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The Saudi-Pakistani-Chinese triangle.

Saudi Arab should build it's ties with Iran & strictly moniter those who funds terrorists in Pakistan. Also Pakistan needs investments & trade, Saudis can help Pakistan by purchasing more from Pakistan & investing in Pakistan. Remember that Pakistanis never forget those who help them in troubled times, look at Pak-China relations.
 
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UNITED STATES STRATEGICALLY CONFRONTED WITH CHINA-PAKISTAN-SAUDI ARABIA TRIANGLE
By Dr. Subhash Kapila
Warning: This article is extremely anti-Chinese/pakistani and Saudi since the writer is clearly pro-western. But I find it that it has many things that has a lot of sense.

Well I don't understand why you think of it as "anti" anyone. He is just putting his perspectives - right on wrong on what "might" be happening. Infact, I read his articles and I know for a fact that he is very critical of US and West security policies and can be said to be more pro-Russian. Possibly a lingering connection of the pro-Soviet years he has.

But here are a few points in hindsight given that this article was about 2 years old.

(1) He basis most of his assertions on US think tanks without identifying which ones. So there is no way of knowing the information that he believes is accurate is from a good think tank or someone with a tilted agenda.

(2) Post 1960s upto the fall of the USSR, China was also part of the US led alliance against the Soviets. The Saudis, Pakistanis, Chinese alongwith the Israelis and led by the US worked together in Afghanistan to bring down the USSR. This crucial historic fact is not mentioned. Infact, much of Chinese initial success today can be attributed to the US opening up to the Chinese economy as a reward of sorts of going against the USSR. So until the fall of the USSR; Chinese, Pakistanis, Saudis all were on the same side with the US.

(3) China's help in the Pakistani nuke is no secret. China feels that Pakistan is useful pawn in keeping India in check and a cheap way of doing so.

(4) China's provision of CSS missiles is full of controversy with all kinds of speculation. But lets look at why and how the Saudis acquired these. Going by Robert Laceys investigative book "Inside the Kingdom", in the 1980s Iran-Iraq war, the Saudis were funding Iraqi weaponry including Chinese weapons that would be brought and transited to Iraq through Saudi territory. The Iranians and Iraqis already had long range missiles while the Saudis had nothing to deter Iran with. They requested the US first to provide short range missiles but when this was rejected (possibly on the Israeli concern) Prince Bandar requested China to provide these.
The main idea being to deter Iran from launching missile attacks against its facilities.

(5) And from this Kapila misses a main factor here - Iran. The Saudis will go nuclear only if Iran goes nuclear. And Iran can go nuclear only if China and Pakistan help it in going nuclear. AQ Khan the Pakistani nuclear scientist is well known in providing nuke tech details to Iranians and others. But sane people in Pakistan would have realised how foolish this is and the wrath from the Saudis when they found that out. Musharraf under his tenure because of this tries his best to shut down the Iranian nuke program. But after Musharraf is gone, will the current govt. under Zardari do the same?
Do read the extent of pressure Musharraf put on Iran from the DAWN report
Musharraf govt pushed Iran to abandon N-weapons programme | Newspaper | DAWN.COM

(6) Given the fact that Saudis will go nuclear only if Iran does, what does this imply for Pakistan? The rational choice would be for Pakistan to continue to be the only nuke country and prevent Iran from acquiring weapons. But if it becomes too assertive or aggressive against Iran, then it can also fuel tensions and destabilize Pakistan in return.

(7)Gulf WarII against Iraq was a wrong choice when the Bush administration should have focused on the Af - Pak region. There was no threat from Iraq. Not only KSA, but even Turkey refused basing rights. EU countries like Germany and other countries like India refused troops and criticized the move. India actually passed a unanimous resolution against the US-led war in Iraq. And this was under the BJP led govt. for those who don't remember.

(8) KSA continues to buy the bulk of its military equipment from the US. The relationship means at least under 15-20 years of strong security partnership. In fact, this is the biggest arms deal in US history or maybe even world history between two countries. This is mainly to protect the GCC countries from Iranian expansionism. Pakistan on the other hand can't take a hostile attitude against Iran because it is a neighbor and can cause problems for it in Afghanistan. Atleast this is the rational option. If Pakistan does join up in confronting Iran - which seems unlikely - it will have to face consequences from it.
Saudi Arms Deal Advances
White House to Notify Congress Soon of $60 Billion Package, Largest Ever for U.S.


(9) And lastly, the Saudis have finally learned the advantages of multi-polar diplomacy. That is have good relations with every major power. So it was no surprise that the next country King Abdulla visited right after his China trip was India where he was the Chief Guest at the Republic Day parade where he called India his second home.
Saudi King terms India his 'second home' - Express India

In fact, some interesting articles that people can read from the same author about this and how India should balance its relationship with Iran and KSA is here.
INDIA – SAUDI ARABIA: THE STRATEGIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THE DELHI DECLARATION (JANUARY 2006)
Saudi Arabia – India Diplomatic Overtures: Perspectives

In other words, KSA is doing what any other country would do if they were smart enough. Never depend on one major power and have good relations with other major powers with which you don't have a direct problem.
 
