The plea of minorities in pakistan

[Spring Onion]

@ saint N sinner: you haven't provided the link of the article you posted here... please do the same.


When you talk about the plea of minorities, there are a couple of issues at hand, most important of which is state-sponsored/backed discrimination. Yes, it is there with especially with article 260 (clause 3) of the Consitution which states: Declare those persons as non-Muslims who do not believe in the absolute and unqualified finality of Prophethood of Muhammad (peace be upon Him) or claims to be a Prophet in any sense of the word or of any description whatsoever, after Muhammad (PBUH) or recognizes such a claimant as a Prophet or a Religious Reformer. The Qadianis of the two groups are interalia covered by this definition and they were thus declared non-Muslims.
The major fault is that all the discriminations in the Consitution come when the state considers itself the custodian of a religious identity. Who is the state to judge who is a Muslim and who isn't? whose kalma is right and whose isn't? The state should not meddle in any person's right to believe what they want to believe in. What needs to be done is that the "islamic" needs to be dropped from Pakistan and secularism promoted... but that is not everyone's cup of tea.

That is not discrimination but thats a clear statment and thats what Islam says. for being a Muslim you have to acccept that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is the last Prophet of Allah and there is non to come after him.

Do you blieve those who do not believe in the absolute and unqualified finality of Prophethood of Muhammad (peace be upon Him) or claims to be a Prophet in any sense of the word or of any description whatsoever, after Muhammad (PBUH) or recognizes such a claimant as a Prophet or a Religious Reformer, Are Muslims?


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[Elmo]

That is not discrimination but thats a clear statment and thats what Islam says. for being a Muslim you have to acccept that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is the last Prophet of Allah and there is non to come after him.

Do you blieve those who do not believe in the absolute and unqualified finality of Prophethood of Muhammad (peace be upon Him) or claims to be a Prophet in any sense of the word or of any description whatsoever, after Muhammad (PBUH) or recognizes such a claimant as a Prophet or a Religious Reformer, Are Muslims?


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Quite honestly Jana... it's none of my business what anyone believes in!... I say tolerance is the way to go

 

[Spring Onion]

Quite honestly Jana... it's none of my business what anyone believes in!... I say tolerance is the way to go

And i believe you have posted something in hurry without reading whether its discrimination or not or even what does it say

And quite honestly Elmo atleast it is my and some other members' business when something is wrongly projected about Islam it should be explained and clarified.
rest yes its also not my business what anyone believes in or not but atleast Islam has defined the rules for becoming a Muslim.
If any of these basic rules are not followed then you are a non-Muslim and this is indeed not discrimantion but clear defination who is a Muslim and who is not.

Indeed tolerence what we all believe.

 

[Elmo]

And i believe you have posted something in hurry without reading whether its discrimination or not or even what does it say

And quite honestly Elmo atleast it is my and some other members' business when something is wrongly projected about Islam it should be explained and clarified.
rest yes its also not my business what anyone believes in or not but atleast Islam has defined the rules for becoming a Muslim.
If any of these basic rules are not followed then you are a non-Muslim and this is indeed not discrimantion but clear defination who is a Muslim and who is not.

Indeed tolerence what we all believe.

Jana the issue is seriously a no-brainer for me and I wrote what i wrote after reading your post. It wasn't in haste


I'll be honest, I don't like getting involved in debates about religion and who is a Muslim and who is not, Islam et al. There are some issues I draw a line at about debating and this is one of them.

 

[Spring Onion]

Jana the issue is seriously a no-brainer for me and I wrote what i wrote after reading your post. It wasn't in haste


I'll be honest, I don't like getting involved in debates about religion and who is a Muslim and who is not, Islam et al. There are some issues I draw a line at about debating and this is one of them.

With no offense seriously those who do not know about basics of their religion indeed it should be a non-brainer issue for them.

and i call it a day atleast over this here.

 

[Saint N sinnerr]

@ Jana ... stop giving lectures to others what Islam is... the essence of all the relegions is tolerence towards others...love respect and tolerence go hand in hand..
who r U to tell others , r U the man appointed by All-mighty Himself....????
I have read a lot of your posts and U come acroos someone whose a racist thug... Hindus are aliens for U and bashing our relegion is fad for U.
Show me in any thread I disrespected Islam....
One more thing why did U go all crazy after I posted the article did U not read the petty articles in indian section, about `poor , dirty ,and what have you ,India?

 

[deep.ocean]

Jana you are advocating so much on minority issues in India, Its really good to know that you are so concern about Indian Minorities.
Why don't you try to root out the cause for this inhuman treatment of minorities in India and enlight Hindus on how to become more tolerant .. Lets discuss it how can and what steps GoI needs to implement..

I will definately appreciate your comments...

