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This boomranged to a third world war and China met the same fate of Nazi germany

Mautkimaut, learn your history before you mouth off and play the Nazi card again. That’s right, it wasn’t the first time Indians had a fascination as well as affiliation with Nazi’s.

What about Subhas Chandra Bose? Who tried to play the Nazi card first, the USSR card and then the Empire of Japan card in WWII, but all for naught.

Subhas Chandra Bose - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But Bose was at least a bona fide patriot who wanted to kick the British in the teeth and out of India. For you to throw the Nazi label around in ignorance and hiding behind the World’s Largest Democracy (more like the World’s Largest De Mockery) while the Caste system, the plight of the Dalits, poverty, illiteracy and always having a Nehru or Ganhdi clan member in power since 1947 continue to plaque India and Indians.

Didn’t India have the noble “None-Alliance” policy in place to begin her Republic? What the hell happen to that ideal? You think playing the same deck with multiple sides is not going to carry a high price?

How much are you going to pay the Russians for the T-45 while they’ll keep the real T-50? The Ajun MBT (Main Ballistics Tank for the Chinese T-99) and the LCA (Low Caste Airlesscraft) will cost you just to take up space in Ripley’s Museum? And don’t even get me started on your Sea-Faring Rocket Program and the Matel DIY Sub Arihant (more like a foot long deal at Subway's Sandwich).

So now you are still trying to play with the Russians, Japanese and of course chasing after the Germans again. And you want to pretend to be Rapunzel with long beautiful hair? With India’s track record and flip flopping, you are more like Susan Boyle without her voice.:rofl:

Time to take a breather before your next number, Launda Dance boy.
 
Mautkimaut, learn your history before you mouth off and play the Nazi card again. That’s right, it wasn’t the first time Indians had a fascination as well as affiliation with Nazi’s.

What about Subhas Chandra Bose? Who tried to play the Nazi card first, the USSR card and then the Empire of Japan card in WWII, but all for naught.

Subhas Chandra Bose - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But Bose was at least a bona fide patriot who wanted to kick the British in the teeth and out of India. For you to throw the Nazi label around in ignorance and hiding behind the World’s Largest Democracy (more like the World’s Largest De Mockery) while the Caste system, the plight of the Dalits, poverty, illiteracy and always having a Nehru or Ganhdi clan member in power since 1947 continue to plaque India and Indians.

Didn’t India have the noble “None-Alliance” policy in place to begin her Republic? What the hell happen to that ideal? You think playing the same deck with multiple sides is not going to carry a high price?

How much are you going to pay the Russians for the T-45 while they’ll keep the real T-50? The Ajun MBT (Main Ballistics Tank for the Chinese T-99) and the LCA (Low Caste Airlesscraft) will cost you just to take up space in Ripley’s Museum? And don’t even get me started on your Sea-Faring Rocket Program and the Matel DIY Sub Arihant (more like a foot long deal at Subway's Sandwich).

So now you are still trying to play with the Russians, Japanese and of course chasing after the Germans again. And you want to pretend to be Rapunzel with long beautiful hair? With India’s track record and flip flopping, you look more like Susan Boyle without her voice.

Time to take a breather before your next number, Launda Dance boy.
 
Now I have time to respond to your post.
The US can deal with China via Taiwan/Korea/Pilipenes and Japan. India is not the prime choice!
India is the right choice because Japan / S Korea are smart enough to be afraid of a hot conflict with China. Taiwan already has a pro-China government and Philippines already told USA not to step into South China Sea dispute.

India is the one country too stupid to be afraid of China until war actually starts. It's basically used as a suicide bomber by USA.

It is very like if there is hot conflict in East Asia that India will open up a second front.

While this is all great the lack of roads where it counts is minimal for both sides. These are major high ways, no where near the border.
China has build highways right up to the LAC. It can move SPA to support a deep thrust by infantry. Motuo county tunnel has been completed so there is highway connection all the way to "Arunachal Pradesh."

The Su-30MKI like the J-11 both use 1970's tech such as their engines. But ultimatly its the MKI that has the advantage with its EW suite which includes the BARs radar.
J-11B is China's fully indigenous flanker which is far superior to old J-11 license built Russian flanker. They are already deployed en mass to new airfields in Tibet.

