The Politics of Boozing

[Thunder]

There are other things that we can do to support free will or to support musharaf.
Pakistan is an ideological islamic state.And the purpose was to implement islamic laws.And to make an ideal islamic society not to a pro-western society.

See any Qoute from Quaid-e-Azam or Allama Iqbal...

Exectly, going to the moon or having capable scientists show that we are capable people. Not drinking alchool. Telling the world that pakistan is a free socitey is not be selling alchool in pakistan but by other means. Free society is just a exucse to sell some alchool right now in pakistan.

 

[Thunder]

i am not talking about Hadood ordinance...I am talking about Hadood-ullah

these are the laws made by the Allah and stated in Holy Quraan.Every muslim have to follow the laws whether he like or not

You mean another name for shria law right??

 

[Awesome]

Hudood should be implemented by one, on himself.

I limit myself from doing anything wrong, so should you. I shouldn't have to limit someone.

Freewill encompasses all. We cannot grant freedom here and take it from somewhere else. A wish man once said "Those who are ready to give up a little liberty for security, deserve neither liberty nor security".

And that's what has happened with Pakistan since Zia. Hudood, kept creeping in by the force of the law. Nobody really wanted to be Islamic but were forced to. You only forced Islam for 30 yrs without letting Islam be accepted.

 

[Awesome]

Here are few from Jinnah:

"Will Pakistan be a secular or theocratic state? You are asking me a question that is absurd. I do not know what a theocratic state means." Jinnah's press conference in New Delhi on July 14, 1947, Jinnah -- Speeches and Statements 1947-1949, Oxford University Press, p.15

"But make no mistake: Pakistan is not a theocracy or anything like it..." Jinnah's address to the people of Australia on Feb. 19,1948 -- Ibid, p.118

"In any case, Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic State--to be ruled by priests with a divine mission." Jinnah's address to the people of the United States of America in February 1948, Ibid, p.125

 

[ali ahmad]

Exectly, going to the moon or having capable scientists show that we are capable people. Not drinking alchool. Telling the world that pakistan is a free socitey is not be selling alchool in pakistan but by other means. Free society is just a exucse to sell some alchool right now in pakistan.

That's what i was saying..
there should be free will.there should be a free society but under the islams limitations..and all the limitation which are stated in Holly Quraan are for us.And these limitations are better for us..because our manufacturer or creater knows better that what is good for us and what is not

 

[ali ahmad]

“Come forward as servants of Islam, organise the people economically, socially, educationally and politically and I am sure that you will be a power that will be accepted by everybody.”
Presidential Address at the All India Muslim League, Lahore
March 23, 1940

That's what the father of the nation wants to see us like

 

[ali ahmad]

"Pakistan not only means freedom and independence but the Muslim Ideology which has to be preserved, which has come to us as a precious gift and treasure and which, we hope other will share with us"

Muhammad Ali Jinnah
Message to Frontier Muslim Students Federation
June 18, 1945

 

[Thunder]

"The foundations of your State have been laid and it is now for you to build and build as quickly and as well as you can".

Quaid-E-Azam

Yea, well i really like this quote so i dicided to post it here. It does'nt really have anything to do with what is being said here.

 

[ali ahmad]

Hudood should be implemented by one, on himself.

I limit myself from doing anything wrong, so should you. I shouldn't have to limit someone.

Freewill encompasses all. We cannot grant freedom here and take it from somewhere else. A wish man once said "Those who are ready to give up a little liberty for security, deserve neither liberty nor security".

And that's what has happened with Pakistan since Zia. Hudood, kept creeping in by the force of the law. Nobody really wanted to be Islamic but were forced to. You only forced Islam for 30 yrs without letting Islam be accepted.

I am not saying about the hadood ordinance by Zia...

Hadood is something different...Hadood are the laws stated in Quraan...
will you deny the Laws stated in Quraan.?
or some one can prove that there is little flaw in the laws stated in Quraan..?

 

[Thunder]

I am not saying about the hadood ordinance by Zia...

Hadood is something different...Hadood are the laws stated in Quraan...
will you deny the Laws stated in Quraan.?
or some one can prove that there is little flaw in the laws stated in Quraan..?

No, i don't think he meant that Quran is wrong. I think he meant something else. Quran has been scientifcally proven to be correct.

 

[ali ahmad]

"They ask you (O Muhammad) concerning alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: "In them is a great sin, and (some) benefit for men, but the sin of them is greater than their benefit." And they ask you what they ought to spend. Say: "That which is beyond your needs." Thus Allâh makes clear to you His Laws in order that you may give thought." [7] Quran 2:219

 

[Srirangan]

Let us be realistic here. Ban or not, drinks will flow. It always has, it always will. I'd rather worry about the narcotics trade in the region and be happy making money of Liquor Duties.

You know.. live in the real world!