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The real reasons Tehran is obsessed with Israel

It's difficult to describe a rogue lunatic state like Israel that suffers state level paranoid schizophrenia with any real concision.

I appreciate you quoting me, it would be nice if you would answer some of these questions you manage to dig yourself into in our debates.

Too many pronouns.

Still not a single answer.
 
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Still not a single answer.
You employed pronouns in an attempt to engage in a false question fallacy to justify altering the thread topic.

Naturally, if you're willing to engage in that kind of deceit, your characterization of Israel is unlikely to honestly expressed, either.
 
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You employed pronouns in an attempt to engage in a false question fallacy to justify altering the thread topic.

Naturally, if you're willing to engage in that kind of deceit, your characterization of Israel is unlikely to honestly expressed, either.

Your unwillingness (or inability) to answer simple questions after quoting me on this topic is duly noted. :D
 
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You employed pronouns in an attempt to engage in a false question fallacy to justify altering the thread topic.

Naturally, if you're willing to engage in that kind of deceit, your characterization of Israel is unlikely to honestly expressed, either.
Typical Ashkenazi misdirection!
 
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Your unwillingness (or inability) to answer simple questions after quoting me on this topic is duly noted. :D
The immediate question becomes, "Who is violating an acceptable Rule of Order, Solomon2 or Jungibaaz?" Rule of Order issues must be resolved before discussion continues.
 
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The immediate question becomes, "Who is violating an acceptable Rule of Order, Solomon2 or Jungibaaz?" Rule of Order issues must be resolved before discussion continues.

How pretentious, sprinkling on contrived fallacy arguments and whatever this rule of order is, doesn't add any validity to the absurdity of your posts. Your arguments here are void, no need to put lipstick on a pig.
 
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You should report me if you feel like I've violated a forum rule, it'd be quicker.

By the way if it wasn't obvious before, the lipstick in this analogy are your contrived attempts at making the arguments more intellectual, the pig being invalid arguments that you're fully aware are invalid.
 
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The deep reason Muslim world hates Zionism

Rafael Castro |Last update: 10.08.17 , 20:08

Understanding the theological implications of Zionism for Islam is crucial to realizing why peace eludes Israel. Without these implications, Israel would've probably been tolerated as a minor nuisance. Due to these implications, though, the Muslim world tends to attribute demonic ambitions to Zionism.

Cultural and political demands advanced by Berbers, Kurds and Chechens have been frustrated. Muslim claims over Mindanao and Southern Thailand have been crushed. Yet Islamic solidarity and support for the Palestinian cause dwarfs the solidarity and support provided to urgent Muslim causes elsewhere.

During the 20th century, millions of Muslims were murdered and exiled from the Balkans, the Caucasus and India. More recently, hundreds of thousands of Muslims have been persecuted and exiled from Myanmar. Muslim hatred of the nations behind these atrocities is regional. The odium stirred by smaller Zionist abuses is pan-Islamic.

Many Islamic scholars regard non-Muslim control of Muslim lands to be unjust and offensive. Yet religious sensitivity to occupation is selective: Chinese subjugation of Muslim Xinjiang, the Indian takeover of Kashmir and Russian dominance in the Caucasus are largely ignored. Jewish control of Palestine fuels religious fundamentalism and terrorism throughout the world. The claim that Jewish control over Jerusalem—the third holiest city of Islam—lies at the origin of these emotions is incorrect: Zionism was vilified long before Israel controlled any Muslim holy sites in Palestine.

Some analysts claim that aversion to Zionism reflects the strength of Islamic anti-Semitism. This theory is weak. It does not explain how Jews lived in relative peace and prosperity in Muslim lands for many centuries. If Muslims had hated Jews throughout history, it would be hard to fathom why Jews in India, for instance, built their synagogues in the heart of Muslim neighborhoods and why most Spanish Jews sought refuge in Muslim lands after 1492.

Contemporary anti-Zionism in the Muslim world reflects fears that recognition of Zionism discredits Islam. Zionism cites memories of exile to claim Jewish rights to self-determination in the Land of Israel. Jewish descent from the exiled Israelites and continuity between Israelite and Jewish religious traditions undergird this narrative.