 

[squid]

i m concerned about impostion of jaziya on Sikhs in pakistan

 

[Su 30mki]

hey JANA , you are saying about Gujarat, why didnt yo mention when Muslim mob burn the train?

are the Muslims can commit any crime in the name of religion and then justify?

in Orissa also when they killed the Hindu leader, the riots starts.


All are the adverse reaction of incidence where minority started and followed rebuttal.

Being minority, it don't means you kill and other will sit silent because you being minority.

If you compare Pakistan, they kill minority over rumors, like burning koran book etc.


got the point.....

 

[deep.ocean]

BTW those non-Hindus who were killed enmass recently in India were most converts from hinduism so you can not count them as minorities.

Other then Hindu all are Minority in India.. whether they converted from Hinduism or any other religion...

Ok just look at it through another angle.

Lets start after independence how many times minorities attacked in India and Pakistan.

Riots can take place anywhere anytime... Its kind of chain reactions and politics plays as a catalyst..

Lets check how many times non-Hindus were killed in India after partition.

Please don't forget that How many times Hindus got killed too. All riots should be having some prior events causing rioting.. It depends on those causes.. Afer all humans have their emotions too...

And hey also lets just check how many times the activists of Political parties in India and Pakistan took part in these attacks.

Every time politics involved in sensitive issues like this..

Are you willing to check out the history ?

I am fully aware of Indian History.. You need to check out your own history first, from the time of invasion of Indian subcontinent by your forefathers..

And one more thing today you just tell me one thing why Indian Hindus preffer to kill non-hindus byh burning them alive???

Its obvious all criminals want to destroy all evidence...

I have read on a website run by Sikhs that there is a firm reason for this craze.

There is big difference in Genocide and Riots.... and you guys better know about genocide..

 

[Su 30mki]

In India Minority are given free run to their own affair , like Muslim law board, persona board, which run by Muslim and not by govt.

In education : they given freedom

IN job also u find minorities, in cricket, in Defence, etc

Where did minorites seen in other countries so visible ,. lie PAK, how many minorirtes in PAK Defence Segment?

IN PAK Govt ?

are they have any freedom to run their affairs in like in India.

 

[squid]

Being minority, it don't means you kill and other will sit silent because you being minority.

If you compare Pakistan, they kill minority over rumors, like burning koran book etc.


got the point.....

how can you justify bombard ment of Golden Temple ?

 

[deep.ocean]

how can you justify bombard ment of Golden Temple ?

Just like you guys justify Lal Masjid drama

 

[dvk1982]

That is not discrimination but thats a clear statment and thats what Islam says. for being a Muslim you have to acccept that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is the last Prophet of Allah and there is non to come after him.

Do you blieve those who do not believe in the absolute and unqualified finality of Prophethood of Muhammad (peace be upon Him) or claims to be a Prophet in any sense of the word or of any description whatsoever, after Muhammad (PBUH) or recognizes such a claimant as a Prophet or a Religious Reformer, Are Muslims?


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Jana.. whether it be becoz its the way Islam is or may be becoz ur rulers wanted it to be so... but when u divide people according to ur constitution its a clear discrimination, now sbdy in US and England can argue that blacks race is inferior becoz their race is different from Whites and of course scientifically its different !! wud u still want to see the constitution dividing its people on the base of race or ethnics ? at least these are scientifically proved and not based on some declared holy scripts !!!

A belief,race,ethnics is a personal thing, And west has recognized this reality... have become tolerant to all religions and colors among their citizens... We still dont come to these terms.. a human being is the closest relative to us than any religion !! why dont we get this... the way u argued is the way some hindu fanatics or staunch hindu supporters argue that hinduism is the closest to indian peninsula culture and roots and islam is a foreign religion.. but dont understand that we r first human beings and then affiliate based on religions....

A god of one religion doesn't punish non-believer, only humans punish fellow humans in the name of god... Why sud we divide people based on religion ? was there any religion before 10,000 yrs ? 20,000 yrs ? life is there on earth for atleast 1 billion yrs and we think we r gifted with most advanced BRAIN...

Problem is our Brain has to think sth, gud or bad and has to believe sth islam, hinduism,Christianity or Judaism We are both gifted and cursed to have advanced cognitive abilities...

By the way am not atheist, I am a hindu, but i think Thats secondary to our nationalism and fellow beings...

 

[Su 30mki]

Hey JANA, would you ,like to mention how Muslims Terrorist killed Hindus in j&K ?


How they bomb in Mumbai and then hide in PAK?
How they bomb Mumbai train to kill Hindus?
To they bomb , raj and guj to kill Hindus?
How they attack temple ot kill Hindus?

How many Hindus killed by Muslims?? see above your Muslim minorities are done all this? oh these are minorities. but some point of time , majority with retaliate when water flow above their heads.

then you people come starting bla bla and but silent when Muslims committed crime.