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July 22-23, 2006
The Shame of Being
An American


By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

Do you know that Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing in southern Lebanon? Israel has ordered all the villagers to clear out. Israel then destroys their homes and murders the fleeing villagers. That way there is no one to come back and nothing to which to return, making it easier for Israel to grab the territory, just as Israel has been stealing Palestine from the Palestinians.

Do you know that one-third of the Lebanese civilians murdered by Israel’s attacks on civilian residential districts are children? That is the report from Jan Egeland, the emergency relief coordinator for the UN. He says it is impossible for help to reach the wounded and those buried in rubble, because Israeli air strikes have blown up all the bridges and roads. Considering how often (almost always) Israel misses Hizbollah targets and hits civilian ones, one might think that Israeli fire is being guided by US satellites and US military GPS. Don’t be surprised at US complicity. Why would the puppet be any less evil than the puppet master?

Of course, you don’t know these things, because the US print and TV media do not report them.

Because Bush is so proud of himself, you do know that he has blocked every effort to stop the Israeli slaughter of Lebanese civilians. Bush has told the UN “NO.” Bush has told the European Community “NO.” Bush has told the pro-American Lebanese prime minister “NO.” Twice. Bush is very proud of his firmness. He is enjoying Israel’s rampage and wishes he could do the same thing in Iraq.

Does it make you a Proud American that “your” president gave Israel the green light to drop bombs on convoys of villagers fleeing from Israeli shelling, on residential neighborhoods in the capital of Beirut and throughout Lebanon, on hospitals, on power plants, on food production and storage, on ports, on civilian airports, on bridges, on roads, on every piece of infrastructure on which civilized life depends? Are you a Proud American? Or are you an Israeli puppet?

On July 20, “your” House of Representatives voted 410-8 in favor of Israel’s massive war crimes in Lebanon. Not content with making every American complicit in war crimes, “your” House of Representatives, according to the Associated Press, also “condemns enemies of the Jewish state.”

Who are the “enemies of the Jewish state”?

They are the Palestinians whose land has been stolen by the Jewish state, whose homes and olive groves have been destroyed by the Jewish state, whose children have been shot down in the streets by the Jewish state, whose women have been abused by the Jewish state. They are Palestinians who have been walled off into ghettos, who cannot reach their farm lands or medical care or schools, who cannot drive on roads through Palestine that have been constructed for Israelis only. They are Palestinians whose ancient towns have been invaded by militant Zionist “settlers” under the protection of the Israeli army who beat and persecute the Palestinians and drive them out of their towns. They are Palestinians who cannot allow their children outside their homes because they will be murdered by Israeli “settlers.”

The Palestinians who confront Israeli evil are called “terrorists.” When Bush forced free elections on Palestine, the people voted for Hamas. Hamas is the organization that has stood up to the Jewish state. This means, of course, that Hamas is evil, anti-semitic, un-American and terrorist. The US and Israel responded by cutting off all funds to the new government. Democracy is permitted only if it produces the results Bush and Israel want.

Israelis never practice terror. Only those who are in Israel’s way are terrorists.

Another enemy of the Jewish state is Hizbollah. Hizbollah is a militia of Shia Muslims created in 1982 when Israel first invaded Lebanon. During this invasion the great moral Jewish state arranged for the murder of refugees in refugee camps. The result of Israel’s atrocities was Hizbollah, which fought the Israeli army, defeated it, and drove it, with its tail between its legs, out of Lebanon. Today Hizbollah not only defends southern Lebanon but also provides social services such as orphanages and medical care.

To cut to the chase, the enemies of the Jewish state are any Muslim country not ruled by an American puppet friendly to Israel. Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and the oil emirates have sided with Israel against their own kind, because they are dependent either on American money or on American protection from their own people. Sooner or later these totally corrupt governments that do not represent the people they rule will be overthrown. It is only a matter of time.

Indeed Bush and Israel may be hastening the process in their frantic effort to overthrow the governments of Syria and Iran. Both governments have more popular support than Bush has, but the White House Moron doesn’t know this. The Moron thinks Syria and Iran will be “cakewalks” like Iraq, where ten proud divisions of the US military are tied down by a few lightly armed insurgents.

If you are still a Proud American, consider that your pride is doing nothing good for Israel or for America.

