The President Who Wants to Break Up His Own Country (Bosnia)

[Deliorman]

@rajvoSa @Beno

Come on guys, come here and let’s give some flair to the discussion.

 

[DejanSRB]

@rajvoSa @Beno

Come on guys, come here and let’s give some flair to the discussion.

Since you have Mustafa Kemal words in your signature, you should ask them about Alija Izetbegovic (first Bosniak president), and his relations to Kemalist ideology, modern Turkey, and secular turkish republic. Maybe it will change something in "Turkish-Bosnian" brotherhood.

Or maybe explore by yourself, what Bosnyak president wish for Turks.

 

[Deliorman]

Since you have Mustafa Kemal words in your signature, you should ask them about Alija Izetbegovic (first Bosniak president), and his relations to Kemalist ideology, modern Turkey, and secular turkish republic. Maybe it will change something in "Turkish-Bosnian" brotherhood.

Or maybe explore by yourself, what Bosnyak president wish for Turks.

Okay, tell me. It sounds like something interesting yet I don’t believe that it will change my love for Bosniaks even a little.

 

[DejanSRB]

Okay, tell me. It sounds like something interesting yet I don’t believe that it will change my love for Bosniaks even a little.

"Turkey as an Islamic country ruled the world. Turkey as a European plagiarism under Ataturk (and after him) represents the third world country like many other countries in the world " A. Izetbegovic , 1970.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Declaration
Writen in 1970.

It would be stupid if you change your mind about Bosniaks, it is only nation in the Europe that support and love Turkey.

 

[xenon54 out]

"Turkey as an Islamic country ruled the world. Turkey as a European plagiarism under Ataturk (and after him) represents the third world country like many other countries in the world " A. Izetbegovic , 1970.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Declaration
Writen in 1970.

It would be stupid if you change your mind about Bosniaks, it is only nation in the Europe that support and love Turkey.

Those words wont change any Turk's felling towards Bosnia, i grew up with pretty much every nationality of Balkans and oddly enough my best balkanese friends were either Bosniak or Serbian.

Izzetbegovich can have his opinion, maybe he was nostalgic about Ottoman times like some Turks but the truth is Bosnians themselves wont want to live in a sharia controlled country as he wished.
This is the exact reason why Saudis couldnt turn Bosnia to another Afghanistan/Pakistan despite the money they poured in the region during and after the war.
Bosnia like Albania and Kosovo are in Turkish sphere of influence and naturally follow the same islamic school since centuries which is fundamentally different from more radical islam thats prevalent in Arabian peninsula.


The following graph clearly shows the difference between Turkish sphere of unfluence and Arabic sphere of influence.

 

[Damir877]

Nothing really new here.They have been trying to take BiH or part of it and attach it to Serbia long before Dodik and will continue to do so long after he is gone.Meanwhile Bosniak politicians are wholeheartedly helping them by ruining what's left off the country and being too busy figuring out who can steal more money from the people,instead of taking a lesson from Croats,Albanians or even Montenegrins,about how a separatists threatening a state are dealt with....

 

[Clutch]

Bosnians themselves wont want to live in a sharia controlled country as he wished.

The Pew research itself is flawed. Shariah means law. So the title is "law where "law" is favoured..."... Makes no sense.

Lol.

Shariah is not a concrete set of rules. If you gathered all the writings over times it would be over 10,000 pages long. It is the version or interpretation that is debatable.

Shariah is abused by many including Muslims and non-muslims. But the Crusaders and Islamaphobes have convinced the Muslims themselves in the version of "Shariah" they want to instill.

Mention the word Shariah .. it send shivers down the spines of many... Lol.

It is what is... I guess.

 

[Nein]

Bro, Yugoslavia was piece of shit not a powerful country. You just copy soviet experience of yours into Yugoslavian reality.

There was no single world renowed scientists.
Artists was a western copycats.
Military technology was way behind Bulgarians, they achieved mig 29, five years before Yugoslavia.

Everything was one big downgrade when we compare its to Serbian history in early middle ages or 19th. century.

Serbia is too precious to be wasted with other fake entities like Bosnia or genocidal states like Croatia. We dont have nothing in common with them, we build first europanized country in the Balkans, our parliaments is oldest in this part of globe and we never had a slaves. Something our "yugoslavian brothers" can only dream about.

No, thanks, but no.

