corrected but INDIAN MEDIA CURRENTLY is spreading all the hate from across the border!
Right!There lies the problem, if we are wrong, so are the Indians. We are so much into this India-phobia that even though we know we are wrong, we try to justify our wrong by comparing it with the wrongs of the Indians instead of simply accepting the fact and trying to rectify it.
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