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The Putin Interviews with Oliver Stone

Oliver Stone Talks to ‘The Nation’ About His New Documentary ‘The Putin Interviews’
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From all my work on this documentary, I can tell you from the bottom of my heart, from my drama instinct, is the Russians are tough people and they’re not going to back down. Their history in World War II is unbelievably resilient—they were overwhelmed by the Nazis, best war machine of all time. They took enormous casualties but they built themselves up and fought back—they actually turned the whole war at Stalingrad… But they fought, then they continued into Eastern Europe, which is unbelievable. They suffered enormous military and civilian casualties—some estimate 27 million… Russia won World War II—and they never got the rewards of it. The Cold War began right away with Churchill and Truman…
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https://www.thenation.com/article/o...out-his-new-documentary-the-putin-interviews/
Uhm, I think that is a bit of an overstatement, mr Stone, esp. on the rewards/recognition side of it.

Most Americans and the world are misled that the US had liberated Asia by the Atomic bombs. Even you are clueless about Soviet Union slaughtering the Japanese forces after Nazi Germany surrendered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet–Japanese_War_(1945)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchurian_Strategic_Offensive_Operation

WATCH AND LEARN

Also clueless Yankees don't know that Chinese forces were responsible for destroying up to 40% of Japanese troops. Americans are so full of themselves for their contribution in WW2 whereas Chinese, Russians suffered the most casualities but never surrendered and fought all the way until Nazi Germany was defeated and the Japs surrendered.
BS.

At the Yalta Conference (February 1945), amongst other things, Stalin secured from Roosevelt the promise of Stalin's Far Eastern territorial desires, in return agreeing to enter the Pacific war within two or three months of the defeat of Germany. By the middle of March 1945, things were not going well in the Pacific for the Japanese, and they withdrew their elite troops from Manchuria to support actions in the Pacific. Meanwhile, the Soviets continued their Far Eastern buildup.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet–Japanese_War_(1945)

The Second Sino-Japanese War was the largest Asian war in the 20th century. It accounted for the majority of civilian and military casualties in the Pacific War, with between 10 and 25 million Chinese civilians and over 4 million Chinese and Japanese military personnel dying from war-related violence, famine, and other causes.
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The casualties from this war in 1937–1945 were more that half of total casualties of the Pacific War.
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The Japanese recorded around 1.1 to 1.9 million military casualties during all of World War II (which include killed, wounded and missing). The official death-toll of Japanese men killed in China, according to the Japan Defense Ministry, is 480,000. Based on the investigation of Japanese Yomiuri Shimbun, the military death toll of Japan in China is about 700,000 since 1937 (excluding the death in Manchuria).
Another source from Hilary Conroy claim that a total of 447,000 Japanese soldiers died in China during the Second Sino-Japanese War. Of the 1,130,000 Imperial Japanese Army soldiers who died during World War II, 39 percent died in China
Then in "War Without Mercy", John Dower claim that a total of 396,000 Japanese soldiers died in China during the Second Sino-Japanese War. Of this number, the Imperial Japanese Army lost 388,605 soldiers and the Imperial Japanese Navy lost 8,000 soldiers. Another 54,000 soldiers also died after the war had ended, mostly from illness and starvation. Of the 1,740,955 Japanese soldiers who died during World War II, 22 percent died in China.
Japanese statistics, however, lack complete estimates for the wounded. From 1937 to 1941, 185,647 Japanese soldiers were killed in China and 520,000 were wounded. Disease also incurred critical losses on Japanese forces. From 1937 to 1941, 430,000 Japanese soldiers were recorded as being sick. In North China alone, 18,000 soldiers were evacuated back to Japan for illnesses in 1938, 23,000 in 1939, and 15,000 in 1940. From 1941 to 1945: 202,958 dead; another 54,000 dead after war's end. Chinese forces also report that by May 1945, 22,293 Japanese soldiers were captured as prisoners. Many more Japanese soldiers surrendered when the war ended.
Contemporary studies from the Beijing Central Compilation and Translation Press have revealed that the Japanese suffered a total of 2,227,200 casualties, including 1,055,000 dead and 1,172,341 injured. This Chinese publication analyses statistics provided by Japanese publications and claimed these numbers were largely based on Japanese publications.

