The Security Dynamics of Balochistan

[Amaa'n]

There has to be a force raised which doesn't liaison with Baluchistan Police/Constabulary, Baluchistan FC, Levies, Khasadars and even with FIA and other Civilian intel wings like IB as well as Government Provincial Staff. There are traitors and local sympathizers with in all the above mentioned ranks.

The head of this force should be able to gather intel from all sources - IB, FIA, ISI, MI, CMI and other intel wings, confirm through own intel wing and then direct action using his own troops at his own accord with a timing and place of his department's own choosing. The force should be inserted through HALO drops and extracted through transport helis. Ground support would be non existent expect Operatives on the ground taking part in Ops. CAS through helis for precision hits should always be there and PAF on stand by if "broken arrow" is required. However, Only Army should be called for Ground support - if Ops goes terribly wrong. Transport helis should also have contingent of Med Evac Helis and a command post in the air (Rotary or fixed).

Their base of Ops should never be known and should even be flown from Sindh and KPK into Baluchistan without using Samungli AFB even. The Baluch Govt and LEAs operating in Baluchistan should never know about whereabouts of this force. The force should be HQ'ed within Military cantonments and officers/troops should be inducted for Ops from different LCB/SSG/SSW/SSG(N) formations prior to 12 Hours before H-Hour. The Head of this force should answer only to PM, COAS/CAS/CNS. At any given time, 3 x platoons (90 troops) should always be prepared with in 12 hours notice with aviation assets (transport and Gunships). Ops completion time shouldn't be more than 60 minutes, including Exfil from the ground. Motto should be "Get in - Get out - Quick". A Reserve force of 2 x Platoons (60 troops) should always be on stand by - preferably in the air during the 1 hour Ops. This force should be dropped on designated smuggler routes without knowledge of local Police and local LEAs to ambush and take out "smugglers" who enter Pakistan from Iran and Afghanistan.

This model should expose traitors within ranks and corrupt officials who support them.

A good proposal but is that SMART or do-able ? I agree that we have lost all lot of good men due to comprised intelligence, many boys have walked right into the trap, be it Military, F.C or Intel teams.

There is still lack of coordination among all departments, we will have MI doing one thing & ISI doing another. Even with-in MI we will have one Survey group doing their work and not be aware that SB is running it's own affairs in the area....
Your proposal is almost complete, only thing missing from it are the Case Officers, we need to bring in dedicated Analysts, Case Officers & Handlers who will be embedded with the Special Mission Units for Operational Planning.

'Shooters' are of no use if they don't know where to hit the enemy hard, thats where the SIGINT & HUMINT specialists come in on the screen...
@Horus

 

[S.Y.A]

There has to be a force raised which doesn't liaison with Baluchistan Police/Constabulary, Baluchistan FC, Levies, Khasadars and even with FIA and other Civilian intel wings like IB as well as Government Provincial Staff. There are traitors and local sympathizers with in all the above mentioned ranks.

The head of this force should be able to gather intel from all sources - IB, FIA, ISI, MI, CMI and other intel wings, confirm through own intel wing and then direct action using his own troops at his own accord with a timing and place of his department's own choosing. The force should be inserted through HALO drops and extracted through transport helis. Ground support would be non existent expect Operatives on the ground taking part in Ops. CAS through helis for precision hits should always be there and PAF on stand by if "broken arrow" is required. However, Only Army should be called for Ground support - if Ops goes terribly wrong. Transport helis should also have contingent of Med Evac Helis and a command post in the air (Rotary or fixed).

Their base of Ops should never be known and should even be flown from Sindh and KPK into Baluchistan without using Samungli AFB even. The Baluch Govt and LEAs operating in Baluchistan should never know about whereabouts of this force. The force should be HQ'ed within Military cantonments and officers/troops should be inducted for Ops from different LCB/SSG/SSW/SSG(N) formations prior to 12 Hours before H-Hour. The Head of this force should answer only to PM, COAS/CAS/CNS. At any given time, 3 x platoons (90 troops) should always be prepared with in 12 hours notice with aviation assets (transport and Gunships). Ops completion time shouldn't be more than 60 minutes, including Exfil from the ground. Motto should be "Get in - Get out - Quick". A Reserve force of 2 x Platoons (60 troops) should always be on stand by - preferably in the air during the 1 hour Ops. This force should be dropped on designated smuggler routes without knowledge of local Police and local LEAs to ambush and take out "smugglers" who enter Pakistan from Iran and Afghanistan.

