The Second Indo-Chinese War (2013-2015)

[MrProudIndian]

one of the most useless articles in my recent memory.

 

[J - 50]

well this seems like a Cake Walk for Chinese ...

In reality ...

supply lines for PLA to Indian Border will be broken when waves of cruise missiles will make a hole in every mountain
where roads and train rails are laid which can not be repaired with in months , and this will be repeated again and again ...

the same cases will be repeated with India ... so this misadventure will turn to a long drawn conflict ... where at the end it will leave both china and India back in 80s ...

and this will make Unification of China(so called one china policy of Communist party) a dream ...

no matter how many western platforms india brings to war..
no matter how much local weapons china brings into war ...

the end result in himalayan ranges will be null ... and the main sufferers will be economic zones of both countries ...

so better the status quo remains ,,, and these games that are being played between china-pak,srlanka,bd,burma and India cozying up to west ... goes on and on and on..

Happy New Year to yo u all..

 

[kingdurgaking]

Cause of the War

The Indian military at the time of the Second Indo-Chinese War (starting sometime between 2013 and 2015) was a powerful force dominating South Asia. It was definitely not 1962, when India went to war against China without due preparation. Since 1962, India fought several border skirmishes with Pakistan and eventually split it in the 1971 war. In 1987, Indian troops even faced off against the PLA at Sumdorong Chu Valley and eventually occupied Southern Tibet and turned it into the state of Arunachal Pradesh.

Since the early 2000’s, India’s economic growth has been spectacular, at least on paper. The economic growth created a sizable middle-class and upper-class Indians in the cities while poverty and malnutrition still existed in the countryside. Rampant inflation and other economic dislocation led to discontent from the urban poor. As India grew richer as a whole, Naxalites, Kashmiris and other rebellious factions grew more and more powerful.

As a result, New Delhi was forced to adopt a more and more aggressive foreign policy to keep the country united and distract from domestic problems. New Delhi strategists believed India’s path is to mimic the British Empire and project power as a conqueror. By 2010, India had outclassed Pakistan economically and regarded Pakistan only as source of terrorism, not a conventional war threat. India’s most powerful neighbor was China and New Delhi could not feel strategically secure until an independent Tibet is created as a buffer zone. This motivation was strengthened by India’s desire for redemption for its 1962 defeat and deep-rooted colonial racism against China.

Prior to 2000, India was shunned by the West and could only buy second-tier, faulty weapons from Russia. After 2000, India started to acquire first-tier weapons from Russia like the Su-30MKI and from Israel like the Phalcon AWACS and Green Pine radar. By 2010, even the US was offering India first-tier weapons like the new M777 light howitzer, C-130 transport and Apache combat helicopter. Between 1995 and 2010, the India military had gone from a large but low quality Soviet-armed force to a more professional force with an eclectic mix of modern weaponry from both East and West.

Strategic competition between US and China for primacy in East Asia was the reason why arming India became US policy. The US wanted to enlist India to help contain China. However, the US also faced the problem that it needed Pakistan too. This problem dogged the US until it finally reached a solution in 2010 -- it would sell weapons to India to use against China in the Himalayan border regions, but it would discourage India from using them against Pakistan.

The US does not want to see India conquering Pakistan-administered Kashmir, as that might make India too powerful and eventually Indian Navy might start affecting US naval primacy in the Indian Ocean. The US also does not want to see India continue to improve its nuclear and missile technology so that one day it can build ICBM that can reach New York. But selling artillery, helicopters, transports and fighter jets (like Super Hornet and F-16E/F offered for MMRCA competition) to fight China in a Himalayan war is okay.

Indo-Chinese relations plummeted in 2009 when India first decided to side with US to contain China and eventually carve out an independent Tibet. Since then, relations have been hostile, cold and confrontational. Sometime between 2013 and 2015, the newest US weapons were delivered to the Indian military. Not long after, the war begins.

Deployment of Forces

Since the late 2000’s, India has been raising and deploying more and more elite mountain divisions toward both the Eastern Sector and Western Sector of the disputed boundary with China. India has been supplying them with airstrips in the forward areas like Tawang and Ladakh. Indian doctrine is to air strike deep into Tibet, cut off Chinese defenders from supplies and overrun them. Meanwhile, India will encourage ethnic Tibetans to rebel against Beijing and sabotage PLA supplies.

By the start of the war, China had largely completed its infrastructure construction in Tibet. It has a railroad from Qinghai to Tibet and another one from Chengdu to Lhasa. China built civilian airports and military air bases in Tibet close to the Indian border. Highways tunneled through mountains provide access to the disputed Eastern Sector. Meanwhile, China opened a railroad along the Karakorum Highway through Pakistan-administered Kashmir linking Kashgar, Xinjiang with Islamabad and opened a railroad from Tibet to Kathmandu.