  • Chinese sources list the total number of military and non-military casualties, both dead and wounded, at 35 million. Most Western historians believed that the total number of casualties was at least 20 million.
  • The official PRC statistics for China's civilian and military casualties in the Second Sino-Japanese War from 1937 to 1945 are 20 million dead and 15 million wounded. The figures for total military casualties, killed and wounded are: NRA 3.2 million; Communist 500,000.
  • The official account of the war published in Taiwan reported that the Nationalist Chinese Army lost 3,238,000 men (1,797,000 wounded, 1,320,000 killed, and 120,000 missing) and 5,787,352 civilians casualties putting the total number of casualties at 9,025,352. The Nationalists fought in 22 major engagements, most of which involved more than 100,000 troops on both sides, 1,171 minor engagements most of which involved more than 50,000 troops on both sides, and 38,931 skirmishes.
  • An academic study published in the United States estimates military casualties: 1.5 million killed in battle, 750,000 missing in action, 1.5 million deaths due to disease and 3 million wounded; civilian casualties: due to military activity, killed 1,073,496 and 237,319 wounded; 335,934 killed and 426,249 wounded in Japanese air attacks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War#Casualties_assessment

Public knowledge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mutanchiang
12–16 August 1945

Strengths
CCCP
~290,000 soldiers
1,102 tanks and SP guns
4,790 artillery pieces

IMperial Japan
55,000–60,000 soldiers

Casualties
CCCP
Manpower 7,000–10,000+ casualties
Materiel 300–600 tanks destroyed
ImpJap.
Manpower 25,000 total casualties including 9,391 killed
Materiel 104 artillery pieces
 
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I watched the video. Considering it was probably made by the Russians is was actually pretty accurate (unbelievably they actually acknowledged using US made Sherman Tanks :-). Oh wait I thought according to PDF experts they built all their own stuff...um sorry no..the video just proved it). However even in the video the Russians admit they continued fighting AFTER the surrender just for a land grab saying they were promised land (BTW promised by a bunch of non-asians who could care less...so I guess that makes it legit o_O) and wanted to make sure they got it. The Russians were stymied in Sakhalin and only after the surrender did they advance.

No, the Japs kept on fighting despite the Japanese general said he surrendered. The Video clearly stated that around 27:00 - 28:00 . At 35:26 the documentary revealed that Stalin was promised Kuril and South Sakhalin but Truman wanted to prevent that thus Stalin showed the allies fait accompli by continue the battle on those islands. The documentary proved you were wrong when you said the Russians didn't fight the Japs. Japs didn't surrender immediately right after the 2nd Atomic bomb but when news reached Japan that the Soviets killed a large number of Japanese troops they decided to surrender unconditionally.
 
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No, the Japs kept on fighting despite the Japanese general said he surrendered. The Video clearly stated that around 27:00 - 28:00 . At 35:26 the documentary revealed that Stalin was promised Kuril and South Sakhalin but Truman wanted to prevent that thus Stalin showed the allies fait accompli by continue the battle on those islands. The documentary proved you were wrong when you said the Russians didn't fight the Japs. Japs didn't surrender immediately right after the 2nd Atomic bomb but when news reached Japan that the Soviets killed a large number of Japanese troops they decided to surrender unconditionally.

I said their 6 day involvement in fighting the Japanese before their August 15th surrender was negligible when viewed in the entire context of the Pacific War. Considering the invasion of Manchuria was in July of 1937 and the war ended in August of 1945...spending a whole 6 days and losing a few thousand men (while the Chinese army lost crazy multiples of that) and then saying you won the war is ridiculous.

Spending an extra 18 days and another few dead thousand men in Manchukuo (this isn't even in Russian territory) after the surrender does not make them win the war either. Those islands near Sakhalin had disputed ownership even before the war and the Russians made sure they got it in a land grab.

At 35:26 the documentary revealed that Stalin was promised Kuril and South Sakhalin but Truman wanted to prevent that thus Stalin showed the allies fait accompli by continue the battle on those islands.
LOL!! I'm glad you recognize the authority of a bunch Russian/American/European white men to dictate your borders. I give you a nice salute! :enjoy: You would have done a fine job in 1842 at the Treaty of Nanking signings.
 
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I said their 6 day involvement in fighting the Japanese before their August 15th surrender was negligible when viewed in the entire context of the Pacific War. Considering the invasion of Manchuria was in July of 1937 and the war ended in August of 1945...spending a whole 6 days and losing a few thousand men (while the Chinese army lost crazy multiples of that) and then saying you won the war is ridiculous.

Spending an extra 18 days and another few dead thousand men doing some land grab after the surrender does not make them win the war either.