This model should expose traitors within ranks and corrupt officials who support them.

something like jsoc?

 

[Rafeh]

We can set up our own fake insurgency in Balochistan. we can “fake attacks on Pakistan military” and have “ fake deaths” occurring due to this “newly formed” and very aggressive insurgent organization. Then gradually network them with the “real” insurgents” and instead of arresting individual foot soldiers, map their network, find moles, get other details and when time is right, get them all. I won’t go into more details, but we can “become” temporally that party which these insurgent ultimately trust and connect with. Take their “form” to hunt them down.

 

[Amaa'n]

something like jsoc?

Kind of JSOC but with added element of Intelligence gathering operations.....JSOC pulls Tier 1 forces from all Armed Forces and including USSOCOM .... apart from having ISA theres no dedicated unit among the command for Intelligence gathering, Analyzing and Case Officers.

Even in Iraq and Afghanistan, what's known to public is that CIA Paramilitary unit would be attached to JSOC elements for Intelligence affairs this included case officers and handlers, they were the ones running developing a mole and asset among the enemy ranks.....

 

[Ahmad Saleem]

Taken from this thread
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/balochistan-terrorism-watch.658751/#post-12213764
Does anyone has exact casualty report? BLF claims cant be trusted.
We have seen again and again this pattern of ambush where our jawans get exactly pinned down and before they can understand what is happening the game is over. Same happened in the recent attack in Mand. Beside getting APC what others steps can be taken to give our jawans more time to get an understanding of situation and retaliate. APC or IFV is best in the situation but considering the vastness of balochistan its not possible to move everyone in APC. Secondly is someone leaking the troop movement information to these insurgents or they are carrying out operations based on their own observations?

 

[Ahmad Saleem]

The FC guy was desperately looking for miscreants to retaliate but couldnt get a chance. Its really heart breaking to watch we should at least give them a fighting chance

 

[Meliodas]

Yes, it's true.

Maps don't work this way.

Taken from this thread
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/balochistan-terrorism-watch.658751/#post-12213764
Does anyone has exact casualty report? BLF claims cant be trusted.
We have seen again and again this pattern of ambush where our jawans get exactly pinned down and before they can understand what is happening the game is over. Same happened in the recent attack in Mand. Beside getting APC what others steps can be taken to give our jawans more time to get an understanding of situation and retaliate. APC or IFV is best in the situation but considering the vastness of balochistan its not possible to move everyone in APC. Secondly is someone leaking the troop movement information to these insurgents or they are carrying out operations based on their own observations?

The response from soldiers in this video is quite confusing, as they decided to stall rather then push away. I fail to understand why they stopped and thought they could take on snipers with aks.

 

[Inception-06]

There has to be a force raised which doesn't liaison with Baluchistan Police/Constabulary, Baluchistan FC, Levies, Khasadars and even with FIA and other Civilian intel wings like IB as well as Government Provincial Staff. There are traitors and local sympathizers with in all the above mentioned ranks.

The head of this force should be able to gather intel from all sources - IB, FIA, ISI, MI, CMI and other intel wings, confirm through own intel wing and then direct action using his own troops at his own accord with a timing and place of his department's own choosing. The force should be inserted through HALO drops and extracted through transport helis. Ground support would be non existent expect Operatives on the ground taking part in Ops. CAS through helis for precision hits should always be there and PAF on stand by if "broken arrow" is required. However, Only Army should be called for Ground support - if Ops goes terribly wrong. Transport helis should also have contingent of Med Evac Helis and a command post in the air (Rotary or fixed).

Their base of Ops should never be known and should even be flown from Sindh and KPK into Baluchistan without using Samungli AFB even. The Baluch Govt and LEAs operating in Baluchistan should never know about whereabouts of this force. The force should be HQ'ed within Military cantonments and officers/troops should be inducted for Ops from different LCB/SSG/SSW/SSG(N) formations prior to 12 Hours before H-Hour. The Head of this force should answer only to PM, COAS/CAS/CNS. At any given time, 3 x platoons (90 troops) should always be prepared with in 12 hours notice with aviation assets (transport and Gunships). Ops completion time shouldn't be more than 60 minutes, including Exfil from the ground. Motto should be "Get in - Get out - Quick". A Reserve force of 2 x Platoons (60 troops) should always be on stand by - preferably in the air during the 1 hour Ops. This force should be dropped on designated smuggler routes without knowledge of local Police and local LEAs to ambush and take out "smugglers" who enter Pakistan from Iran and Afghanistan.