Major Chinese Weapons in the Theater

PLZ 04 artillery

Z-10A combat helicopter

HQ-9 SAM

CJ-10 cruise missile

J-10B air superiority fighter

J-11BS strike fighter

KJ-2000 AWACS

Y-8 EW aircraft

---------- Post added at 03:17 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:16 AM ----------

Phase I: The Indian Offensive

Ground forces of the two countries had already been maneuvering and watching each other when the air war began. So, China was prepared when India began its attack on the Qinghai-Tibet railway and the Chengdu-Lhasa railway.

MKI was simply no match for the J-11BS. MKI had 1980’s Soviet avionics compared to J-11BS’s modern suite. MKI was a heavy Russian-manufactured beast while J-11BS was much lighter because of China’s composite materials technology. Also, India could not maintain foreign equipment very well or repair because spare parts usually came from Russia. Indian license-made parts were very poor in quality. As a result, some of the force could not fly and defects affected the entire MKI force. Chinese AA missiles were also a generation ahead of the R-73 and R-73 on the MKI.

The J-10B also dominated India’s MMCRA. The Eurofighter and Rafale were too expensive for India to buy in any reasonable quantity so India chose another. But none of the other aircraft had an advantage against the J-10B. The J-10B has stealth features like DSI-intakes and extensive composites. It uses the FWS10A -- a 140 kN engine in the same thrust class as the Russian 117S. J-10B carries an AESA radar, electronic warfare suite and advanced AA missiles. As an air superiority fighter, it is a true equal to the Eurofighter and Rafale.

But China’s biggest advantage was numbers. Where India buys, China makes indigenously at a fraction of the price. For China, a J-10B costs only ~$30 million, far less than what India would pay for a Mig-35! Where India can only induct 25 or 50 aircraft per year, Chinese war factories can crank out more than 100 per year. Just in the theater alone, China had more than 300 4th generation fighters (J-10B and J-11BS) to India’s 200 or so flyable MKI and MMRCA.

In the end, outmatched in both quantity and quality, the pride of the Indian Air Force was lost in the first few days. The remaining IAF is a handful of poorly maintained, half-flyable Mirage, Mig-29 and Mig-21. Those were quickly destroyed on the ground by J-11BS with precision-guided munitions, as were forward Indian air strips and logistics depots.

Phase II: Mountain Warfare

With total control of the skies, China proceeded to attack Indian army bases. The handful of Indian S-300 batteries was destroyed using SEAD tactics and the Y-8 electronic warfare aircraft. It was made easier by the fact that China itself operates these systems. The handful of Green Pine radars was destroyed using terrain-hugging CJ-10 cruise missiles. The indigenous Akash did not perform very well and could not stop PLAAF from dropping precision-guided munitions over all Indian army bases in forward areas.

Without fighter support or supplies, the elite Indian mountain divisions could only mount a brave but desperate offensive. Z-10A grossly outnumbered the Apache that India purchased. Again, this is because China makes indigenously at a fraction of the price. The Z-10A is equivalent to the Eurocopter Tiger; it is highly-advanced though less armored compared to the heavier Apache. The Chinese also have the advantage of bringing SPAAG, CIWS and short-range SAM on the highways to defend against Apache and Mi-35. Chinese infantry carry advanced QW-2 manpads (equivalent to Stinger). LCH never made it to the fight because India could not successfully turn the European-made Dhruv into a combat helicopter.

Waves of PLZ 04 artillery fire rained down on the Indian mountain divisions wherever they were, killing / wounding many of them. PLA infantry supported by Z-10A followed up and tore into Indian positions. The few that survived the vicious assault ran away and eventually froze to death.

Phase III: Chinese Counter-Offensive

Having destroyed the IAF and destroyed the mountain divisions in both Eastern and Western Sectors, China went on the offense to incapacitate India from any future military adventures.

PLA advanced into the “chicken-neck” area and overran Indian defenses, cutting off the entire northeast. PLA moved through Myanmar and attacked Indian army positions near the border. India demanded that Bangladesh let Indian army transit through to save the northeast, but Bangladesh refused, knowing that it would gain from an independent Republic of Assam.

In the Western Sector, PLA attacked the Indian army on Siachen Glacier. Finally, PLA moved into Jammu and Kashmir to roll back the remaining Indian army. Overjoyed at their liberation, Kashmiris rise up and set fire to GoI buildings in Srinagar. The pro-India faction in Kashmir flees the angry mob.