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Well I don't understand why you think of it as "anti" anyone. He is just putting his perspectives - right on wrong on what "might" be happening. Infact, I read his articles and I know for a fact that he is very critical of US and West security policies and can be said to be more pro-Russian. Possibly a lingering connection of the pro-Soviet years he has.

But here are a few points in hindsight given that this article was about 2 years old.

(1) He basis most of his assertions on US think tanks without identifying which ones. So there is no way of knowing the information that he believes is accurate is from a good think tank or someone with a tilted agenda.

(2) Post 1960s upto the fall of the USSR, China was also part of the US led alliance against the Soviets. The Saudis, Pakistanis, Chinese alongwith the Israelis and led by the US worked together in Afghanistan to bring down the USSR. This crucial historic fact is not mentioned. Infact, much of Chinese initial success today can be attributed to the US opening up to the Chinese economy as a reward of sorts of going against the USSR. So until the fall of the USSR; Chinese, Pakistanis, Saudis all were on the same side with the US.

(3) China's help in the Pakistani nuke is no secret. China feels that Pakistan is useful pawn in keeping India in check and a cheap way of doing so.

(4) China's provision of CSS missiles is full of controversy with all kinds of speculation. But lets look at why and how the Saudis acquired these. Going by Robert Laceys investigative book "Inside the Kingdom", in the 1980s Iran-Iraq war, the Saudis were funding Iraqi weaponry including Chinese weapons that would be brought and transited to Iraq through Saudi territory. The Iranians and Iraqis already had long range missiles while the Saudis had nothing to deter Iran with. They requested the US first to provide short range missiles but when this was rejected (possibly on the Israeli concern) Prince Bandar requested China to provide these.
The main idea being to deter Iran from launching missile attacks against its facilities.

(5) And from this Kapila misses a main factor here - Iran. The Saudis will go nuclear only if Iran goes nuclear. And Iran can go nuclear only if China and Pakistan help it in going nuclear. AQ Khan the Pakistani nuclear scientist is well known in providing nuke tech details to Iranians and others. But sane people in Pakistan would have realised how foolish this is and the wrath from the Saudis when they found that out. Musharraf under his tenure because of this tries his best to shut down the Iranian nuke program. But after Musharraf is gone, will the current govt. under Zardari do the same?
Do read the extent of pressure Musharraf put on Iran from the DAWN report
Musharraf govt pushed Iran to abandon N-weapons programme | Newspaper | DAWN.COM

(6) Given the fact that Saudis will go nuclear only if Iran does, what does this imply for Pakistan? The rational choice would be for Pakistan to continue to be the only nuke country and prevent Iran from acquiring weapons. But if it becomes too assertive or aggressive against Iran, then it can also fuel tensions and destabilize Pakistan in return.

(7)Gulf WarII against Iraq was a wrong choice when the Bush administration should have focused on the Af - Pak region. There was no threat from Iraq. Not only KSA, but even Turkey refused basing rights. EU countries like Germany and other countries like India refused troops and criticized the move. India actually passed a unanimous resolution against the US-led war in Iraq. And this was under the BJP led govt. for those who don't remember.

(8) KSA continues to buy the bulk of its military equipment from the US. The relationship means at least under 15-20 years of strong security partnership. In fact, this is the biggest arms deal in US history or maybe even world history between two countries. This is mainly to protect the GCC countries from Iranian expansionism. Pakistan on the other hand can't take a hostile attitude against Iran because it is a neighbor and can cause problems for it in Afghanistan. Atleast this is the rational option. If Pakistan does join up in confronting Iran - which seems unlikely - it will have to face consequences from it.
Saudi Arms Deal Advances
White House to Notify Congress Soon of $60 Billion Package, Largest Ever for U.S.


(9) And lastly, the Saudis have finally learned the advantages of multi-polar diplomacy. That is have good relations with every major power. So it was no surprise that the next country King Abdulla visited right after his China trip was India where he was the Chief Guest at the Republic Day parade where he called India his second home.
Saudi King terms India his 'second home' - Express India

In fact, some interesting articles that people can read from the same author about this and how India should balance its relationship with Iran and KSA is here.
INDIA – SAUDI ARABIA: THE STRATEGIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THE DELHI DECLARATION (JANUARY 2006)
Saudi Arabia – India Diplomatic Overtures: Perspectives

In other words, KSA is doing what any other country would do if they were smart enough. Never depend on one major power and have good relations with other major powers with which you don't have a direct problem.

1) Pakistan is not China's pawn.
Pakistan and China's relationship is based on mutual respect. EjazR you are a typical liar, as you have proven to be. Me and RR are sick of you.

2)If there is a war between Iran and Pakistan, Pakistan would easily smash Iran.
Iran doesn't even have a real air force.
Saudi Arabia and UAE would support Pakistan wholeheartedly. Perhaps Saudi Arabia and UAE might join in the war to end the war quickly. How would Pakistan be destabilized?
Pakistan too, wields its influence in Afghanistan. The Shias are a minority in Afghanistan.
So what if Saudi Arabia gets nuclear weapons. Pakistan is still important in many way as a trading corridor in Asia.
What the King said in India was probably just for domestic consumption.
Saudi Arabia-Pakistan-China alliance seems probable.
 