On July 20 when “your” House of Representatives, following “your” US Senate, passed the resolution in support of Israel’s war crimes, the most powerful lobby in Washington, the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), quickly got out a press release proclaiming “The American people overwhelming support Israel’s war on terrorism and understand that we must stand by our closest ally in this time of crisis.”

The truth is that Israel created the crisis by invading a country with a pro-American government. The truth is that the American people do not support Israel’s war crimes, as the CNN quick poll results make clear and as was made clear by callers into C-Span.

Despite the Israeli spin on news provided by US “reporting,” a majority of Americans do not approve of Israeli atrocities against Lebanese civilians. Hizbollah is located in southern Lebanon. If Israel is targeting Hizbollah, why are Israeli bombs falling on northern Lebanon? Why are they falling on Beirut? Why are they falling on civilian airports? On schools and hospitals?

Now we arrive at the main point. When the US Senate and House of Representatives pass resolutions in support of Israeli war crimes and condemn those who resist Israeli aggression, the Senate and House confirm Osama bin Laden’s propaganda that America stands with Israel against the Arab and Muslim world.

Indeed, Israel, which has one of the world’s largest per capita incomes, is the largest recipient of US foreign aid. Many believe that much of this “aid” comes back to AIPAC, which uses it to elect “our” representatives in Congress.

This perception is no favor to Israel, whose population is declining, as the smart ones have seen the writing on the wall and have been leaving. Israel is surrounded by hundreds of millions of Muslims who are being turned into enemies of Israel by Israel’s actions and inhumane policies.

The hope in the Muslim world has always been that the United States would intervene in behalf of compromise and make Israel realize that Israel cannot steal Palestine and turn every Palestinian into a refugee.

This has been the hope of the Arab world. This is the reason our puppets have not been overthrown. This hope is the reason America still had some prestige in the Arab world.

The House of Representatives resolution, bought and paid for by AIPAC money, is the final nail in the coffin of American prestige in the Middle East. It shows that America is, indeed, Israel’s puppet, just as Osama bin Laden says, and as a majority of Muslims believe.

With hope and diplomacy dead, henceforth America and Israel have only tooth and claw. The vaunted Israeli army could not defeat a rag tag militia in southern Lebanon. The vaunted US military cannot defeat a rag tag, lightly armed, insurgency drawn from a minority of the population in Iraq, insurgents, moreover, who are mainly engaged in civil war against the Shia majority.

What will the US and its puppet master do? Both are too full of hubris and paranoia to admit their terrible mistakes. Israel and the US will either destroy from the air the civilian infrastructure of Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, and Iran so that civilized life becomes impossible for Muslims, or the US and Israel will use nuclear weapons to intimidate Muslims into acquiescence to Israel’s desires.

Muslim genocide in one form or another is the professed goal of the neoconservatives who have total control over the Bush administration. Neocon godfather Norman Podhoretz has called for World War IV (in neocon thinking WW III was the cold war) to overthrow Islam in the Middle East, deracinate the Islamic religion and turn it into a formalized, secular ritual.

Rumsfeld’s neocon Pentagon has drafted new US war doctrine that permits pre-emptive nuclear attack on non-nuclear states.

Neocon David Horowitz says that by slaughtering Palestinian and Lebanese civilians, “Israel is doing the work of the rest of the civilized world,” thus equating war criminals with civilized men.

Neocon Larry Kudlow says that “Israel is doing the Lord’s work” by murdering Lebanese, a claim that should give pause to Israel’s Christian evangelical supporters. Where does the Lord Jesus say, “go forth and murder your neighbors so that you may steal their lands”?

The complicity of the American public in these heinous crimes will damn America for all time in history.