Within two weeks from the beginning of the war, Kashmir was totally lost and the Indian army in Assam was cut off from the rest of India. Then, China fired hundreds terrain-hugging CJ-10 cruise missile at power plants and electricity grids. Suddenly, all the major cities in India are without electricity and running water.

Rebellion and communal violence breaks out all over the country. Naxalites and Assam separatists launch direct assaults on pro-India police and paramilitary forces. Local governments and entire states declare independence from New Delhi. Some generals in the Indian Army tried to restore authority by force but instead the whole country simply sank into civil war.

After this majestic victory do you think you will survive .. Other countires will surely attack and defeat you permanently(Atleast US and Russia)... both China and India will be pushed back to several centuries back

 

[MrProudIndian]

After this majestic victory do you think you will survive .. Other countires will surely attack and defeat you permanently(Atleast US and Russia)... both China and India will be pushed back to several centuries back

that't actually a great point.
Why would US leave China and secure it's future.
India China war,keeping US in mind,is a blank future for China.

 

[humanfirst]

This hongwu would have made a lot of fame and money if he was born in pakistan..

 

[tallboy123]

Cause of the War

The Indian military at the time of the Second Indo-Chinese War (starting sometime between 2013 and 2015) was a powerful force dominating South Asia. It was definitely not 1962, when India went to war against China without due preparation. Since 1962, India fought several border skirmishes with Pakistan and eventually split it in the 1971 war. In 1987, Indian troops even faced off against the PLA at Sumdorong Chu Valley and eventually occupied Southern Tibet and turned it into the state of Arunachal Pradesh.

Since the early 2000’s, India’s economic growth has been spectacular, at least on paper. The economic growth created a sizable middle-class and upper-class Indians in the cities while poverty and malnutrition still existed in the countryside. Rampant inflation and other economic dislocation led to discontent from the urban poor. As India grew richer as a whole, Naxalites, Kashmiris and other rebellious factions grew more and more powerful.

As a result, New Delhi was forced to adopt a more and more aggressive foreign policy to keep the country united and distract from domestic problems. New Delhi strategists believed India’s path is to mimic the British Empire and project power as a conqueror. By 2010, India had outclassed Pakistan economically and regarded Pakistan only as source of terrorism, not a conventional war threat. India’s most powerful neighbor was China and New Delhi could not feel strategically secure until an independent Tibet is created as a buffer zone. This motivation was strengthened by India’s desire for redemption for its 1962 defeat and deep-rooted colonial racism against China.

Prior to 2000, India was shunned by the West and could only buy second-tier, faulty weapons from Russia. After 2000, India started to acquire first-tier weapons from Russia like the Su-30MKI and from Israel like the Phalcon AWACS and Green Pine radar. By 2010, even the US was offering India first-tier weapons like the new M777 light howitzer, C-130 transport and Apache combat helicopter. Between 1995 and 2010, the India military had gone from a large but low quality Soviet-armed force to a more professional force with an eclectic mix of modern weaponry from both East and West.

Strategic competition between US and China for primacy in East Asia was the reason why arming India became US policy. The US wanted to enlist India to help contain China. However, the US also faced the problem that it needed Pakistan too. This problem dogged the US until it finally reached a solution in 2010 -- it would sell weapons to India to use against China in the Himalayan border regions, but it would discourage India from using them against Pakistan.

The US does not want to see India conquering Pakistan-administered Kashmir, as that might make India too powerful and eventually Indian Navy might start affecting US naval primacy in the Indian Ocean. The US also does not want to see India continue to improve its nuclear and missile technology so that one day it can build ICBM that can reach New York. But selling artillery, helicopters, transports and fighter jets (like Super Hornet and F-16E/F offered for MMRCA competition) to fight China in a Himalayan war is okay.

Indo-Chinese relations plummeted in 2009 when India first decided to side with US to contain China and eventually carve out an independent Tibet. Since then, relations have been hostile, cold and confrontational. Sometime between 2013 and 2015, the newest US weapons were delivered to the Indian military. Not long after, the war begins.

Deployment of Forces

Since the late 2000’s, India has been raising and deploying more and more elite mountain divisions toward both the Eastern Sector and Western Sector of the disputed boundary with China. India has been supplying them with airstrips in the forward areas like Tawang and Ladakh. Indian doctrine is to air strike deep into Tibet, cut off Chinese defenders from supplies and overrun them. Meanwhile, India will encourage ethnic Tibetans to rebel against Beijing and sabotage PLA supplies.