China has been mass producing its own advanced turbofan since 2009. J-11B uses FWS10. See this photo

http://cnair.top81.cn/fighter/J-11B_WS-10a.jpg

Indigenous Chinese radar on J-11B is comparable to BARS. The old J-11 and MKK radars are crap. J-11B cockpit is a generation ahead of MKI. See this photo

http://cnair.top81.cn/fighter/J-11B_cockpit1.jpg

What BS. It costs the same everywhere! Infact buying a Russian Flanker is going to be cheaper that a Chinese knockoff because of the Russians ability to allready make a profit or two.
Totally wrong. Imported weapons are much more expensive than domestic manufactured (especially if they happen to be manufactured in China).

Of course, if India wants to delude itself to think imported weapons are a bargain.... then go ahead and spend yourself silly.

And no. Factories come to standstill if they are attacked like the Japanese. They can make parts but if the facialities that manufacture the parts for a machine are spread out or single area and are dystroyed the production rate is reduced. The only this China can mass produce in the hundreds is its F-7s.
LOL.... more self-delusion. China is magnitudes better at manufacturing than India. There is simply no comparison.

With development of FWS10 engines, China can mass produce J-11B. Of course, mass production of army equipment like SPA, MRLS, tanks and infantry vehicles is never in question.

They do work together. One of the lessons i've learnt is that integration is very important. The MKI-Bisons-Tejas-Awacs and ground control radars all work together because of something called a command and control HQ.
You're not fooling anyone. You can't integrate electronics from NATO and those from Russia without some major upgrades. So far I haven't seen any foreign country do this for India, nor has India done it by itself.

China on the other hand has datalinks and satellite links! Not to mention its own navigation satellite constellation "Compass" aka "Beidou".

Whats going to happen is that the PLAAF will have 2 months of decent weather to pull off operations from Tibet after that they will rely on mostly airbases located at the mainland. The Indian side however is the one with the advantage. They have lowaltitudes for take offs and have a lot more fields located closer to the border than the PLA could dream of.
China has already built around 10 major airbases in Tibet. J-11B are deployed there. Then are also some civilian airports. They will all be in operation by 2012.

Northern India has more airfields / airbases / civilian airports its true but PLAAF airbases in Tibet easily negates this advantage.

Please, not more of this "low altitude" advantage. Maybe India has problems operating at high altitude because its engines are not powerful enough. But China has no such problems. All it needs is a longer runway, easily done.

and those M777 guns can be transported by heles. Thats the idea. The Indian side has a lower atlititude and are much closer to the border in time. They don't always require roads. Which is why india has a large fleet of helecopters.
With J-11B backed by HQ-9 SAM and KJ-2000 AWACS, China will have air superiority. India will not be able to supply its mountain troops by helicopter.

Japan is an asian super-power. Not becuase it has a very large military, but because they provide softloans to nations like China. Approximilty 2 billion every year.
Wrong on all counts actually. Japan's MSDF (navy) is possibly world's second most powerful surface force. Japan doesn't give any loans to China, considering that China is a bigger economy than Japan.

The CCP and PLA have had more than 40 years to try and grab what it cliams as chinese land. And yet all of this? Its because they never had the capability to keep that land. Simple as that.
Let's summarize:

- Before China didn't have fully indigenous J-11B flanker to overwhelm Indian Air Force. Now it does.

- Before China didn't have a dozen airbases / civilian airports in Tibet. Now it does.

- Before China didn't have highways (motorable by SPA, MRLS) right up to LAC. Now it does.

In short..... China has fully prepared to fight India and take the war directly to northern Indian plains. That would deliver a death blow to the New Delhi regime.
 

Fair enough. There is an agreement to respect a LAC, but this does not mean that a LAC free of overlaps has been agreed upon. According to the conference on the Sino-Indian border held in 2009, the speakers there still agreed that most if not all of the troop incursions that get reported in the media is as result of overlapping areas of patrol and a misunderstood border.


PS:IF you get an access to it ,do post that page here.

I don't have a copy handy if that's what you mean (you can always take a screenshot and host it on photobucket or something)

Alright! Its applicable to both troops,Indian and Chinese.

I meant that there is no way you can attribute the "incursions" to a disciplinary problem without knowing orders that were passed up and down the chain of command in the PLA or more probably the people's armed police border unit.
 
Now I have time to respond to your post.

India is the right choice because Japan / S Korea are smart enough to be afraid of a hot conflict with China. Taiwan already has a pro-China government and Philippines already told USA not to step into South China Sea dispute.

