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The search for Jinnah's vision of Pakistan

why don't people leave Pakistan, Jinnah and his vision, alone. Any society any country, any nation transforms with passage of time.
Nations who distort their history get themselves distorted.
Its not the 1940s anymore

We love Jinnah as the father of the nation but Pakistan a nation of 200 million is not nailed to one mans vision,

Whether he wanted a secular nation or islamic republic is irrespective, whats important is what 200 million Pakistanis want today, if the majority are inclined towards a religious state then minority should bow down to the masses will
Yes in simple words the 200 million derailed from the path and lost the vision of their great founding father.Today the result is religious violence ,terrorism and lack of nationalism.Personal beliefs comes first and country after.
Still suffering from terrorism but it,s the stupidity of masses which matters.
 
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Yup Absolutely right so did we.. But we Moved to be a pseudo liberal nation, produced a youth who is desperate and dying to get married just to satisfy its lust,
i don't think we moved in the direction of liberalism had that been true you wouldn't have seen the turnout that you saw at the funeral of a killer (mumtaz qadri). coming to the lust part people use it to put blame on liberalism as pakistan or Muslims were free of lust before the advent of liberals.then what about these romantic story like heer rahnjha,mirza sihiba, sasi punu which are considered as part of our beloved culture what were these guys doing? ibadat. you being a biologist knows it very well lust isn't the part of culture it is part of your biology.your brain and hormones are wired in such a way that once you hit 20s they start trying there level best to force you to propagate your spices further.
Even after 70 years we are unable to decide which language is to given preference.. Apnay kisi b aas paas bachay se pooch li jie ga unsath or unhattar ka farq.. You'll see to what we moved on.
some time it is better to accept that you culture/attire is outdated or less efficient and adopt modern day practices.
i will let the pictures do the talking here
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REVAMPED FC
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who doesn't take failure seriously but instead its memes are made to make fun.How many of us are adapted in any extracurricular activity before graduating?

lack of activity is worrisome but truth be told subcontinent were never the fittest bunch like ever.it doesn't justifies it but i think more people are into boxing, MMA, cycling, theater than they were before. go to allevents website and you will be astonished by the amount of events posted their on daily bases for such events.
Even after 70 years we are unable to decide which language is to given preference.. Apnay kisi b aas paas bachay se pooch li jie ga unsath or unhattar ka farq.. You'll see to what we moved on.
the most important language should be the one that let us communicate with as many people as possible in the in the case of pakistan that is urdu and for competing in world market it is English. just focus on these two and you will be fine. or yar other than formal environment grammar ki zarorat kisay hoti hay zuban ka maqsad hota hay apni baat dosrey tak convey karna woh ho rahi hay to tension kis bat ki.
We tried to adopt the west to be liberal and cope up with progressing world but you know what we took from them on the name of liberalism? We only learnt to talk on "intimate" relationship publicly, to abuse in English, To watch p**n and topped in that list... We used advancements of technology to produce a morally corrupt youth...
calm down yar all is not as bad as you think it has become.we learned alot of great things from west (if we are not implementing them as well as the west is doing then it is our fault)
our law is based of western principles.
our armed forces and intelligence are western based.
our legal system is western based. hierarchy of the courts weren't invented by Muslims.
our accounting system, Taxation system, traffic system even irrigation system all are western base.
just have a look how muguals ruled the subcontinent and how many drastic and positive change UK brought with it.(before some blames me of being a mental slave let be clear if i am aware of the positives of british raj i too am well aware of the atrocities committed by them)

now to the morally corrupt youth part was mirza galib or the ayash mughals from this generation:-) people like them are always going to be there.
chal ab bohat serious ho ho gya :D tension na lay yeah ek transition phase hay jab guzar jaye ga to insallah hum ek better qoum ban kay ubhrain gay.
 
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I don't understand one thing. Most of the Pakistani youth are calling for secularism for Pakistan. If that was the issue, then why did Pakistan need to be created? Obviously, it could have been a part of secular India.

These new age retards spit on the existence of their own nation. They curse their own ancestors that wanted to create a Muslim majority republic.
Most of Pakistani youth are calling for an Islamic state.

only idiots call for a secular state.
 
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I don't understand one thing. Most of the Pakistani youth are calling for secularism for Pakistan. If that was the issue, then why did Pakistan need to be created? Obviously, it could have been a part of secular India.

These new age retards spit on the existence of their own nation. They curse their own ancestors that wanted to create a Muslim majority republic.
India was not secular at that time and Jinnah identified the hypocrisy of strong Hindu elements of that time like Nehru and RSS.That was putting Muslims of the subcontinent in the weak position so a separate country was a necessity. But he wanted religion separated from the state and thats the definition of secularism.
See what's happening in India today secularism over there sound like a joke.Its exist in the constitution but not in hearts and minds of the majority.
Jinnah wanted a homeland for Muslims but freedom of religion was part of that state rather than imposing a religion
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The point of making Pakistan wasn't to copy the wests secularism. You don't need secularism for freedom of religion. What happened in Medina 1400 years ago is proof of that. Pakistan needs to create a system that suits itself. Nothing else will work.
 
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The point of making Pakistan wasn't to copy the wests secularism. You don't need secularism for freedom of religion. What happened in Medina 1400 years ago is proof of that. Pakistan needs to create a system that suits itself. Nothing else will work.
If you hate west that much then please stop using smart phones, internet, TVs etc.Everything is western there is nothing you got to be proud of.
 
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If you hate west that much then please stop using smart phones, internet, TVs etc.Everything is western there is nothing you got to be proud of.

When did I say I hate the west? I said that it's system won't work in Pakistan. useless rants like that won't take you anywhere. Don't be a tool.
 
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If you hate west that much then please stop using smart phones, internet, TVs etc.Everything is western there is nothing you got to be proud of.
Probably you are a falseflag.

Not everything is western. The Arabic Numerals were done by Muslims, so was Algebra.

Since you are a secular nationalist should you reject those too because they were done by Muslims.

LOL.

Paper was invented by imperial China, should we reject paper and paper making?

Grow up

No only brain dead morons like don't want to reject hypocrisy and backwardness.
Actually you are the brain dead fool who wants to copy the decadent systems of the west.

Islamic system is the only system for Muslims.
 
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Probably you are a falseflag.

Not everything is western. The Arabic Numerals were done by Muslims, so was Algebra.

Since you are a secular nationalist should you reject those too because they were done by Muslims.

LOL.

Paper was invented by imperial China, should we reject paper and paper making?

Grow up


Actually you are the brain dead fool who wants to copy the decadent systems of the west.

Islamic system is the only system for Muslims.
No one here is denying the golden age of Islam ,all the inventions you are talking about here happened during that era.The west copied us that time and see where they are today.My argument about not changing ourselves with time still hold true.
Where do we stand today?What did we invent after the golden age?Why there is violence and terrorism in all Muslims nation today?Should we blame that on foreign agencies or on so called kuffar or accept our failures?
I am going against the system and not accepting which is wrong ,raising some tough questions and that's what making me a false flag.
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