By the start of the war, China had largely completed its infrastructure construction in Tibet. It has a railroad from Qinghai to Tibet and another one from Chengdu to Lhasa. China built civilian airports and military air bases in Tibet close to the Indian border. Highways tunneled through mountains provide access to the disputed Eastern Sector. Meanwhile, China opened a railroad along the Karakorum Highway through Pakistan-administered Kashmir linking Kashgar, Xinjiang with Islamabad and opened a railroad from Tibet to Kathmandu.


---------- Post added at 03:17 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:16 AM ----------

[/COLOR]Phase I: The Indian Offensive

Ground forces of the two countries had already been maneuvering and watching each other when the air war began. So, China was prepared when India began its attack on the Qinghai-Tibet railway and the Chengdu-Lhasa railway.

MKI was simply no match for the J-11BS. MKI had 1980’s Soviet avionics compared to J-11BS’s modern suite. MKI was a heavy Russian-manufactured beast while J-11BS was much lighter because of China’s composite materials technology. Also, India could not maintain foreign equipment very well or repair because spare parts usually came from Russia. Indian license-made parts were very poor in quality. As a result, some of the force could not fly and defects affected the entire MKI force. Chinese AA missiles were also a generation ahead of the R-73 and R-73 on the MKI.

The J-10B also dominated India’s MMCRA. The Eurofighter and Rafale were too expensive for India to buy in any reasonable quantity so India chose another. But none of the other aircraft had an advantage against the J-10B. The J-10B has stealth features like DSI-intakes and extensive composites. It uses the FWS10A -- a 140 kN engine in the same thrust class as the Russian 117S. J-10B carries an AESA radar, electronic warfare suite and advanced AA missiles. As an air superiority fighter, it is a true equal to the Eurofighter and Rafale.

But China’s biggest advantage was numbers. Where India buys, China makes indigenously at a fraction of the price. For China, a J-10B costs only ~$30 million, far less than what India would pay for a Mig-35! Where India can only induct 25 or 50 aircraft per year, Chinese war factories can crank out more than 100 per year. Just in the theater alone, China had more than 300 4th generation fighters (J-10B and J-11BS) to India’s 200 or so flyable MKI and MMRCA.

In the end, outmatched in both quantity and quality, the pride of the Indian Air Force was lost in the first few days. The remaining IAF is a handful of poorly maintained, half-flyable Mirage, Mig-29 and Mig-21. Those were quickly destroyed on the ground by J-11BS with precision-guided munitions, as were forward Indian air strips and logistics depots.

Phase II: Mountain Warfare

With total control of the skies, China proceeded to attack Indian army bases. The handful of Indian S-300 batteries was destroyed using SEAD tactics and the Y-8 electronic warfare aircraft. It was made easier by the fact that China itself operates these systems. The handful of Green Pine radars was destroyed using terrain-hugging CJ-10 cruise missiles. The indigenous Akash did not perform very well and could not stop PLAAF from dropping precision-guided munitions over all Indian army bases in forward areas.

Without fighter support or supplies, the elite Indian mountain divisions could only mount a brave but desperate offensive. Z-10A grossly outnumbered the Apache that India purchased. Again, this is because China makes indigenously at a fraction of the price. The Z-10A is equivalent to the Eurocopter Tiger; it is highly-advanced though less armored compared to the heavier Apache. The Chinese also have the advantage of bringing SPAAG, CIWS and short-range SAM on the highways to defend against Apache and Mi-35. Chinese infantry carry advanced QW-2 manpads (equivalent to Stinger). LCH never made it to the fight because India could not successfully turn the European-made Dhruv into a combat helicopter.

Waves of PLZ 04 artillery fire rained down on the Indian mountain divisions wherever they were, killing / wounding many of them. PLA infantry supported by Z-10A followed up and tore into Indian positions. The few that survived the vicious assault ran away and eventually froze to death.

Phase III: Chinese Counter-Offensive

Having destroyed the IAF and destroyed the mountain divisions in both Eastern and Western Sectors, China went on the offense to incapacitate India from any future military adventures.

PLA advanced into the “chicken-neck” area and overran Indian defenses, cutting off the entire northeast. PLA moved through Myanmar and attacked Indian army positions near the border. India demanded that Bangladesh let Indian army transit through to save the northeast, but Bangladesh refused, knowing that it would gain from an independent Republic of Assam.

In the Western Sector, PLA attacked the Indian army on Siachen Glacier. Finally, PLA moved into Jammu and Kashmir to roll back the remaining Indian army. Overjoyed at their liberation, Kashmiris rise up and set fire to GoI buildings in Srinagar. The pro-India faction in Kashmir flees the angry mob.