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.He can be reached at: paulcraigroberts@yahoo.com
 
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Averröes said:
Israel has ordered all the villagers to clear out.
Would you prefer they gave the villagers no warning?
Averröes said:
That way there is no one to come back and nothing to which to return, making it easier for Israel to grab the territory, just as Israel has been stealing Palestine from the Palestinians.
Israel is currently unilaterally withdrawing from the occupied territories, and despite plenty of opportunity has never settled Lebanon
Averröes said:
Do you know that one-third of the Lebanese civilians murdered by Israel’s attacks on civilian residential districts are children? That is the report from Jan Egeland, the emergency relief coordinator for the UN. He says it is impossible for help to reach the wounded and those buried in rubble, because Israeli air strikes have blown up all the bridges and roads.
How does he know what the statistics are then?
Averröes said:
Of course, you don’t know these things, because the US print and TV media do not report them.
CNN and Fox have both covered Lebanese casualties extensively, as has Sky and the BBC
Averröes said:
On July 20, “your” House of Representatives voted 410-8 in favor of Israel’s massive war crimes in Lebanon. Not content with making every American complicit in war crimes, “your” House of Representatives, according to the Associated Press, also “condemns enemies of the Jewish state.”
The only direct American activity in this debacle has been to evacuate foreign nationals from several countries, so how exactly is America complicit in war crimes?

Who are the “enemies of the Jewish state”?
Averröes said:
They are the Palestinians whose land has been stolen by the Jewish state, whose homes and olive groves have been destroyed by the Jewish state, whose children have been shot down in the streets by the Jewish state, whose women have been abused by the Jewish state. They are Palestinians who have been walled off into ghettos, who cannot reach their farm lands or medical care or schools, who cannot drive on roads through Palestine that have been constructed for Israelis only. They are Palestinians whose ancient towns have been invaded by militant Zionist “settlers” under the protection of the Israeli army who beat and persecute the Palestinians and drive them out of their towns. They are Palestinians who cannot allow their children outside their homes because they will be murdered by Israeli “settlers.”
As I have already stated Israel has unilaterally begun withdrawing its settlements in occupied territory, with, I might add, opposition from the Palestinian Authority who opposes the withdrawl because they 'weren't consulted'
Averröes said:
The Palestinians who confront Israeli evil are called “terrorists.” When Bush forced free elections on Palestine, the people voted for Hamas.
How exactly did Bush 'force' free elections on the Palestinians? Are you saying these elections were a bad thing?
Averröes said:
Another enemy of the Jewish state is Hizbollah. Hizbollah is a militia of Shia Muslims created in 1982 when Israel first invaded Lebanon. During this invasion the great moral Jewish state arranged for the murder of refugees in refugee camps. The result of Israel’s atrocities was Hizbollah, which fought the Israeli army, defeated it, and drove it, with its tail between its legs, out of Lebanon. Today Hizbollah not only defends southern Lebanon but also provides social services such as orphanages and medical care.
Hezbollah is an Iranian mercenary army who have occupied the south of Lebanon against the Lebanese Governments wishes since Israels withdrawl.
As part of the UN brokered withdrawl agreement hezbollah agreed to disarm, instead their Iranian commanders have trained them and equiped them with state of the art weaponry
Averröes said:
To cut to the chase, the enemies of the Jewish state are any Muslim country not ruled by an American puppet friendly to Israel. Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and the oil emirates have sided with Israel against their own kind, because they are dependent either on American money or on American protection from their own people. Sooner or later these totally corrupt governments that do not represent the people they rule will be overthrown. It is only a matter of time.
They have sided with Israel because they are opposed to a Shia hedgemony controlled from Iran.
Averröes said:
Indeed Bush and Israel may be hastening the process in their frantic effort to overthrow the governments of Syria and Iran. Both governments have more popular support than Bush has, but the White House Moron doesn’t know this. The Moron thinks Syria and Iran will be “cakewalks” like Iraq, where ten proud divisions of the US military are tied down by a few lightly armed insurgents.
It is indeed the intent of America and many other nations that the Iranian theocracy be overthrown, Syria is irrelevant as it is an Iranian vassal state.
Averröes said:
The truth is that Israel created the crisis by invading a country with a pro-American government.
The truth is that Israel attacked an Iranian mercenary army on Lebanese soil after that army attacked them.
Averröes said:
Israel is surrounded by hundreds of millions of Muslims who are being turned into enemies of Israel by Israel’s actions and inhumane policies.
Israel has peaceful relationships with two of its three neighbours, and would be a peace with Lebanon if Irans mercanary army didn't attack them from there. It is also the Lebanese governments wish that hezbollah be removed from Lebanon.
Averröes said:
The hope in the Muslim world has always been that the United States would intervene in behalf of compromise and make Israel realize that Israel cannot steal Palestine and turn every Palestinian into a refugee.
Compromise has resulted in thirty years of failure.
Averröes said:
Muslim genocide in one form or another is the professed goal of the neoconservatives who have total control over the Bush administration. Neocon godfather Norman Podhoretz has called for World War IV (in neocon thinking WW III was the cold war) to overthrow Islam in the Middle East, deracinate the Islamic religion and turn it into a formalized, secular ritual.
Any actual evidence of this?