India is the one country too stupid to be afraid of China until war actually starts. It's basically used as a suicide bomber by USA.

It is very like if there is hot conflict in East Asia that India will open up a second front.


China has build highways right up to the LAC. It can move SPA to support a deep thrust by infantry. Motuo county tunnel has been completed so there is highway connection all the way to "Arunachal Pradesh."


J-11B is China's fully indigenous flanker which is far superior to old J-11 license built Russian flanker. They are already deployed en mass to new airfields in Tibet.

China has been mass producing its own advanced turbofan since 2009. J-11B uses FWS10. See this photo

http://cnair.top81.cn/fighter/J-11B_WS-10a.jpg

Indigenous Chinese radar on J-11B is comparable to BARS. The old J-11 and MKK radars are crap. J-11B cockpit is a generation ahead of MKI. See this photo

http://cnair.top81.cn/fighter/J-11B_cockpit1.jpg


Totally wrong. Imported weapons are much more expensive than domestic manufactured (especially if they happen to be manufactured in China).

Of course, if India wants to delude itself to think imported weapons are a bargain.... then go ahead and spend yourself silly.


LOL.... more self-delusion. China is magnitudes better at manufacturing than India. There is simply no comparison.

With development of FWS10 engines, China can mass produce J-11B. Of course, mass production of army equipment like SPA, MRLS, tanks and infantry vehicles is never in question.


You're not fooling anyone. You can't integrate electronics from NATO and those from Russia without some major upgrades. So far I haven't seen any foreign country do this for India, nor has India done it by itself.

China on the other hand has datalinks and satellite links! Not to mention its own navigation satellite constellation "Compass" aka "Beidou".


China has already built around 10 major airbases in Tibet. J-11B are deployed there. Then are also some civilian airports. They will all be in operation by 2012.

Northern India has more airfields / airbases / civilian airports its true but PLAAF airbases in Tibet easily negates this advantage.

Please, not more of this "low altitude" advantage. Maybe India has problems operating at high altitude because its engines are not powerful enough. But China has no such problems. All it needs is a longer runway, easily done.


With J-11B backed by HQ-9 SAM and KJ-2000 AWACS, China will have air superiority. India will not be able to supply its mountain troops by helicopter.


Wrong on all counts actually. Japan's MSDF (navy) is possibly world's second most powerful surface force. Japan doesn't give any loans to China, considering that China is a bigger economy than Japan.


Let's summarize:

- Before China didn't have fully indigenous J-11B flanker to overwhelm Indian Air Force. Now it does.

- Before China didn't have a dozen airbases / civilian airports in Tibet. Now it does.

- Before China didn't have highways (motorable by SPA, MRLS) right up to LAC. Now it does.

In short..... China has fully prepared to fight India and take the war directly to northern Indian plains. That would deliver a death blow to the New Delhi regime.

Is't ? Deathblow to ND AND HELL on earth right there in Bejing,how ?just add akash SAM in place of HQ 9 ,AWACS TO PHALCON WITH SU30MKI and strike package delivery by jaguars is only small part of it..
 
@hongwu if it so easy for china to conquer every country then india ,japan ,Soko,tiawan ,vietnam ,russia ,singapore would hav been chinese province now.
 
J+K government has perhaps leaked the intentions of Indian Army.

Farooq Abdullah told reporters in Jammu on Sunday that India will show its strength during summer as there is extreme cold this time in Leh.

India will take revenge for China incursion in Ladakh in summer: Farooq Abdullah - The Times of India

So that means India is preparing a major "forward policy" by the summer. They have already stored up a lot of supplies by helicopter transport.

PLA must be ready. Artillery will turn Indian soldiers into mush and cruise missiles with incendiary warheads will turn New Delhi into an inferno.
 
J+K government has perhaps leaked the intentions of Indian Army.



India will take revenge for China incursion in Ladakh in summer: Farooq Abdullah - The Times of India

So that means India is preparing a major "forward policy" by the summer. They have already stored up a lot of supplies by helicopter transport.

PLA must be ready. Artillery will turn Indian soldiers into mush and cruise missiles with incendiary warheads will turn New Delhi into an inferno.

Eagerly waiting for your predictions to come true O WISE AND ALL-KNOWING HONGWU. :rofl::rofl::rofl:
sorry to burst your bubble but i don't think such a thing is likely to happen as the economies of both the countries would be severely affected. By the way the US is pissed off with your country:D . if you understand what that means.
The Indian military does not take orders from Farooq Abdullah. so chill
Don't take his outburst seriously. He is just venting his anger.
 