This is what Stone said: "Russia won the war" , what is wrong with that? You are the one who argued they didn't fight the Japs lol. Well the documentary proved they did at the final phase in Asia despite the short time span. If one ask who won WW2? The answer is the Allied forces which includes Russia. The Soviets lost millions of lives and liberated Europe. In Asia China and US won against the Japs. Yes the more precise answer should be the Allied forces won the war, i guess in your opinion it's wrong to say Russia won the war, or China won the war or even USA won the war. :lol:
 
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Should be interesting even if the segments have been described as an advocacy project toward President Putin and even if Stone is known for being somewhat 'anti-American' and leftist in terms of political political views, and as having unique opinions on controversial world leaders such as Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin and Hugo Chávez. (None of which is necessarily a bad thing, by the way, just something to keep in mind)

Yeah I watched most of the series. It was pretty good. Even though I'm not a huge Oliver Stone fan, it still was very enjoyable to see Putin open up the way he did. I came away with newfound respect for the guy. I knew about a lot of his accomplishments but there were a few things that pleasantly surprised me. His comment about not losing control because he's not a woman, I thought was lame, though, and he had to backtrack a little on that one. Aside from that, I was impressed at how candid he was about the tough time Russia went through and particularly about all the breakaways from the federation. His explanation of Russia's role in Syria was quite something. One of the best parts was how he spoke with great respect and admiration for Russian Muslims. The part where they showed him speaking at some conference with many leaders and he was strongly criticizing the US for being a worldwide bully in all aspects, including culturally, then they showed McCain in the front row snarl and smile like what a joke was excellent!

I was waiting for some other Russian with a pair large enough to check him into the boards when he was being an exhibitionist while playing hockey loool. Driving the Benz through Moscow was also pretty cool.
 
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Oliver Stone Talks to ‘The Nation’ About His New Documentary ‘The Putin Interviews’
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From all my work on this documentary, I can tell you from the bottom of my heart, from my drama instinct, is the Russians are tough people and they’re not going to back down. Their history in World War II is unbelievably resilient—they were overwhelmed by the Nazis, best war machine of all time. They took enormous casualties but they built themselves up and fought back—they actually turned the whole war at Stalingrad… But they fought, then they continued into Eastern Europe, which is unbelievable. They suffered enormous military and civilian casualties—some estimate 27 million… Russia won World War II—and they never got the rewards of it. The Cold War began right away with Churchill and Truman…
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https://www.thenation.com/article/o...out-his-new-documentary-the-putin-interviews/

The Russians have for most part been in my good books. I have a borderline hatred for the actions of Churchill(when I say borderline the only reason I have is to maintain clarity of mind else "I hate that prick" is more appropriate) Putin so far in my opinion has made wise foreign policy decisions.
 
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What? It has nothing to do with infrastructure. I just don't have an unlimited data plan.
Since you don't have a cell phone and don't know what a data plan limit is you can read up on it here on this Polish site:
https://mobirank.pl/jaki-wybrac-internet-mobilny-na-karte/

I have a cell phone with unlimited data plan that’s why I was surprised that you have data plan limit.



"Cyber warfare is very complex" ?? Sometimes you don’t need to use cyber warfare at all. You show fake proof of “weapons of mass destruction in Iraq” like US apparatchik Colin Powel did:
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CIA trolls from fake news media outlets like CNN and Fox News repeat your lies about “weapons of mass destruction”. US useful idiots and other birdbrains believe it this US propaganda, and you can invade Iraq to prevent it from selling its oil in euros. Sometimes it's simple.
 
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[QUOTE="Piotr, post: 9580101, member: 177181"
CIA trolls from fake news media outlets like CNN and Fox News [/QUOTE]
Unlike FSB trolls from stateowned agitprop machines RT and Sputnik, you mean?
(i.e. you can fill in any intelligence service and clearly partisan media of the same country here)
 
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Unlike FSB trolls from stateowned agitprop machines RT and Sputnik, you mean?
(i.e. you can fill in any intelligence service and clearly partisan media of the same country here)

I don't think RT and Sputnik are agitprop machines. I don't fully trust RT or Sputnik (there is no media I fully trust), but I consider RT and Sputnik much more credible than CNN and Fox News. I always prefere to crosscheck informations from different sources like RT, Global Times and Press TV.


No you don't. Otherwise you would have known that not having an unlimited data plan has nothing to do with failing infrastructure (WTF?? What wacky logic is that?).

US crumbling infrastructure is one of the reasons why some people in USA can't afford a cell phone with unlimited data plan. US crumbling infrastructure affects the economy.
 
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I don't think RT and Sputnik are agitprop machines. I don't fully trust RT or Sputnik (there is no media I fully trust), but I consider RT and Sputnik much more credible than CNN and Fox News. I always prefere to crosscheck informations from different sources like RT, Global Times and Press TV.
Crosschecking is a good thing.
 
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