The Question of "Shia Genocide" in Pakistan.

[PakSword]

You still haven't responded to my post.

Tumhe kya chul he ke Pakistan ke bahar kya ho raha he?

As long as they don't commit terrorism within Pakistan, the hell to what they do outside the country.

The Pakistani state has a responsibility to protect Pakistani civilians that do not engage in militant activities in Pakistan.

These are the ones, when they come back and become brutal on Pakistanis. They bring bad repute with them..

They were Pakistanis who went to Afghanistan and then came back with twisted ideologies..

Pakistanis in their individual capacity shouldn't join any party, anywhere in the world.

 

[sbh02]

These are the ones, when they come back and become brutal on Pakistanis.

Examples?

How many terrorist attacks have they conducted in Pakistan, against Pakistani civilians or security personnel or institutions?

They bring bad repute with them..

What do you mean? How?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

You still haven't responded to my post.

Tumhe kya chul he ke Pakistan ke bahar kya ho raha he?

As long as they don't commit terrorism within Pakistan, hell with what they do outside the country.

The Pakistani state has a responsibility to protect Pakistani civilians that do not engage in militant activities in Pakistan.

He will not..

How's a secterian baboon leagui supporter.

 

[mosu]

 

[saiyan0321]

He will not..

How's a secterian baboon leagui supporter.

This eerily reminds me of the pathetic excuses people gave in 2009 about TTP.

Ohh they have to attack what else can they do. They can only fight like this vcz they don't have army or equipment.

Ohh we sent US to their homes so they are angry and defending themselves. We have to bear the brunt now and suffer.

Ohh we are with kafirs so they are wrong but misguided and angry due to our actions...

Reminds of that pig moulvi burka in Islamabad.

Yep same excuses to justify the heinousness of the enemy just bcz one deep down holds sympathy or supports their actions.

 

[PakSword]

When a person plays in the hand of other countries f

Examples?

How many terrorist attacks have they conducted in Pakistan, against Pakistani civilians or security personnel or institutions?



What do you mean? How?

Arey bhayya, I was giving a general example.. ke aisay hi log hotay hain, jo wapis aatay hain tou khatarnaak hojatay hain.. Afghan war main bhi aisa hi hua.. OBL KSA ki naak ka baal ban gaya tha.. aur hamaray walay aaj tak hamari naak ke baal banay huay hain..

Iss liey behtar hai, ke iss kaam ko abhi se roka jaey.. dono taraf se.. Na Lashkar walay Syria ja sakain, aur na koi Shia recruit hosakain kisi aur ki jang main koodnay ke liey..

 

[HAIDER]

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kyun ka hama Rasool na mazloom ki jaan lana ka darss nahi dia....

 

[PakSword]

I am telling you guys, if we don't stop this foreign recruitment, Pakistan will be the next battle ground for the foreign forces to fight their war..

Stop both sides from going to Syria.. Kill anyone who comes back, or who is caught going to Syria.. Pakistan ke door sab ke liey band hojanay chahien..

Inn sab foreign recruits ko maloom hona chahiey, ke Pakistan wapsi ka koi option nahi hai.. Agar wapis jana hai tou apnay apnay countries main jaein aur nationality le kar dikhaein..

 

[HAIDER]

I am telling you guys, if we don't stop this foreign recruitment, Pakistan will be the next battle ground for the foreign forces to fight their war..

Stop both sides from going to Syria.. Kill anyone who comes back, or who is caught going to Syria.. Pakistan ke door sab ke liey band hojanay chahien..

Inn sab foreign recruits ko maloom hona chahiey, ke Pakistan wapsi ka koi option nahi hai.. Agar wapis jana hai tou apnay apnay countries main jaein aur nationality le kar dikhaein..

Poverty and exploitation . Do you know during second afghan war, Taliban hire Pakistani for 3000 rupee per day to fight against allies. Who poured this money to fight against allies.
Poverty need to abolished and tear down this ummah slogan from the heart and mind of Pakistanis. This ummah has destroyed Pakistan. Rest of all muslim countries doesn t even give visa to Pakistani.

 

[sbh02]

When a person plays in the hand of other countries f


Arey bhayya, I was giving a general example.. ke aisay hi log hotay hain, jo wapis aatay hain tou khatarnaak hojatay hain.. Afghan war main bhi aisa hi hua.. OBL KSA ki naak ka baal ban gaya tha.. aur hamaray walay aaj tak hamari naak ke baal banay huay hain..