According to Islamic tradition, the biblical Abraham, Moses, David and Solomon were Muslim prophets. The Israelites were also originally Muslim. The corollary is Islamic supersession, namely the belief that Muslims—and not Jews—are the legitimate heirs to the Israelite faith and homeland. Muslim denial that a Jewish temple existed in Jerusalem reflects Islamic beliefs that the Muslim king and prophet Suleyman built a mosque on the Temple Mount. Islamic supersession is based on the Islamic doctrine of tahrif, which teaches that Jewish and Christian scriptures distort the Islamic message delivered by the prophets of antiquity.

As fanciful as tahrif and Islamic supersession may appear to non-Muslims, these teachings are fundamental in justifying the doctrinal superiority of Islam. These teachings also shed light on the fundamental reason most Muslim states refuse to recognize Jewish ties to Jerusalem and to accept Israel as the homeland of the Jewish people.

Recognizing Israel as the Jewish homeland involves accepting the Zionist narrative. For Muslims, this means engaging with Jewish history and Jewish scriptures on historical terms—not Islamic terms. Doing so leads to recognition that Judaism predates Islam and that Islam appropriated prophetic traditions from Judaism.

For Israel, making peace with Muslim nations is a diplomatic achievement. For Muslim nations, accepting Zionism concedes the precedence of Judaism over Islam. Understanding the theological implications of Zionism for Islam is crucial to realizing why peace eludes Israel. Without these theological implications, Israel would probably be tolerated as a minor nuisance. Due to these theological implications, the Muslim world tends to attribute demonic ambitions to Zionism.

The psychological impact of Zionism is hard to overestimate. Throughout Islamic history, the fact that Jews were docile dhimmis subject to Muslim rule demonstrated the truth of supersession. Zionism subverted traditional religious hierarchies in the Middle East. By doing so, it also subverted the credibility of Islamic superiority over Judaism. The insecurity and anxiety created by this situation hardens political postures.

Despite the advantages of a peace agreement with Israel and the heavy costs of continued conflict, a survey conducted by Bernard Sabella of Bethlehem University during the Oslo peace process revealed 81 percent of Muslim Palestinians wanted Palestinian control over all of Jerusalem, including its Jewish neighborhoods. Only 33 percent of Christian Palestinians endorsed this view. These figures—even though they are not recent—suggest that Palestinian intransigence in the conflict is not motivated by a collective historical trauma or by nationalism.

As long as the religious legitimacy of Judaism is denied, the vast majority of Muslims will reject genuine peace and reconciliation with Israel.

Were the demands of Palestinian negotiators driven by national pride and memories of the tragic Nakba, Christian Palestinians who are proudly patriotic and who also experienced the Nakba would be as intransigent as their Muslim neighbors. These survey results suggest that the refusal of Hamas and the Palestinian Authority to recognize Israel as the Jewish homeland mirrors the religious anti-Zionism of a predominantly Muslim population.

It is true that Egypt and Jordan, which are predominantly Muslim countries, have signed peace agreements with Israel. Neither Egypt nor Jordan, however, ever agreed to recognize Israel as the Jewish homeland. It is probable that had Israel demanded this recognition, both Egypt and Jordan would have refused to sign peace agreements with Israel. And despite these peace agreements, both Egypt and Jordan continue to boycott Israel and imbue schoolchildren with hostility towards Israel

Ending the Israeli-Arab conflict requires Islamic recognition of the historical and spiritual significance of Israel for the Jewish people. This recognition will only be forthcoming when Muslim public opinion is exposed to pre-Islamic history, archaeology and scriptures. Islamic engagement with Jewish religious texts is fundamental for Jewish human rights to be respected in the Middle East. As long as the religious legitimacy of Judaism is denied, the vast majority of Muslims will reject genuine peace and reconciliation with Israel.