This model should expose traitors within ranks and corrupt officials who support them.

Long-range patrols by foot and supported by Tanks, and 24 hours call option of air force support, it's like Vietnam!

 

[Old School]

In order to fix the security situation in Baluchistan and elsewhere in Pakistan, we have to fix Karachi which is the ideological epicenter of all sorts of security threats since 1947. I strongly recommend bringing Karachi under direct federal authority as the first step. Karachi has gone rogue long ago and there was little done to fix the fundamental issues.

 

[PanzerKiel]

Taken from this thread
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/balochistan-terrorism-watch.658751/#post-12213764
Does anyone has exact casualty report? BLF claims cant be trusted.
We have seen again and again this pattern of ambush where our jawans get exactly pinned down and before they can understand what is happening the game is over. Same happened in the recent attack in Mand. Beside getting APC what others steps can be taken to give our jawans more time to get an understanding of situation and retaliate. APC or IFV is best in the situation but considering the vastness of balochistan its not possible to move everyone in APC. Secondly is someone leaking the troop movement information to these insurgents or they are carrying out operations based on their own observations?

I just got this video verified. Its 3 yr old, the officer was injured. Seems like BRAS is resorting to propaganda as well by uploading old videos with new dates.

 

[Cuirassier]

They did kill 2 FC troopers and injure an officer in the 26 March attack though.

I just got this video verified. Its 3 yr old, the officer was injured. Seems like BRAS is resorting to propaganda as well by uploading old videos with new dates.

 

[Amaa'n]

I just got this video verified. Its 3 yr old, the officer was injured. Seems like BRAS is resorting to propaganda as well by uploading old videos with new dates.

May be you are confusing it with some other video sir, Vehicle in Vid was launched in Pakistan recently & procured by Military I believe in 2018?
We had the attack verified

Taken from this thread
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/balochistan-terrorism-watch.658751/#post-12213764
Does anyone has exact casualty report? BLF claims cant be trusted.

We have the details, but all that is withheld /redacted ....Purpose of these Daily SITREPs is not about causality count but maintaining a record of incidents & analysis by third party as well as our Visitors / Guests

 

[PanzerKiel]

May be you are confusing it with some other video sir, Vehicle in Vid was launched in Pakistan recently & procured by Military I believe in 2018?
We had the attack verified

Bhai, the officer who was injured (he still cant walk, treatment in progress) verified it. Rest i leave it to you. But then, lets accept that propaganda ought to be there from BRAS side. We, as intelligent humans, shouldnt believe whatever they say. I am, at the moment, not much far away from the place where this event allegedly occurred. But i didnt get a whiff of such a thing.

Lets move on then.

 

[Amaa'n]

Bhai, the officer who was injured (he still cant walk, treatment in progress) verified it. Rest i leave it to you. But then, lets accept that propaganda ought to be there from BRAS side. We, as intelligent humans, shouldnt believe whatever they say. I am, at the moment, not much far away from the place where this event allegedly occurred. But i didnt get a whiff of such a thing.

Lets move on then.

Sir, am not saying take the words of a militant group nor did i say that all the details we have on record are from BLF statement. If you like I can provide the Unit , name(s) of the Personnel martyed & Officer injured for verification.
It will also ensure that both of us are talking about same incident.
Also I would just like to mention that anything you find with PDF logo or OSINT tag is verified information.
Otherwise I have 10 more statements from Terrorist handles but they are not verified

 

[PanzerKiel]

Sir, am not saying take the words of a militant group nor did i say that all the details we have on record are from BLF statement. If you like I can provide the Unit , name(s) of the Personnel martyed & Officer injured for verification.
It will also ensure that both of us are talking about same incident.
Also I would just like to mention that anything you find with PDF logo or OSINT tag is verified information.
Otherwise I have 10 more statements from Terrorist handles but they are not verified

No problem then. Apologies for my interference.