Iss liey behtar hai, ke iss kaam ko abhi se roka jaey.. dono taraf se.. Na Lashkar walay Syria ja sakain, aur na koi Shia recruit hosakain kisi aur ki jang main koodnay ke liey..

Arre bhai, mein zyada lambi guftugu nahin karna chahta, magar ye Shia jo Shaam ja rahe hein, ye Hazrat Zainab (Rasool (S) ki nawasi) ke mazaar ke tahufuz ke liye ja rahe hein; jis per hamla ho raha he.

Agar Masjid-Nabvi ya Kabah pe hamla ho, to saare Musalman uth kar uske tahafuz ke liye jainge, unko hukoomat se ijazat lene ki zaroorat nahin. Kya hamein un Musalamanon ki bhi muzamat karni chahye jo Allah ke ghar, ya Allah ke Rasool (S) ke ghar ki tahafuz karein? Nahin.

Aap mujhe batao, dobara pooch raha hoon, kitna Shia logon ne dehshatgard hamle kiye hein Pakistan mein, chahe wo Shaam ya Iraq se hi waapas kyun na aain hon? Aaapko kya faraq parhta he ke wo Shaam mein kya kar rahe hein, agar wo Pakistan mein theek hein, to phir kya masla he?

 

[PakSword]

Arre bhai, mein zyada lambi guftugu nahin karna chahta, magar ye Shia jo Shaam ja rahe hein, ye Hazrat Zainab (Rasool (S) ki nawasi) ke mazaar ke tahufuz ke liye ja rahe hein; jis per hamla ho raha he.

Agar Masjid-Nabvi ya Kabah pe hamla ho, to saare Musalman uth kar uske tahafuz ke liye jainge, unko hukoomat se ijazat lene ki zaroorat nahin. Kya hamein un Musalamanon ki bhi muzamat karni chahye jo Allah ke ghar, ya Allah ke Rasool (S) ke ghar ki tahafuz karein? Nahin.

Aap mujhe batao, dobara pooch raha hoon, kitna Shia logon ne dehshatgard hamle kiye hein Pakistan mein, chahe wo Shaam ya Iraq se hi waapas kyun na aain hon? Aaapko kya faraq parhta he ke wo Shaam mein kya kar rahe hein, agar wo Pakistan mein theek hein, to phir kya masla he?

80s aur 90s main baqi log bhi yehi kehtay thay..

Let the Syrian war stop and you will know the result..

Harmain ke ilawa, jahan bhi jana hai wahan Government ki ijazat se jana hai.. that's it... Iran is fighting in Syria with the help of Russia, that should be enough to save any sacred site.. There is no need for these foreign powers to recruit anyone from Pakistan.

Shia India main bhi tou rehtay hain.. wahan se koi kyun nahi jata? Har country ko recruitment ke liey Pakistani hi kyun nazar aatay hain?

 

[Kambojaric]

As far as I understand it, what constitutes "genocide" is not understood by numbers but by intent. For example the Srebrenica massacre resulted in the deaths of 7000-8000 Muslims but was constituted as a "genocide" by the ICJ because the Serbs committed the massacre with the clear intent of eradicating Muslims from that specific region of Bosnia-Herzegovina. Meanwhile a similar or slight less number of Muslim civilians were killed in Sarajevo during the Serb bombing of the city, but that did not constitute a "genocide" because it was part of an armed conflict, wherein Serbs were trying to conquer the city but Bosnian government (Muslim predominantly) were resisting them, and the civilians died as a consequence of this fighting.

Coming to Pakistan, we are engaged in a "war against terrorism". The killings of Shia's although a very real issue whose importance should not be undermined, does not constitute a "genocide" because Shia's still enjoy a certain level of protection from the state. Genocides happen where a party is completely reliant upon another for its protection, and the latter uses this leverage to eradicate the former. Although groups like Laskhar e Jhanvi at times embarrassingly act with impunity, the Pakistani armed forces, police forces still on the whole protect Shia's albeit with a lot of failures as can be seen from the number of attacks on Shia's in the OP. Nevertheless it is the presence of the Pakistani state which prevents groups like the LeJ from walking in and killing and/or pushing out most or all of Shia's from specific regions of Pakistan. A "genocide" in my opinion would happen where LeJ hypothetically speaking conquers Quetta where upon the Shia populace of that city is totally reliant on the LeJ for their protection. If the LeJ subsequently uses this leverage to kill Shia's in an organized campaign, that is a genocide.