Fair enough. There is an agreement to respect a LAC, but this does not mean that a LAC free of overlaps has been agreed upon. According to the conference on the Sino-Indian border held in 2009, the speakers there still agreed that most if not all of the troop incursions that get reported in the media is as result of overlapping areas of patrol and a misunderstood border.

Yes! I remember, a more clearer agreement could have been made,like say,no one will,patrol,anywhere near 5Km of the LAC.But recent visit didn't help much.
 
Pg:185 of this book:Five Principles of Chinese Foreign Policies

According to wiki.

PS:IF you get an access to it ,do post that page here.



Alright! Its applicable to both troops,Indian and Chinese.

Fair enough. There is an agreement to respect a LAC, but this does not mean that a LAC free of overlaps has been agreed upon. According to the conference on the Sino-Indian border held in 2009, the speakers there still agreed that most if not all of the troop incursions that get reported in the media is as result of overlapping areas of patrol and a misunderstood border.




I don't have a copy handy if that's what you mean (you can always take a screenshot and host it on photobucket or something)



I meant that there is no way you can attribute the "incursions" to a disciplinary problem without knowing orders that were passed up and down the chain of command in the PLA or more probably the people's armed police border unit.

Yes! I remember, a more clearer agreement could have been made,like say,no one will,patrol,anywhere near 5Km of the LAC.But recent visit didn't help much.

Nobody seemed to have given a heed to what Ministry of External Affairs has to say about it.

These reports are baseless and do not conform to facts. They are, therefore, not a cause for concern.

It will be recollected that there are differences in perception, between India and China, on the Line of Actual Control in this area.

Reports of Chinese incursion in Ladakh baseless: MEA
 
Indo China war if become reality, then it will only happens after Sino-Taiwan or North-South Keora-Japan-US war.


• India China are intelligent enough not to fight for barren land of Leh and hostile land of Arunachal Pradesh where as we talk about 100 billion trade by 2015.
• China has more valid reasons to fight with Taiwan rather then India.
• Also India is big enough to restrain China to attack.
• Not to forget that two nuclear power can never go to war as the spark can always lead to nuclear threat.
• India will never attack China. And if China attack India, then it will confirm that the days of Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Vietnam etc for numbered since if China can think of attacking India which is (big million plus army with missiles and nuclear weapons) then why China will not attack other small, weak nations and capture their resources?? This will only make other countries hostile towards China and will stand against Chinese. Well the reality is India is now aggressively working on its “Look East” policy where it is developing its military ties with Vietnam, S Korea and Japan to check Chinese threat.

Not to forget that why China will attack India? to become bad boy in the world? and then alarm other countries to get alarmed?


Well Business will be more important for China and India rather then fighting with each other in coming decades to come..!!!!


China is more powerful then India, but they must know that its not 1962. If China destroy India, that let me assure you, China will start everything from stone age.

But I support healthy relations of India-China just like their thousands of years of history.
 
The Second Indo-Chinese War (2013-2015)

Cause of the War

The Indian military at the time of the Second Indo-Chinese War (starting sometime between 2013 and 2015) was a powerful force dominating South Asia. It was definitely not 1962, when India went to war against China without due preparation. Since 1962, India fought several border skirmishes with Pakistan and eventually split it in the 1971 war. In 1987, Indian troops even faced off against the PLA at Sumdorong Chu Valley and eventually occupied Southern Tibet and turned it into the state of Arunachal Pradesh.

Since the early 2000’s, India’s economic growth has been spectacular, at least on paper. The economic growth created a sizable middle-class and upper-class Indians in the cities while poverty and malnutrition still existed in the countryside. Rampant inflation and other economic dislocation led to discontent from the urban poor. As India grew richer as a whole, Naxalites, Kashmiris and other rebellious factions grew more and more powerful.

As a result, New Delhi was forced to adopt a more and more aggressive foreign policy to keep the country united and distract from domestic problems. New Delhi strategists believed India’s path is to mimic the British Empire and project power as a conqueror. By 2010, India had outclassed Pakistan economically and regarded Pakistan only as source of terrorism, not a conventional war threat. India’s most powerful neighbor was China and New Delhi could not feel strategically secure until an independent Tibet is created as a buffer zone. This motivation was strengthened by India’s desire for redemption for its 1962 defeat and deep-rooted colonial racism against China. India also needed Tibet's water resources because India's rapidly increasing population had outgrown its territory so expansion was required.