Rafael Castro (rafaelcastro78@gmail.com ) is an independent political analyst based in Berlin.
Distortion of.history is the main skill of.Zionist
First Arab r the original Semites the same tribes were previously Jewish who then embraced Christianity and latter Islam
As for theology issues again stupid claim Islam has said Jews and Christian as people of books we all r parts of Abrahamic religions Islam is it final.form and jewdism older every Muslim knows that
But yes we say that with passage.of.time teachings of Christianity and jrwdism was corrupted
But issue here is that majority of Israel r European occupiers making up long thin correlation with original Israelite of that land (WHO them selves became Muslim with time)
And r using the victim card of halucaust to justify there own atrocities against people who had nothing to do with halucaust again a stupid twisted logic
They r crushing Palestinian and saying we were once done the same by Nazis so we r doing the same to Palestinian so to ensure they dont do what's Nazis did To Jews ????
As for examples of violance against Arab Jews this started after arrival and occupation by European Jews which seeded extremism i n locals so they vented out on local Jews which then over exaggerated by European jrews to justify their own atrocities which caused the reaction from Palestinian I .First place
 
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The real reasons Tehran is obsessed with Israel

DR. MAJID RAFIZADEH

May 27, 2018

If you listen to Iranian politicians, the speeches of the Supreme Leader or Friday prayers in Iran, or study its state-controlled newspapers and other media, you will notice that hardly a day passes without the Iranian regime lashing out at Israel, which it commonly refers to as the “Little Satan.”

Some policy analysts argue this suggests two things; that Iran and Israel are natural enemies, and that the enmity is caused by the Iranian leaders’ determination to support the Palestinian people. Apologists for the regime frequently point to Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s claim that Tehran’s animosity toward Israel is solely to help the “oppressed” Palestinians.

These arguments fail to reveal the strategic, geopolitical, historic and ideological reality. When the ruling clerics of Iran came to power in 1979, Iran-Israel relations shifted dramatically. Before the Iranian revolution, Israel and Tehran enjoyed close geopolitical and strategic relationships. Military cooperation was robust and included arms deals worth millions of dollars.

Iran built amicable ties with Israel for several reasons. The first was that Tehran wanted to undermine pan-Arabism. Secondly, Iran desired to appease the US by aligning itself with Washington’s staunchest regional ally, Israel. Third, Tehran sought to obtain the support of the Jewish community in the US, which was believed to be a powerful lobby group with influence in shaping US foreign policy in the Middle East. Fourth, Iran was seeking to build alliances with countries that shared common interests with Tehran in order to counter the Soviet Union’s influence in the region.

But when the mullahs seized power, Israel became a core element and a focal point of the regime’s foreign policy because the clerical establishment projected Israel as one of its critical enemies. Iran’s late Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, coined the derogatory epithet“Little Satan,” and the chant of “Death to Israel” became an integral part of the regime’s rallies.

There are several reasons for this obsession, and the regime’s colossal and unexpected policy change toward Israel.


"Threats to annihilate Israel, Holocaust denial by senior officials such as former president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and hosting anti-Semitic events such the annual Holocaust Cartoon Competition are common practices within the clerical establishment, and are further examples of the regime’s anti-Semitic stance"
Dr. Majid Rafizadeh

To begin with, the clerics did not view their power and revolution as limited to Iran’s borders. One of the vital parts of the regime’s pursuit of regional domination is expanding its influence in the Levant, which has considerable strategic importance in the region. Having a presence in the Levant ensures Iran’s access to the Mediterranean Sea and grants the mullahs a significant edge over the Arab world. Competing with, outdoing, outperforming, and dominating powerful Arab states is one of Iran’s regional aims.

To achieve such an objective, the most effective way was to create an enemy. Which enemy is better than a powerful state such as Israel? From the mullahs’ perspective, having such a strong enemy would justify Tehran’s intensive military adventurism and expansionist policies in Lebanon, Syria, and Palestine.

It would also justify Iran’s efforts to advance its nuclear and ballistic missile programs and allocate a significant part of its budget to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and its elite branch, the Quds Force, which is in charge of clandestine and extraterritorial military operations.

Secondly, projecting an obsessive hostility toward Israel paves the way for the Iranian leaders to defend establishing “resistance” groups, such as Hezbollah. In truth, these so-called resistance groups act on behalf of the Iranian regime, advancing its interest in the region, and assist Tehran in interfering in the domestic affairs of Arab nations.

Third, having Israel as an enemy helps the mullahs to repress domestic opposition. One of the charges commonly used to silence dissidents and opponents is being a “Zionist spy.” The penalty can range from long imprisonment to death.