 

[sbh02]

80s aur 90s main baqi log bhi yehi kehtay thay..

Let the Syrian war stop and you will know the result..

Harmain ke ilawa, jahan bhi jana hai wahan Government ki ijazat se jana hai.. that's it... Iran is fighting in Syria with the help of Russia, that should be enough to save any sacred site.. There is no need for these foreign powers to recruit anyone from Pakistan.

Shia India main bhi tou rehtay hain.. wahan se koi kyun nahi jata? Har country ko recruitment ke liey Pakistani hi kyun nazar aatay hain?

India se bhi gae hein Shia. Har jagah se gaye hein.

Anyways, what does your post have anything to do with Pakistan or Parachinar?

Are you saying the state will refuse to provide protection to Pakistani citizens (who haven't engaged in any terrorist activities) from terrorists?

Just to play devil's advocate here, Pakistan's stated policy is that it will not act against the Afghan Taliban in Pakistan, as they haven't engaged in terrorist activities in Pakistan. Even though they are a militant group, but they have been provided protection by the Pakistani state.

The Parachinaris have not been part of any terrorist/militant organization inside Syria; yet the state fails to provide them protection. Why?

The Parachinaris might not have gotten permission from the Pakistani state to go to Syria, but they have been invited by the Syrian regime. And they haven't been conducting any terrorist attacks inside Pakistan either, and have supported the Pakistan Army against ISIS, al-Qaeda and ISIS.

So the state can provide refuge and security to the Afghan Taliban, a militant organization; but not to innocent Parachinaris.

 

[Cthulhu]

And it's a shame that Khomeini's Loyalists do not talk about how many Sunnis have been killed so far in Iran by the state.

Khomeini fatwa 'led to killing of 30,000 in Iran'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ni-fatwa-led-to-killing-of-30000-in-Iran.html

I don't want to take part in this discussion, But i want to say what you've posted here is a lie Mr.liar. The link you've posted is about 1988 executions of "People's Mujahedin of Iran" terrorist group members after they sided with Saddam Hussein and attacked their own country during Iran-Iraq war. People's Mujahedin of Iran is a Marxist-Islamist political–militant organization and their religion is Shia Islam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Mujahedin_of_Iran
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_executions_of_Iranian_political_prisoners

So your "30,000 Sunnis killed by Khomeini" is a lie and pure bullshit, Also if you want to blame others for your own shit at least you should get your facts right.

 

[PakSword]

India se bhi gae hein Shia. Har jagah se gaye hein.

Anyways, what does your post have anything to do with Pakistan or Parachinar?

Are you saying the state will refuse to provide protection to Pakistani citizens (who haven't engaged in any terrorist activities) from terrorists?

Just to play devil's advocate here, Pakistan's stated policy is that it will not act against the Afghan Taliban in Pakistan, as they haven't engaged in terrorist activities in Pakistan. Even though they are a militant group, but they have been provided protection by the Pakistani state.

The Parachinaris have not been part of any terrorist/militant organization inside Syria; yet the state fails to provide them protection. Why?

The Parachinaris might not have gotten permission from the Pakistani state to go to Syria, but they have been invited by the Syrian regime. And they haven't been conducting any terrorist attacks inside Pakistan either, and have supported the Pakistan Army against ISIS, al-Qaeda and ISIS.

So the state can provide refuge and security to the Afghan Taliban, a militant organization; but not to innocent Parachinaris.

State policy should prevail.. period..

If it is Pakistan's policy to support Irani influence in Syria, support it.. If it says no.. don't support it..

And don't try to put your words in my mouth.. I have never said that state doesn't have any responsibility to protect anyone... What I am saying is that state should not allow the ones who enter in Pakistan after fighting foreign wars.. whether the are coming back from Afghanistan, or Syria, or Yemen. Do I need to elaborate further?

Parachinaris are my Pakistani brothers.. I felt pain when I saw them weeping for their loved ones.. But I hate those people who are coming back from any country after fighting others' wars... They should be sent back to the respective countries, for which they have fought.. There shouldn't be any place for them in Pakistan..

Same principle applies to ex-Pakistanis coming back to Pakistan from Afghanistan.. Put them in Jail for long long time if no other country is ready to take them as its citizen..