Prior to 2000, India was shunned by the West and could only buy second-class, faulty weapons from Russia. After 2000, India started to acquire first-class weapons from Russia like the T-90, Su-30MKI and from Israel like the Phalcon AWACS and Green Pine radar. By 2010, even the US was offering India first-class weapons like the new M777 light howitzer, C-17, C-130 transport and Apache combat helicopter. Between 1995 and 2010, the India military had gone from a large but low quality Soviet-armed force to a more professional force with an eclectic mix of first-class weaponry from both East and West.

Strategic competition between US and China for primacy in East Asia was the reason why arming India became US policy. The US wanted to enlist India to help contain China. However, the US also faced the problem that it needed Pakistan too. This problem dogged the US until it finally reached a solution in 2010 -- it would sell weapons to India to use against China in the Himalayan border regions, but it would discourage India from using them against Pakistan.

The US does not want to see India conquering Pakistan-administered Kashmir, as that might make India too powerful to handle and eventually Indian Navy might even start affecting US naval primacy in the Indian Ocean. The US also does not want to see India continue to improve its nuclear and missile technology so that one day it can build ICBM that can reach New York. But selling artillery, helicopters, transports and fighter jets (like Super Hornet and F-16E/F offered for MMRCA competition) to fight China in a Himalayan war is okay.

Indo-Chinese relations plummeted in 2009 when PM Singh first decided to side with US to contain China and eventually carve out an independent Tibet. Since then, relations have been hostile, cold and confrontational. Sometime between 2013 and 2015, the newest US weapons were delivered to the Indian military. Not long after, the war began.

Deployment of Forces

Since the late 2000’s, India has been raising and deploying more and more elite mountain divisions toward both the Eastern Sector and Western Sector of the disputed boundary with China. India has been supplying them with airstrips in the forward areas like Tawang and Ladakh. Indian doctrine is to strike deep into Tibet with air-launched Brahmos, cut off Chinese defenders from supplies and overrun them. Meanwhile, India will encourage ethnic Tibetans to rebel against Beijing and sabotage PLA supplies.

By the start of the war, China had largely completed its infrastructure construction in Tibet. It has a railroad from Qinghai to Tibet and another one from Chengdu to Lhasa. China built civilian airports and military air bases in Tibet close to the Indian border. Highways tunneled through mountains provide access to the disputed Eastern Sector. Meanwhile, China opened a railroad along the Karakorum Highway through Pakistan-administered Kashmir linking Kashgar, Xinjiang with Islamabad and opened a railroad from Tibet to Kathmandu.

Major Chinese Weapons in the Theater

PLZ-04 artillery
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Z-10A combat helicopter
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HQ-9 SAM
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CJ-10 cruise missile
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KJ-2000 AWACS
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Y-8 EW aircraft
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Phase I: The Indian Offensive

Ground forces of the two countries had already been maneuvering and watching each other when the air war began. So, China was prepared when India began its attack on the Qinghai-Tibet railway and the Chengdu-Lhasa railway. The KJ-2000 spotted the incoming squadrons of MKI and MMRCA soon after taking off from forward bases.

MKI was at a serious disadvantage to J-11BS. MKI had late-80’s Soviet avionics compared to J-11BS’s modern suite. MKI was a heavy Russian-manufactured beast while J-11BS was much lighter because of China’s composite materials technology. Also, India could not maintain foreign equipment very well or repair because spare parts usually came from Russia. Indian license-made parts were very poor in quality. As a result, some of the force could not fly and defects affected the entire MKI force. Chinese AA missiles such as PL-10 were also a generation ahead of the R-73 and R-73 on the MKI.

The J-10B also had an advantage over India’s MMCRA. The Eurofighter and Rafale were too expensive for India to buy in any reasonable quantity so India chose another. But none of the other aircraft had an upper hand over the J-10B. The J-10B has stealth features like DSI-intakes and extensive composites. It uses the FWS10A -- a 140 kN engine in the same thrust class as the Russian 117S. J-10B carries an AESA radar, electronic warfare suite and advanced AA missiles. As an air superiority fighter, it is a true equal to the Eurofighter and Rafale.