Averröes said:
The complicity of the American public in these heinous crimes will damn America for all time in history.
Again, America's direct involvement has been limited to evacuation. By this logic, every single person in the world who has not taken an active role to oppose Israels actions is complicit, an obvious fallacy. If you are opposed to Israels actions, blame Israel.
 
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Israel is currently unilaterally withdrawing from the occupied territories, and despite plenty of opportunity has never settled Lebanon

really? After turning gaza into a humanitarian disaster, and stealing more land in the west bank? erecting an apartheid wall that steals more and more land, and that illegal jewish settlements keep on increasing.

CNN and Fox have both covered Lebanese casualties extensively, as has Sky and the BBC

Please, Fox is a mockery of news, and sky is its counterpart in british media. BBC is even extensively pro israel now, ruining their reputation. when fox (fiction) news' newsreporter was shot at by the israelis the news castors made riduculous excuses as, well when u see something in a distance u just shoot.

The only direct American activity in this debacle has been to evacuate foreign nationals from several countries, so how exactly is America complicit in war crimes?

WASHINGTON, July 21 — The Bush administration is rushing a delivery of precision-guided bombs to Israel, which requested the expedited shipment last week after beginning its air campaign against Hezbollah targets in Lebanon, American officials said Friday.

The decision to quickly ship the weapons to Israel was made with relatively little debate within the Bush administration, the officials said. Its disclosure threatens to anger Arab governments and others because of the appearance that the United States is actively aiding the Israeli bombing campaign in a way that could be compared to Iran’s efforts to arm and resupply Hezbollah.

The munitions that the United States is sending to Israel are part of a multimillion-dollar arms sale package approved last year that Israel is able to draw on as needed, the officials said. But Israel’s request for expedited delivery of the satellite and laser-guided bombs was described as unusual by some military officers, and as an indication that Israel still had a long list of targets in Lebanon to strike.

http://www.ziopedia.org/content/view/820/1/

As I have already stated Israel has unilaterally begun withdrawing its settlements in occupied territory, with, I might add, opposition from the Palestinian Authority who opposes the withdrawl because they 'weren't consulted'

You can repeat a lie over and over again, that doesn't mean there's any truth to it. West Bank is still occupied, and Israel is the worst Apartheid state out there. World Bank requires israel to withdraw from all occupied territories to 1967 borders, Israeli prime minister has said several times he will never do this and continue to steal land and form its borders themselves after continuous oppression and land grab.

Hezbollah is an Iranian mercenary army who have occupied the south of Lebanon against the Lebanese Governments wishes since Israels withdrawl.
As part of the UN brokered withdrawl agreement hezbollah agreed to disarm, instead their Iranian commanders have trained them and equiped them with state of the art weaponry

Hizbullah is the lebanese resistance which humilated the Jewish Oppressors and forced them to withdraw after decades of the worst occupation to be seen.

They have sided with Israel because they are opposed to a Shia hedgemony controlled from Iran.

No, as the author factually reveals they are corrupt governments who know they are next to fall if Israel is defeated. It is in their greedy interest to see to it that justice is not established.

The truth is that Israel created the crisis by invading a country with a pro-American government.

The truth is that Israel was created through the genocide and ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population. It administers a worse apartheid than south africa, and bombards civilians and civilians infrastructure. It's the peak of state terrorism. Nobody can put israel on trial, but they have the right to put everyone else on trial - sharon.

The complicity of the American public in these heinous crimes will damn America for all time in history.

Without american support Israel is crippled.

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."

-- David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country."
-- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

new zealand? haven't you made aaliyah yet?
 
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Averröes said:
really? After turning gaza into a humanitarian disaster, and stealing more land in the west bank? erecting an apartheid wall that steals more and more land, and that illegal jewish settlements keep on increasing.
Yes, really, or haven't you noticed all the news about Israeli settlers being forcefully evicted from their settlements?