Serbia= Useless

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Let's face the reality, Serbians are getting nervous because the demographic make up is slowly but steadily changing in favour of Bosniaks. For the first time after decades, some places even in the Serbian entity are showing a Muslim majority while Croatians are leaving Bosnia and Herzegovina in high numbers. Why? Because Croatia - EU member - is granting them citizenship. Bosnian Croats are immigrating to Western Europe making BiH effectively a Bosniak-Serbian state.
It's important to know that Serbians from Bosnia are the worst Serbians of the entire Balkan peninsula. Serbians from Serbia are angels compared to Bosnian Orthodox.

 

[xenon54 out]

The Pew research itself is flawed. Shariah means law. So the title is "law where "law" is favoured..."... Makes no sense.

Read again its about states with official religion and without.

Shariah is not a concrete set of rules. If you gathered all the writings over times it would be over 10,000 pages long. It is the version or interpretation that is debatable.

Maybe thats why people prefer modern law, why use an ancient law that nobody really knows how to implement, where every country has different rules and thats so complicated and unfair in many cases.

Shariah is abused by many including Muslims and non-muslims. But the Crusaders and Islamaphobes have convinced the Muslims themselves in the version of "Shariah" they want to instill.

This makes no sense tbh, if its wa that easy to break then the system was flawed to begin with apparently.

Mention the word Shariah .. it send shivers down the spines of many... Lol.

The problem is the exsamples of sharia controlled countries, nobody who ever lived in a state of law would prefer Sharia over it.


Thats my take on the subject.

 

[Clutch]

Read again its about states with official religion and without.


Maybe thats why people prefer modern law, why use an ancient law that nobody really knows how to implement, where every country has different rules and thats so complicated and unfair in many cases.



This makes no sense tbh, if its wa that easy to break then the system was flawed to begin with apparently.


The problem is the exsamples of sharia controlled countries, nobody who ever lived in a state of law would prefer Sharia over it.


Thats my take on the subject.

Shariah is not static nor was ever meant to be. It's can be as progressive as you want or regressive. It depends on its interpretation. Unfortunately, it has been interpreted in recent times as repressive.

However, islamaphobes have used the boogie of Shariah to turn Muslims into self hating fools. No nation ever becomes great unless it embrasses it's past, present, and future. Even in the West who has moved on since their dark ages of regressive religious laws to modern law respects and embrasses their past. The Secular West stil honors it's Christian roots and culture. Yet they want us to be embarrassed of our past and wantwus to monkey them without ever becoming great ourselves. No nation of monkeys every becomes great.

I guess it is what it is. Even the current modern world is falling apart with moronic leaders from Trump to all those around the world. We live a pathetic 60 to 70 years and turn into forgotten worm food. I rather live those years proud instead of trying to be a monkey.

 

[Nilgiri]

Those words wont change any Turk's felling towards Bosnia, i grew up with pretty much every nationality of Balkans and oddly enough my best balkanese friends were either Bosniak or Serbian.

Izzetbegovich can have his opinion, maybe he was nostalgic about Ottoman times like some Turks but the truth is Bosnians themselves wont want to live in a sharia controlled country as he wished.
This is the exact reason why Saudis couldnt turn Bosnia to another Afghanistan/Pakistan despite the money they poured in the region during and after the war.
Bosnia like Albania and Kosovo are in Turkish sphere of influence and naturally follow the same islamic school since centuries which is fundamentally different from more radical islam thats prevalent in Arabian peninsula.


The following graph clearly shows the difference between Turkish sphere of unfluence and Arabic sphere of influence.

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All the more sad why Yugoslavia broke up like it did. @OsmanAli98

Also same thing one actually looks at the actual "ethnic argument" at DNA level etc.

 

[nahtanbob]

Bosnia & Herzegovina is already teetering in its position; it is one of the tiniest states in the world. What the hell does this Dodik dude want?

3 smaller states

I understand your feelings 100%. But Yugoslavia was a big and strong country. She lived peacefully. Devided Balkans - a short way to war.

Yugoslavia big and strong ??

the wehrmacht rolled over in a few weeks

 

[vostok]

Yugoslavia big and strong ??

the wehrmacht rolled over in a few weeks

So as in France. But Yugoslavian partisans were real combat force, while in France it was some decorative resistance. It was big and strong not comparing with USA or USSR - but comparing with other Balcan countries.

 

[nahtanbob]

So as in France. But Yugoslavian partisans were real combat force, while in France it was some decorative resistance. It was big and strong not comparing with USA or USSR - but comparing with other Balcan countries.

resistance against Nazis is not the only criteria for strength
Yugoslavia a big zero in just about anything