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The Right to Vote Should Be Restricted to Those With Knowledge

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The Right to Vote Should Be Restricted to Those With Knowledge

Consider an alternative political system called epistocracy, which apportions political power according to knowledge or competence.

Who should hold power: the few or the many? Concentrating power in the hands of a few – in monarchy, dictatorship or oligarchy – tends to result in power for personal benefit at the expense of others. Yet in spreading power among the many – as in a democracy – individual votes no longer matter, and so most voters remain ignorant, biased and misinformed.

We have a dilemma.

Republican, representative democracy tries to split the difference. Checks and balances, judicial reviews, bills of rights and elected representatives are all designed to hold leaders accountable to the people while also constraining the foolishness of the ignorant masses. Overall, these institutions work well: in general, people in democracies have the highest standards of living. But what if we could do better?

Consider an alternative political system called epistocracy. Epistocracies retain the same institutions as representative democracies, including imposing liberal constitutional limits on power, bills of rights, checks and balances, elected representatives and judicial review. But while democracies give every citizen an equal right to vote, epistocracies apportion political power, by law, according to knowledge or competence.

The idea here is not that knowledgeable people deserve to rule – of course they don’t – but that the rest of us deserve not to be subjected to incompetently made political decisions. Political decisions are high stakes, and democracies entrust some of these high-stakes decisions to the ignorant and incompetent. Democracies tend to pass laws and policies that appeal to the median voter, yet the median voter would fail econ, history, sociology, and pol sci 101. Empirical work generally shows that voters would support different policies if they were better informed.


Voters tend to mean well, but voting well takes more than a kind heart. It requires tremendous social scientific knowledge: knowledge that most citizens lack. Most voters know nothing, but some know a great deal, and some know less than nothing. The goal of liberal republican epistocracy is to protect against democracy’s downsides, by reducing the power of the least-informed voters, or increasing the power of better-informed ones.

There are many ways of instituting epistocracy, some of which would work better than others. For instance, an epistocracy might deny citizens the franchise unless they can pass a test of basic political knowledge. They might give every citizen one vote, but grant additional votes to citizens who pass certain tests or obtain certain credentials. They might pass all laws through normal democratic means, but then permit bands of experts to veto badly designed legislation. For instance, a board of economic advisors might have the right to veto rent-control laws, just as the Supreme Court can veto laws that violate the Constitution.

Or, an epistocracy might allow every citizen to vote at the same time as requiring them to take a test of basic political knowledge and submit their demographic information. With such data, any statistician could calculate the public’s ‘enlightened preferences’, that is, what a demographically identical voting population would support if only it were better informed. An epistocracy might then instantiate the public’s enlightened preferences rather than their actual, unenlightened preferences.

A major question is what counts (and who decides what counts) as political competence, or basic political knowledge. We don’t want self-interested politicians rigging a political competence exam in their own favour. One might use widely accepted pre-existing tests; the Unites States citizenship test, for example, or the same questions that the American National Election Studies have used for 60 years. These questions – who is the current president? Which item is the largest part of the federal budget? – are easily verifiable and uncontroversial, plus an ability to answer them correctly is strongly correlated with the kind of political knowledge that does matter in an election.

One common objection to epistocracy – at least among political philosophers – is that democracy is essential toexpressing the idea that everyone is equal. On its face, this is a strange claim. Democracy is a political system, not a poem or a painting. Yet people treat the right to vote like a certificate of commendation, meant to show that society regards you as a full member of the national club. (That’s one reason we disenfranchise felons.) But we could instead view the franchise as no more significant than a plumbing or medical licence. The US government denies me such licences, but I don’t regard that as expressing I’m inferior, all things considered, to others.

Others object that the equal right to vote is essential to make government respond to our interests. But the math doesn’t check out. In most major elections, I have as much chance of making a difference as I do of winning the lottery. How wevote matters, but how any one of us votes, or even whether one votes, makes no difference. It might be a disaster if Donald Trump wins the presidency, but it’s not a disaster for me to vote for him. As the political theorist Ben Saunders says: in a democracy, each person’s power is so small that insisting on equality is like arguing over the crumbs of a cake rather than an equal slice.