China had the numbers advantage. Where India buys, China makes indigenously at a fraction of the price. For China, a J-10B costs only ~$30 million, far less than what India would pay for a Mig-35! Where India can only induct 25 or 50 aircraft per year, Chinese war factories can crank out more than 100 per year. Just in the theater alone, China had more than 300 4th generation fighters (J-10B and J-11BS) to India’s 200 or so flyable MKI and MMRCA.

Finally, PLAAF could engage in information-centric warfare. J-10B and J-11BS work together with HQ-9 SAM and KJ-2000 as force-multiplier. Indian weapons from Russia, US, France, UK, Israel, etc. simply cannot work as an integrated system. As a result, the pride of the Indian Air Force was lost in the first few days. However, they did inflict substantial losses on the PLAAF at a ratio of 4:1 (in favor of China). China lost ~1/6 of the fighters it brought to the theater.

The remaining IAF was a handful of poorly maintained, half-flyable Mirage, Mig-29 and Mig-21. Those were quickly destroyed on the ground by J-11BS with precision-guided munitions, as were forward Indian air strips and logistics depots.

Phase II: Mountain Warfare

With total control of the skies, China proceeded to attack Indian army bases. The handful of Indian S-300 batteries was destroyed using SEAD tactics and the Y-8 electronic warfare aircraft. It was made easier by the fact that China itself operates these systems. The handful of Green Pine radars was destroyed using terrain-hugging CJ-10 cruise missiles. The indigenous Akash did not perform very well and could not stop PLAAF from dropping precision-guided munitions over all Indian army bases in forward areas.

Without fighter support or supplies, the elite Indian mountain divisions could only mount a brave but desperate offensive. Z-10A grossly outnumbered the Apache that India purchased. Again, this is because China makes indigenously at a fraction of the price. The highly-advanced Z-10A is equivalent to the Eurocopter Tiger but has less firepower and less armor than the heavier Apache.

The Chinese also have the advantage of bringing SPAAG, CIWS and short-range SAM on the highways to defend against Apache and Mi-35. Indian-controlled side had no highways. Chinese infantry carry advanced QW-2 manpads (equivalent to Stinger) against helicopters. LCH never made it to the fight because India could not successfully turn the European-made Dhruv into a combat helicopter.

Indian army had the excellent M777 light howitzer, and this weapon definitely caused damage to PLA. But the Indians faced the disadvantage that they could not "shoot-and-scoot" like the PLZ-04 since M777 was towed and there was no highway. As a result, India's M777 attrited very fast. Yet India could not crank out replacements because it is purchased not indigenously made.

PLA's biggest advantage is that it could bring up far more numbers using railways. When the Indians began their attack, they thought they enjoyed a 3:1 advantage in numbers. But they did not expect that China had quietly brought up rapid-reaction forces from Lanzhou military region, Chengdu military region and Guangzhou military region. In the end, Indian army was outnumbered 5:1!

Despite being outnumbered and outgunned, Indian army fought bravely and inflicted 2:1 (in favor of China) casualties on PLA. The high quality of the Apache and M777 was a factor. Nonetheless, PLA commanded the upper hand. Waves of PLZ-04 artillery fire rained down on the Indian mountain divisions wherever they were, killing / wounding many of them. PLA infantry supported by Z-10A followed up and tore into Indian positions. The few that survived the vicious assault ran away and eventually froze to death. PLA suffered ~1/10 casualties.


Phase III: Chinese Counter-Offensive

Having destroyed the IAF and destroyed the mountain divisions in both Eastern and Western Sectors, China went on the offense to incapacitate India from any future military adventures.

PLA advanced into the “chicken-neck” area and overran Indian defenses, cutting off the entire northeast. PLA moved through Myanmar and attacked Indian army positions near the border. India demanded that Bangladesh let Indian army transit through to save the northeast, but Bangladesh refused, knowing that it would gain from an independent Republic of Assam, for example better water rights.

In the Western Sector, PLA attacked the Indian army on Siachen Glacier from both the Chinese side and the Pakistan side in a pincher maneuver. Finally, PLA moved into Jammu and Kashmir to roll back the remaining Indian army. Overjoyed at their liberation, Kashmiris rose up and set fire to GoI buildings in Srinagar. The pro-India faction in Kashmir fled the angry mob.