Within two weeks from the beginning of the war, Kashmir was totally lost and the Indian army in Assam was cut off from the rest of India. Then, China fired hundreds terrain-hugging CJ-10 cruise missile at power plants and electricity grids. Suddenly, all the major cities in India are without electricity and running water.

Rebellion and communal violence breaks out all over the country. Naxalites and Assam separatists launch direct assaults on pro-India police and paramilitary forces. Local governments and entire states declare independence from New Delhi. Some generals in the Indian Army tried to restore authority by force but instead the whole country simply sank into civil war.

@ highlighted part..
Quality of Defence.pk

God bless u HongWu..
Happy new year...

 

[J - 50]

that't actually a great point.
Why would US leave China and secure it's future.
India China war,keeping US in mind,is a blank future for China.

this conflict will not be for couple of weeks ... it will be stretched to years ... where
troops and arms will keep flowing to the conflict zone where indian army trucks will be a common sight for Bangadesh and Nepal .... and Chinese troop careers in Burma .... both armies will dug deep into himalayas where no modern ammunitions can penetrate ....

US wont be a mere spectator... arms will flow to india ...as this will surely make us the hyperpower in 21st century ....

 

[Hindutvadi]

The part regarding the arms race was somewhat readable...and from "Phase I: The Indian Offensive"..well...i'll do the same thinking about hot chicks

 

[tallboy123]

Guys please stop replying to this troll thread..

Otherwise U'll get banned..

 

[Masterchief]

Dont know why some guys talk about war and sh!tty scenarios, are they tired of peace ?

 

[Ahmeee]

The entire assumption that India will attack China is ridiculous and do you think that if China will attack India, with more than 2 billion people at stake, World bodies will keep quiet.
China is strong ,
no doubt it but that does not means it will be a cake walk for China .

And why would China risk its trillions for a war ?
India is not an existential threat to China?
Or is it?
You answer this question?I dont think China is wary about India as it is about US
This is nothing but a fan boy imagination.

i thnk yew are absolutely rght neither India nor China will risk their colossal population for the sake of domination over each other. Both the countries possess the fatal weapon. And in this era does'nt allow the war b/w the power full dominations(fatal weapons),war i just concerned the countries like
Israel v/s Palestine, America v/s Afghanistan, India v/s Kashmir, America v/s Iraq.. what to say about it..?

 

[J - 50]

i thnk yew are absolutely rght neither India nor China will risk their colossal population for the sake of domination over each other. Both the countries possess the fatal weapon. And in this era does'nt allow the war b/w the power full dominations(fatal weapons),war i just concerned the countries like
Israel v/s Palestine, America v/s Afghanistan, India v/s Kashmir, America v/s Iraq.. what to say about it..?

india vs kashmir ???

Pakistan vs BLA , Pakistani vs Pakistani Taliban ....

NATO+ Pakistan vs FATA ...

pakistan looks like a complete warzone ,,, in that case...

kashmir valley is just 15-20% of Jammu & kashmir state ...
where Jammu drives the economy and food grains... and ladhakh's tourism sector is one of the highest gainer in india....

the main problem in valley is no young men wants to come outside the valley and blaims india for everything...

jobs are thr in plenty for young ppl in india but valley invesment scenario is same as pakistan...
on above indian goverment gives subsidy in valley, where everything costs a fraction the price in regular markets...that adds to more problem....as this will make ppl more dependent ... which makes then more degenerated,,

the alienation of valley can only be drafted away when young ppl will move for jobs in rest of india and brings back private sector to valley.. untill then every summer thr will be new so called rising and every winters indian goverment will be giving free electricity to shivering kashmiris so that they can stand up again in summers....

 

[ganimi kawa]

Rebellion and communal violence breaks out all over the country. Naxalites and Assam separatists launch direct assaults on pro-India police and paramilitary forces. Local governments and entire states declare independence from New Delhi. Some generals in the Indian Army tried to restore authority by force but instead the whole country simply sank into civil war.

And at this point Mr. Hong Wu simply sank into la la land!

Wargaming is a serious business and should be left to serious professionals!

A 'pointless' article indeed....

 

[unicorn148]

India or China not in a case to go to a war with any country because both their economy are booming so they do not want that to stop and both China and dependent on each other for their own good and the trade btwn both countries is so huge that no one want to risk it and even the no Chinese and Indians living in the both countries are also so huge and investments made by chinese and indian companies made are huge and increasing very fast so at sucg a point of time no one would risk a war not until 2050........
WISH YOU ALL A HAPPY NEW YEAR......................

 

[navtrek]

This boomranged to a third world war and China met the same fate of Nazi germany

Nice one