Averröes said:
Please, Fox is a mockery of news, and sky is its counterpart in british media. BBC is even extensively pro israel now, ruining their reputation. when fox (fiction) news' newsreporter was shot at by the israelis the news castors made riduculous excuses as, well when u see something in a distance u just shoot.
Whatever your opinion of these news outlets, it doesn't change the fact that they are covering Lebanese civilian casualties in depth.


Averröes said:
WASHINGTON, July 21 — The Bush administration is rushing a delivery of precision-guided bombs to Israel, which requested the expedited shipment last week after beginning its air campaign against Hezbollah targets in Lebanon, American officials said Friday.
Like the rockets supplied by Iran to its mercenary army, hezbollah. Haven't you also noticed that the Lebanese government has stated repeatedly that they do not want this Iranian army on their soil?
Averröes said:
You can repeat a lie over and over again, that doesn't mean there's any truth to it. West Bank is still occupied, and Israel is the worst Apartheid state out there. World Bank requires israel to withdraw from all occupied territories to 1967 borders, Israeli prime minister has said several times he will never do this and continue to steal land and form its borders themselves after continuous oppression and land grab.
Oh of course, that'll be why they gave back the Sinai to Egypt then, is it?

Averröes said:
Hizbullah is the lebanese resistance which humilated the Jewish Oppressors and forced them to withdraw after decades of the worst occupation to be seen.
:lol::cheesy: hezbollah is an Iranian mercenary army illegally occupying southern Lebanon against the wishes of both the UN and the Lebanese government.


Averröes said:
No, as the author factually reveals they are corrupt governments who know they are next to fall if Israel is defeated. It is in their greedy interest to see to it that justice is not established.
Of course, anyone who doesn't believe in the Shia theocracy is corrupt, isn't it.
Averröes said:
The truth is that Israel created the crisis by invading a country with a pro-American government.
Actually all they've done so far is bomb the crap out of it, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they did invade and wipe their feet on hezbollah, would'nt blame them either.


Averröes said:
Without american support Israel is crippled.
That'd be why they kicked the crap out of their neighbours in the 67 war, despite the neighbours having better armaments and far greater numbers then?
Averröes said:
new zealand? haven't you made aaliyah yet?
What, the rhythm & blues singer? :confused:
 
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Oh, and I can cut and paste quotes too
As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
“There is no doubt that the new wave (of attacks) in Palestine will wipe off this stigma (Israel) from the face of the Islamic world, ... The World without Zionism. Anybody who recognises Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nations' fury [and] is acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world.”
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/10/27/wiran27.xml
"Our enemies can deal a blow to us any time they wish. They do not wait for permission to do this. They do not deal a blow with prior notice. They did not take action because they can't."
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

oops, got that one wrong, didn't he:lol:


"The wave of the Islamic revolution will soon reach the entire world."


Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
 
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The most stark fact of American bias in favor of Israel is visible if you just take a look at how CNN presents its coverage of these recent clashes. Their correspondents totally tow Israeli chain of thought and if they are interviewing someone who starts to express dissappointment at Israeli actions n condemn them, these correspondents start to put words in that person's mouth and start asking him questions that are manipulative enough to make the person being interviewed feel awkward.

And the US has just agreed to providing Israel with more Guided Bombs to help in its atrocities in Lebanon. Just stark foreign policy bias.
 
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If you think CNN is bias wait until you turn your TV onto Fox News.
 
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Parihaka,
Number 1 the gaza settlments were small, only 4 in total.
Number 2 they were illegal under UN resolutions, and before you jump on me, remember no UNSC Resolution can pass without an Aye form the US.
Number 3, israel still controls the ports, exist and entry to Gaza. Its a damn prsion.

As for the Arabs, well all I can say is,
"Vae Victis", woe to the vanquished.

Israel will ask the people of South Leb to leave, and then wham occupy and creat settlements, just like 1948, 1967.
 
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Yes, really, or haven't you noticed all the news about Israeli settlers being forcefully evicted from their settlements?

Israeli settlers are Illegal settlers by International Law, and their removal is following LAW wheraas Palestinians are evicted from their homes illegally.

Whatever your opinion of these news outlets, it doesn't change the fact that they are covering Lebanese civilian casualties in depth.

In depth?