Within two weeks from the beginning of the war, Kashmir was totally lost and the Indian army in Assam was cut off from the rest of India. Then, China fired hundreds terrain-hugging CJ-10 cruise missile at power plants and electricity grids. Suddenly, all the major cities in India are without electricity and running water.

As India entered darkness, rebellion and communal violence broke out all over the country. Naxalites and Assam separatists launched direct assaults on pro-India police and paramilitary forces. Local governments and entire states declare independence from New Delhi. Some generals in the Indian Army tried to restore GoI authority by force but instead the whole country simply sank into civil war.

Important Lessons from the Second Indo-Chinese War

(1) China should not underestimate India. Yes, its indigenous weapons are not a cause for concern, but the weapons India imported in the 2008-2015 time frame is first-class! Sure they will be lesser in quantity and not as well integrated as indigenous Chinese weapons but they are nothing to scoff at.

(2) It is precisely because India has upgraded from second-class weapons to first-class weapons since 2008 that India has started styling itself a "superpower." India is fundamentally an expansionist state and quite dangerous.

(3) China is already reacting to India's hostile policy. Chinese defense minister recently said "Chinese military must be self-reliant." This is reminding India that its arms purchases will not help it defeat China and assert itself as the Asian superpower.

(4) The Second Indo-Chinese War will be decided by fighter aircraft, artillery and combat helicopters. This is why the US is selling these specific items to India! The weapons offered by the US are comparable to the best that China can field indigenously (J-10B, PLZ-04 and Z-10A), making China's industrial advantage over India not decisive.


You forgot to add J-20! :devil:
 
Actually this artical makes some sense. Think about it. USA knows that India hates China.

India hates China:
1. To revenge 1962.
2. Chinese support of Pakistan.
3. India is very very jelous and envy China's success. Many Indian memebers on this fourm even addmmitted it.

India attack China again makes total sense too, because indians alwyas think they are so "strong". Indians think that by getting rid of China will make India the "super" power of the universe and utamilately eat up Pakistan as well, this is why india is buying all these weapons from Russia, US, and Europe. Su-30, more MRCA, ajunk tank, more t-90, lca, very obsleate self-made nuclear sub, very old scholl and obsleate missile, more transport such as il-76, and more.

India thinks that Chinese are weak, simple minded, and lone with out support, while india has support from USA, Europe, Japan, and ofcourse your best friend Russia. India is incredible and so strong. This is why india sends su-30 to the chinese border, send more troops and support dia laima. But all these weapons india buy is obviousely not for peace but for war. When india thinks it is ready it will attack, plane simple.

India's wishful, hopeful, and lala objective. Crush the Chinese, and take Tibet. Then Pakistan will become easy to deal with.
 
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Indo China war if become reality, then it will only happens after Sino-Taiwan or North-South Keora-Japan-US war.


• India China are intelligent enough not to fight for barren land of Leh and hostile land of Arunachal Pradesh where as we talk about 100 billion trade by 2015.
• China has more valid reasons to fight with Taiwan rather then India.
• Also India is big enough to restrain China to attack.
• Not to forget that two nuclear power can never go to war as the spark can always lead to nuclear threat.
• India will never attack China. And if China attack India, then it will confirm that the days of Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Vietnam etc for numbered since if China can think of attacking India which is (big million plus army with missiles and nuclear weapons) then why China will not attack other small, weak nations and capture their resources?? This will only make other countries hostile towards China and will stand against Chinese. Well the reality is India is now aggressively working on its “Look East” policy where it is developing its military ties with Vietnam, S Korea and Japan to check Chinese threat.

Not to forget that why China will attack India? to become bad boy in the world? and then alarm other countries to get alarmed?


Well Business will be more important for China and India rather then fighting with each other in coming decades to come..!!!!


China is more powerful then India, but they must know that its not 1962. If China destroy India, that let me assure you, China will start everything from stone age.

But I support healthy relations of India-China just like their thousands of years of history.



You are funny. Think that when China attacks taiwan, india then go on and stabe China in the back. LOL, you think we dont know your "genius" plan? What do you think Pakistan is there for?

Well, let me answer this question. We Chinese support Pakistan, UNCOIDITIONLLY. Anything in the Chinese arsnel such as the NEWEST J-20 will be in Pakistan's inventory. Pakistan is there to gaurd our back and we Chinese are there to guard their pack.

Now image if Taiwan and China go to war and if india dare to attck China, then China and Pakistan join and attack india from North, West, and East. You tell me the outcome. :)
 
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