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Alright, Aryan_B you have raised a point, but Iran is under sanctions.
No country wants to socialize with a country under UN sanctions.

Internationally, Iran is under sanctions and have bad Image. But, If you visit Iran than you will realize that it's better than many other so called allayed countries of USZ. They have infrastructure, Every kind of technology, Brands available, I will say more advance than PAK, India. The have build their own industry.
 
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Internationally, Iran is under sanctions and have bad Image. But, If you visit Iran than you will realize that it's better than many other so called allayed countries of USZ. They have infrastructure, Every kind of technology, Brands available, I will say more advance than PAK, India. The have build their own industry.

Well how can Iran get out of it's situation?
What are Iran's options?
 
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1) Pakistan is not China's pawn.
Pakistan and China's relationship is based on mutual respect. EjazR you are a typical liar, as you have proven to be. Me and RR are sick of you.

2)If there is a war between Iran and Pakistan, Pakistan would easily smash Iran.
Iran doesn't even have a real air force.
Saudi Arabia and UAE would support Pakistan wholeheartedly. Perhaps Saudi Arabia and UAE might join in the war to end the war quickly. How would Pakistan be destabilized?
Pakistan too, wields its influence in Afghanistan. The Shias are a minority in Afghanistan.
So what if Saudi Arabia gets nuclear weapons. Pakistan is still important in many way as a trading corridor in Asia.
What the King said in India was probably just for domestic consumption.
Saudi Arabia-Pakistan-China alliance seems probable.

Agree with 1.

But for 2, Why you are assuming that Pakistan have to fight with Iran?????? I think we will help them if IsraHell waged war against them :cheers:
 
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Well how can Iran get out of it's situation?
What are Iran's options?

What situation? They don't care about relations with USZ. They have good relations with Pak, China, African Countries and even with India.
 
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Agree with 1.

But for 2, Why you are assuming that Pakistan have to fight with Iran?????? I think we will help them if IsraHell waged war against them :cheers:
Saudi Arabia and Emirates have bad relations with Iran.
Emirates also have a territorial dispute with Iran. Emirates's arguments are correct, and the occupied islands should be under UAE control.

EjazR was talking about Pakistan getting aggressive with Iran to shut down their nuclear weapons programme.
So I was just saying if there is a war, Pakistan would probably win hands down.
1) Pakistan has allies
2) Pakistan has a much better millitary
3) Iran has enemies
 
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Saudi Arabia and Emirates have bad relations with Iran.
Emirates also have a territorial dispute with Iran. Emirates's arguments are correct, and the occupied islands should be under UAE control.

EjazR was talking about Pakistan getting aggressive with Iran to shut down their nuclear weapons programme.
So I was just saying if there is a war, Pakistan would probably win hands down.
1) Pakistan has allies
2) Pakistan has a much better millitary
3) Iran has enemies

Well.... Iran's most of imports are through Emirates..... How you will explain this?

Friend - We shouldn't assume stupid things and start commenting on it. First of all, Iran can't go on war with Emirates because it is survival is dependent on them. It can't go on war with KSA because it will make Muslims (All over the world) their enemy, and i think they are stupid enough to make this kind of decision. Be positive, don't fall in propaganda of Zionists.
 
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Saudi is fully dependent on US for all its defence requirement... How can anyone think of Saudi going against US....
 
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From Wikipedia,
Economy of Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is based on 2008 statistics
Saudi Arabia's largest export partners were USA at 17.2% and Japan at 15.3%
Saudi Arabia's largest import partners were USA at 12% and China at 10.4%.


From cia world fact book:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/sa.html
This is based on 2009 statistics
Saudi Arabia's largest export partners were: Japan 15.4% then China at 12.5%, then finally USA at 12.3%
Saudi Arabia's largest import partners were: USA 12.8%, then China 12.5%

Saudi Arabia is indeed moving away from the west, but Japan seems to get most of Saudi oil.
Am I right?
Because I'm assuming Saudi Arabia exports mainly oil right?

All Saudi and other Middle Eastren Puppets Oil sales are to be done in US dollars only and all money Must be Must be kept in Western banks so guess who actually controls the oil sales and in return house of saud is safe to stay and protection is provided to them by western military base in middle east its as simple as that.
 
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The Plan is by 2020 at least 70% of all Military hardware in KSA will be domestically made. And there is a technological revolution in KSA to people who are opening their eyes about it. Not fall for stereotypes of Arabs being the dumber of the word inhabitants.
Kingdom to manufacture 70% of military hardware locally - Arab News



70% of above launcher is made in KSA rest even the hammer is imported ladies and gentleman we are no longer dependent on west TA_DA.
 
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If saudis were helpful or real freinds of pak they would encourage pakistans defence industry by buying pakistani weapons. saudis dont have enough population or engineers etc to make an effective industrialised base. Granted Al khalid and JF17 are not as good as some american weapons but if saudis helped by buying pakistanis would get better.
 
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