The secret world of DRDO

[Indian Tiger]

Some interesting comments....

In the name of investigative journalism, this report haprs on gross inaccuracies, and half-truths. There are only 5 nations in the world that have mastered engine tech for jets. This fact itself must've alerted the Express reporters that engine tech is hard to master. Even China is forced to import Russia's engines for its showpiece J-10, J-20 and FC-1 jets because its own efforts have failed. Even Sweden (after 60 years of experience of Viggen, Draken and now Gripen) also uses the American GE-F414 engines. So, Indian Express must've mentioned these well-known facts too, before implying that DRDO has "failed" to develop the Kaveri. Also, please don't mislead readers into thinking that Arjun intermittently or alternately succeeds in some and fails in other trials. After 2007 to date, it has consistently and resoundingly beat Russian T-90 tanks in repeated trials. Not just that, why don't the Express journos investigate the famed T-90's exploding barrels that killed 3 soldiers? Afraid ?

Also, Indian Express must not take readers for a ride by stating only the Army's view about Arjun's so-called "overweight issues". What the Express conveniently fails to say, is the Army itself specified certain technologies (armour, ballistic and electronic) that resulted in Arjun weighing 58 tons. Not just that, globally all frontline tanks operating in Middle-Eastern deserts like US's Abrams, Israeli Merkava and UK's Challenger weigh well over 60-72 tons. And their armies aren't complaining. So, shouldn't the Indian Army overhaul its creaking British-era bridges and wagons, instead of giving sound bytes to reporters ? Indian Express also fails to say that independent Israeli tank experts have certified the Arjun's combat worthiness. Is this Investigative journalism ? Or. a concerted malign campaign ?

What's the program cost other countries spent and we spent?? How many cost over runs?? It's not even frequently happening in ISRO, Why this always happens with DRDO??

 

[Bobby]

Things are changing ...several private Indian Industries are going to develop new war machines by investing billions of dollars

 

[The Deterrent]

By the way who developed glorious series of Agni and Pritvi missiles

Please don't call Prithvi series as "Glorious". It was an outdated series only a few years after induction.

Only Agni-3,4 and 5 deserve to be stated as effective systems.

 

[acetophenol]

Please don't call Prithvi series as "Glorious". It was an outdated series only a few years after induction.

Only Agni-3,4 and 5 deserve to be stated as effective systems.

On what basis you call Prithvi series outdated?

 

[jha]

Why??? for the authorities to make money from that too??

This is a bit uncalled for. Some of the labs are really doing great job. There are certain areas where we desperately need help from some experts. But DRDO is not able to recruit them due to red tapes.

What the member suggested is actually the need of the hour.

 

[illuminatidinesh]

What's the program cost other countries spent and we spent?? How many cost over runs?? It's not even frequently happening in ISRO, Why this always happens with DRDO??

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/205494-secret-world-drdo-2.html#ixzz25KPpIgue

Do U know the cost? People jump into blame when they have no idea what is happening.... What happened to the successful products? ISRO it is happening all the time... Why are we not blaming when a rocket explodes? It tends to happen.
Yes there are some back logs..... but we are still proud of our DRDO.

What's the program cost other countries spent and we spent?? How many cost over runs?? It's not even frequently happening in ISRO, Why this always happens with DRDO??

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/205494-secret-world-drdo-2.html#ixzz25KPpIgue

Do U know the cost? People jump into blame when they have no idea what is happening.... What happened to the successful products? ISRO it is happening all the time... Why are we not blaming when a rocket explodes? It tends to happen.
Yes there are some back logs..... but we are still proud of our DRDO.

On what basis you call Prithvi series outdated?

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/205494-secret-world-drdo-2.html#ixzz25KRfmOjf

On the basis that it is Indian.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Hey, if it were easy everyone would do it!! These things don't happen overnight bt there is a sure and tangible positive trend tot he DRDO's projects and now more fuding is avalible and sanctions removed more and more results are coming out.

 

[The Deterrent]

On what basis you call Prithvi series outdated?

Its biggest drawback is the liquid fuel. I don't think there is any other SRBM out today which uses liquid-fuel. I understand that the missiles can stay fueled upto weeks (not sure), but the process and components add to the complexity of preparation procedure.

It is inferior in capabilities to the missiles of its class introduced in around the same time-frame. Missiles like the OTR-23 Oka (9M714K/F), Hades, DF-11, B-611, Ghaznavi D) and the ATACMS (AGM-168). And newer systems like Iskander, LORA, B-611M and M20 simply outscore it.

The only advantage it offers is significantly high payload (1000 kg in Prithvi-I/SS-150). This allows for massive destruction both in unitary (HE/FAE) or submunitions (Anti-runway/Anti-tank bomblets).

On the basis that it is Indian.

No, I consider Ghauri-I as much outdated as the Prithvi.

 

[OrionHunter]

The answer is to get the bl00dy bureaucrats out of the DRDO. Many have been provided a second career after retirement in this dump and none of them have a scientific background. A retired top bureaucrat working in waste management and disposal is in the DRDO too! WTF?

We need to get scientists with impeccable credentials at the helm otherwise the DRDO will go deeper into the rabbit hole with no hope of salvation.

 

[The Deterrent]

Also, instead of simply modifying the guidance system of AAD to convert it into the Prahaar BRBM, and then claiming successful development in "just 2 years"...DRDO could have come up with a better alternative, of the quasi-ballistic type. A smaller version of Shaurya would have been much better (higher payload and longer range) and as competitive as Iskander or LORA. DRDO is lazy and wastes funds

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Also, instead of simply modifying the guidance system of AAD to convert it into the Prahaar BRBM, and then claiming successful development in "just 2 years"...DRDO could have come up with a better alternative, of the quasi-ballistic type. A smaller version of Shaurya would have been much better and as competitive as Iskander or LORA. DRDO is lazy and wastes funds

How would you know that?

 

[INDIC]

Please don't call Prithvi series as "Glorious". It was an outdated series only a few years after induction.

Only Agni-3,4 and 5 deserve to be stated as effective systems.

Outdated in the sense?

 

[The Deterrent]

How would you know that?

Okay it would not be that simple, but not difficult either.
Well the body is the same, the propulsion is probably the same too. ABM guidance is probably replaced with BM guidance and more payload.

Outdated in the sense?

Post # 23.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Okay it would not be that simple, but not difficult either.
Well the body is the same, the propulsion is probably the same too. ABM guidance is probably replaced with BM guidance and more payload.



Post # 23.

Wouldn't more payload require a re-design?

 

[Riteon]

DRDO is a true elephant now ...It has successes on many fields but its always takes too long


1] Bureaucracy should be streamlined
2] The management Should include Military personnels as well as IIM class ppl [ give scholarships to DRDO engineers to IIM ]
3] Single windows Counter system should be created for better integration and communication with Military,Private players and research centres
4] A management plan for cost efficieny should be created like how toyota plan was adopted by TCS to increase cost efficiency
4] Salary or benefits should be increase and Children should be given special benfits like Army children in exams....this will decrease the brain drain...



Right now DRDO is being affected by Indian Govt Job mentality... It has to be replaced with It industry Mentality