On the other hand, it’s true (at least right now) that certain demographic groups (such as rich white men) are more likely to pass a basic political knowledge test than others (such as poor black women). Hence the worry that epistocracies will favour the interests of some groups over others. But this worry might be overstated. Political scientists routinely find that so long as individual voters have a low chance of being decisive, they vote for what they perceive to be the common good rather than their self-interest. Further, it might well be that excluding or reducing the power of the least knowledgeable 75 per cent of white people produces better results for poor black women than democracy does.

Of course, any epistocratic system would face abuse. It’s easy to imagine all the things that might go wrong. But that’s also true of democracy. The more interesting question is which system, warts and all, would work best. In the end, it’s a mistake to picture epistocracy as being the rule of an elite band of technocrats or ‘philosopher kings’. Rather, the idea is: do what democracy does, but better. Democracy and epistocracy both spread power among the many, but epistocracy tries to make sure the informed many are not drowned out by the ignorant or misinformed many.
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http://thewire.in/72212/knowledge-epistocracy-republican-democracy/
 
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How does one define knowledge? After all, there are many educated within the subcontinent society who engage in nepotism, corruption and/or limit their knowledge to their degree and make no better decisions than any other uneducated fool or bigot.
 
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What if we have a system that to be eligible to vote you should be atleast 10th class pass and to be eligible to stand for elction you should be atleast a graduate. it sounds elitist but it will solve problems of states like UP and Bihar being run by bahubalis just because of lot of ignorant people voted for them

How does one define knowledge? After all, there are many educated within the subcontinent society who engage in nepotism, corruption and/or limit their knowledge to their degree and make no better decisions than any other uneducated fool or bigot.
I agree with your point that there are a large number of educated people who are crooks, fools and bigots but considering a smaller pool of educated people being elected by a smaller pool of educated voters will tend to reduce (not eliminate) the chances for crooks to come to power.
 
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Yeah and those educated High Class, Upper Middle Class and Middle class will elect Government which follows their agenda...

Formal Education can never be considered a parameter of a Persons Knowledge... Take the example of 2014 general election where Educated people from Kerala voted for most corrupt politicians while so call uneducated masses from UP and Bihar voted for Change...

You forget that the Flag Bearers of Leftist Marxism are Highly educated intellectuals...The modern education system is actually programming an individual to think and feel the way their concept of society should... while a illiterate will follow what suits best for the situation... All most all the education in every part of the world includes propaganda which makes a individual best suited citizen for their respective society and carter for the running political systems and political dynasties...

Terrorism, Extremism, Colonialism, Imperialism, Communism, Capitalism, Co-operate exploitation are all the by products of modern education system...
 
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Yeah and those educated High Class, Upper Middle Class and Middle class will elect Government which follows their agenda...

Formal Education can never be considered a parameter of a Persons Knowledge... Take the example of 2014 general election where Educated people from Kerala voted for most corrupt politicians while so call uneducated masses from UP and Bihar voted for Change...

You forget that the Flag Bearers of Leftist Marxism are Highly educated intellectuals...The modern education system is actually programming an individual to think and feel the way their concept of society should... while a illiterate will follow what suits best for the situation... All most all the education in every part of the world includes propaganda which makes a individual best suited citizen for their respective society and carter for the running political systems and political dynasties...

Terrorism, Extremism, Colonialism, Imperialism, Communism, Capitalism, Co-operate exploitation are all the by products of modern education system...
What about BJP's core votebank upper middle class urban voter. He/she is highly educated.

And contrast this with the vote bank of someone like Mayawati or Akhilesh or Lallu uneducated, dalit muslims, poor and backward classes. The kind of people who will vote for a daaru ki bottle and a sari just before the election
 
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Whole South India, which has more per capita education than north India is all thumbs down to Modi & the BJP where there are no Mayawati's, Akhilesh or Lallus.

Rofol at weird Indian logic:

Kissing in public is frowned upon in India, while pissing is not.
 