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/AEEFA95C-1ED7-4BD0-9CE5-7FEEC2613B68.htm

MSNBC decides to begin its newscast from Israel with a graphic that reads "breaking news: more than 250 killed in 7 days of fighting in Israel and Lebanon". There is no indication of which side is doing the lion's share of the killing, perpetuating a false sense of balance on the battlefield.

That'd be why they kicked the crap out of their neighbours in the 67 war, despite the neighbours having better armaments and far greater numbers then?

67 was an israeli aggression, part of their Greater Israel strategy. Everything from the Nile to the Euphrates is promised to them according to their mentality, and they can do whatever they wish since they dwell without sin.

"I do not think Nasser wanted war. The two divisions he sent to The Sinai would not have been sufficient to launch an offensive war. He knew it and we knew it." Yitzhak Rabin, Israel's Chief of Staff in 1967, in Le Monde, 2/28/68

"The former Commander of the Air Force, General Ezer Weitzman, regarded as a hawk, stated that there was 'no threat of destruction' but that the attack on Egypt, Jordan and Syria was nevertheless justified so that Israel could 'exist according the scale, spirit, and quality she now embodies.'...Menahem Begin had the following remarks to make: 'In June 1967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.' "Noam Chomsky, "The Fateful Triangle."

"In violation of international law, Israel has confiscated over 52 percent of the land in the West Bank and 30 percent of the Gaza Strip for military use or for settlement by Jewish civilians...From 1967 to 1982, Israel's military government demolished 1,338 Palestinian homes on the West Bank. Over this period, more than 300,000 Palestinians were detained without trial for various periods by Israeli security forces." Intifada: The Palestinian Uprising Against Israeli Occupation," ed. Lockman and Beinin.

The fact that arab governments are corrupt and undemocratic has nothing to do with Shia, Hizbullah - Shia resistance movement - has democratic seats in government, In Iraq Shias won a majority through democracy - with the islamic republic the referendum vote resulted in Theocracy. It is in the people's interest to change regimes in those arab nations who side with israel, but this is against zionism's interests. For democracy would bring an end to the worst apartheid seen to man.

Actually all they've done so far is bomb the crap out of it, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they did invade and wipe their feet on hezbollah, would'nt blame them either.

Zionist mentality for you. Those who do not hesitate to kill pregnant women on their way to the hospital, those who do not hesitate to break childrens bones as a policy, do not hesitate to blow up vital civilian infrastructure. Nothing lives. Everyone has to evacuate, for this is ours.

They're attacking from the sky simply because they cannot do a ground invasion, Hizbullah has proven that they're capable in ground warfare. They've attacked all of lebanese civilian infrastructure. In 2 seperate attacks they killed 15 children and 9 children. But then again, simply replaying biblical massacres.

“Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth! For the Lord has spoken: 'I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against Me; the ox knows its owner and the donkey its master's crib; but Israel does not know, My people do not consider. Alas, sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a brood of evildoers, children who are corrupters! They have forsaken the Lord, they have provoked to anger the Holy One of Israel, they have turned backward. Why should you be stricken again? You will revolt more and more. The whole head is sick, and the whole heart faints. From the sole of the foot even to the head, there is no soundness in it, but wounds and bruises and putrefying sores; they have not been closed or bound up, or soothed with ointment.”
(Isaiah 1:2-6)
 
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Averröes said:
They're attacking from the sky simply because they cannot do a ground invasion, Hizbullah has proven that they're capable in ground warfare.

ROFLMAO!!! Well, I know the level of your expertise.
 
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sparten said:
Parihaka,
Number 1 the gaza settlments were small, only 4 in total.
Number 2 they were illegal under UN resolutions, and before you jump on me, remember no UNSC Resolution can pass without an Aye form the US.
Number 3, israel still controls the ports, exist and entry to Gaza. Its a damn prsion.
Agreed. Israel should get the hell out of the Gaza strip and west bank, preferably to the limits of the original pre 67 boundaries, the likelyhood of that happening however is nil. Any withdrawl is however a good withdrawl.
sparten said:
As for the Arabs, well all I can say is,
"Vae Victis", woe to the vanquished.

Israel will ask the people of South Leb to leave, and then wham occupy and creat settlements, just like 1948, 1967.
I think a UN administered buffer zone is more likely, as for the Lebanese being able to return in numbers, I wait to see.
 
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