Finally, the Islamic Republic is a revolutionary regime that sits on the bedrock of its extremist founders’ ideology. One of the core revolutionary principals of Khomeini and his gilded circle was anchored in anti-Semitism. The execution in May 1979 of Habib Elghanian, the head of the Jewish community, a businessman, and a philanthropist — after a 20-minute trial on trumped-up charges — was the regime’s first robust anti-Semitic message to Jewish communities and the rest of the world.

Threats to annihilate Israel, Holocaust denial by senior officials such as former president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and hosting anti-Semitic events such the annual Holocaust Cartoon Competition are common practices within the clerical establishment, and are further examples of the regime’s anti-Semitic stance.

The mullahs’ obsession with Israel has nothing to do with defending and advancing the cause of the oppressed Palestinian people. It is for strategic and ideological reasons; to export the ruling clerics’ extremist ideology, to dominate and expand its influence in the Levant, to justify its military adventurism, and to more easily suppress domestic opposition and dissent.


  • Dr. Majid Rafizadeh is a Harvard-educated Iranian-American political scientist. He is a leading expert on Iran and US foreign policy, a businessman and president of the International American Council. Twitter: @Dr_Rafizadeh
Disclaimer: Views expressed by writers in this section are their own and do not necessarily reflect Arab News' point-of-view

Seems like its the other way around.
 
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Distortion of.history is the main skill of.Zionist
First Arab r the original Semites the same tribes were previously Jewish who then embraced Christianity and latter Islam
As for theology issues again stupid claim Islam has said Jews and Christian as people of books we all r parts of Abrahamic religions Islam is it final.form and jewdism older every Muslim knows that
But yes we say that with passage.of.time teachings of Christianity and jrwdism was corrupted
But issue here is that majority of Israel r European occupiers making up long thin correlation with original Israelite of that land (WHO them selves became Muslim with time)
And r using the victim card of halucaust to justify there own atrocities against people who had nothing to do with halucaust again a stupid twisted logic
They r crushing Palestinian and saying we were once done the same by Nazis so we r doing the same to Palestinian so to ensure they dont do what's Nazis did To Jews ????
As for examples of violance against Arab Jews this started after arrival and occupation by European Jews which seeded extremism i n locals so they vented out on local Jews which then over exaggerated by European jrews to justify their own atrocities which caused the reaction from Palestinian I .First place
Most Arab tribes didn't convert neither to Judaism nor to Christianity only some tribes.. remember that the prophet had fought Arab pagans who used to pray to statues in the Kaaba.. see the prophet destruction of the statues as first move to convert these Arabs of Jahiliya to Islam.. invitations to Islam were extended to Jews and Christians alike.. but not in the same way as they were sent to other Pagans, who either had fire or statues or the moon or else as gods..because they were monotheistic religions ..
 
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Most Arab tribes didn't convert neither to Judaism nor to Christianity only some tribes.. remember that the prophet had fought Arab pagans who used to pray to statues in the Kaaba.. see the prophet destruction of the statues as first move to convert these Arabs of Jahiliya to Islam.. invitations to Islam were extended to Jews and Christians alike.. but not in the same way as they were sent to other Pagans, who either had fire or statues or the moon or else as gods..because they were monotheistic religions ..

your post doesn't make much sense , it was the chrisitian arabs converting to islam not the other way . you want to see christian arabs try canada
 
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your post doesn't make much sense , it was the chrisitian arabs converting to islam not the other way . you want to see christian arabs try canada
Sorry guy but you don't seem to know much about Jahiliya times..So you already make no sense talking about it..
And try to stay on topic.. it is quite a complicated matter..
 
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LOL. Iran supports depopulation of 700,000 Muslims in Karabakh and Iran is directly responsible for biggest depopulation of Muslims in history - over 10 million Muslims in Syria.

In same time they cry about Palestine where Muslim population is rapidly growing.



Another fake lie. Here the truth:

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I wondered when someone was going to post a zionist map LOL!,you jokers just cant help yourselves can you?
I mean seriously,is this the actual map thats in zionists history books that you get taught with in israeli schools?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!
 
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