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What about BJP's core votebank upper middle class urban voter. He/she is highly educated.

And contrast this with the vote bank of someone like Mayawati or Akhilesh or Lallu uneducated, dalit muslims, poor and backward classes. The kind of people who will vote for a daaru ki bottle and a sari just before the election
Urban Vote Bank???

Thats is why BJP always failed to form government even tho they have a Strong India centric political Ideology... BJP Communication was only with urban population and even their they couldnt garner more then 50 % of Votes...

Modi changed the Game by going deep into Villages and after been the PM be did most of work for the Villagers and poor... That is why Urban population is complaining Modi was not upto the mark...While in the past political elites of BJP worked for Urban educated class ... Congress did all the political symbolism to show themselves been pro-poor... BJP is a new player in this game...

BJP led by Advani thought they can fool village people with Ram Mandir and Pakistan issue for ever, they never considered Villagers are worth development politics that was just reserved for Urban population... BJP were basically saying Ram Mandir and Nationalism for poor and Development and Industrialization for Urban Middle class...

The first BJP led NDA government never dared to touch Media, intellectuals, NGO's, Lutyens Class and Political bureaucrats... BUT the Villager Modi took the Bull by its horns ...

The poor need Political options if they get a better one they can change their mindset far earlier then the educated one's ...
 
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Urban Vote Bank???

Thats is why BJP always failed to form government even tho they have a Strong India centric political Ideology... BJP Communication was only with urban population and even their they couldnt garner more then 50 % of Votes...

Modi changed the Game by going deep into Villages and after been the PM be did most of work for the Villagers and poor... That is why Urban population is complaining Modi was not upto the mark...While in the past political elites of BJP worked for Urban educated class ... Congress did all the political symbolism to show themselves been pro-poor... BJP is a new player in this game...

BJP led by Advani thought they can fool village people with Ram Mandir and Pakistan issue for ever, they never considered Villagers are worth development politics that was just reserved for Urban population... BJP were basically saying Ram Mandir and Nationalism for poor and Development and Industrialization for Urban Middle class...

The first BJP led NDA government never dared to touch Media, intellectuals, NGO's, Lutyens Class and Political bureaucrats... BUT the Villager Modi took the Bull by its horns ...

The poor need Political options if they get a better one they can change their mindset far earlier then the educated one's ...
I am not saying that it is bad to focus on the village votes and Modi is doing very well in that department. But you must also realise that they are not that effected by development and require a strong emotional issue as a cherry on top
 
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I am not saying that it is bad to focus on the village votes and Modi is doing very well in that department. But you must also realise that they are not that effected by development and require a strong emotional issue as a cherry on top
So you think Villagers are Emotional People??? And Urban's are not ??? o_O
 
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What if we have a system that to be eligible to vote you should be atleast 10th class pass and to be eligible to stand for elction you should be atleast a graduate. it sounds elitist but it will solve problems of states like UP and Bihar being run by bahubalis just because of lot of ignorant people voted for them

Same ignorant people gave 73/80 in UP and 32/40 in Bihar to Modi. Universal Franchise is non negotiable. And a politburo type of system is especially not warranted.
 
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Same ignorant people gave 73/80 in UP and 32/40 in Bihar to Modi. Universal Franchise is non negotiable. And a politburo type of system is especially not warranted.
At time of Bihar legislative election many of us were saying that Biharis deserve to be ruled by Lallu

OK I am not asking for politburo system
What about min qualification for standing for election?
 
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Some having democratic rights and some don't, is asking for immense trouble. What we have in India is good. Let us all vote and who get the most vote rule.
 
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Same ignorant people gave 73/80 in UP and 32/40 in Bihar to Modi. Universal Franchise is non negotiable. And a politburo type of system is especially not warranted.
While I am against the current multi party system... we must have 2-3 party system... Multi party system is actually democratic in real sense but it has become too much chaotic with every party having its regional interests with no national interests ...

Atleast Election commission and Supreme Court should define a minimum guidelines to recognize a party... Political Parties with Caste, religious and particular community leaning should be banned specially parties who has separatist agenda...
 
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