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Will the papas be upgraded or retired ?
Regards,
Sapper
Dude, i think you misread him....he's querying the "Pappa" version of the AIM-9 AAM.
NOTRIUS
This line is a massive assumption A higher pilot to aircraft ratio ensures that the aircraft can quickly be refuelled, turned around and launched with a new driver.
Massive because a light easy to maintain fighter from the 3rd generation MAY NOT SURVIVE the high intensity , multiple BVR salvo , advanced jamming threat from a enemy approaching with su30mki , mirage2000 & mig29 as the agressors.
You seem to think that the F7 is going into battle against superior jets FIGHTING AND WINNING and going back for a second time with new pilot.
VERY PRESUMPTIOUS
No major upgrades or retired, they still have plenty of life left in their airframes so they will continue serving for at least another decade. Besides, PAF is extremely satisfied with its role as a dedicated AD fighter. Non ROSE Mirage's and F7P's will be the first ones to go as they are nearing the end of their lives and their capabilities are very limited compared to that of PG's and ROSE Upgraded Mirage's. There might be minor upgrades but not any major as the bulk of the funding is earmarked for the JF17's and FC20's.
Whatever helps you sleep at night .
Another example of Indian arrogance, you failed to read Santro's posts regarding the performance of the F7PG's against the F16's during the High Mark 2010 exercises. It would be unwise to call the F7PG a basic 3rd Generation Aircraft if you look at its capabilities. Its avionics, radar and weapon systems are up there par with 4th Generation Aircrafts. Learn to read and do your research before blabbering out your mouth, sorry if i am coming out as crude but i am yet to see your maturity level increase by even 1% ever since you joined PDF.
Thanks for clearing that up Sapper,
I was rather pointing to the holistic development of the PAF by western allies as compared to the IAF that was done by the Soviet side.By that I mean the whole package consisting maintenance of equipment and spares,aerial warfare doctrines,organization and structure of the force from the ground up etc. and not just training modules on fighters.Would you contend that the PAF is still the more "westernized" force amongst the two?
Another example of Indian arrogance, you failed to read Santro's posts regarding the performance of the F7PG's against the F16's during the High Mark 2010 exercises. It would be unwise to call the F7PG a basic 3rd Generation Aircraft if you look at its capabilities. Its avionics, radar and weapon systems are up there par with 4th Generation Aircrafts. Learn to read and do your research before blabbering out your mouth, sorry if i am coming out as crude but i am yet to see your maturity level increase by even 1% ever since you joined PDF.
2. The flying hours of IAF aces generally go over 280hr per annum... and for some elite squadron like the ones who flew early Su 30K go as high as 300+ hrs per annum.... 200hr per annum is generally knocked out by regular MKI pilots... not to mention the over 10 hours missions which they usually undertake.... forced to wear astronauts diapers
Hence If 230 hr/annum for USAF is highest then the 300hr/annum for IAF MKI Pilots is even higher.
as for rest please carry on.
USAF had been a great great help till they diverted from GDP philosophy, while PAF/IsraelAF stuck with it. Now everyone wants back in, but they will require too much time and effort, and lots and lots of money to regain back their multi purpose pilot doctrine.
Regards,
Sapper
A very popular quote among the posters from the other side... used so many many times that it has lost its taste.
Try some ting new..... as for sleep I am sure he can take some sleeping pills to overcome the fear of your Mighty F-7.
What classifies a fighter aircraft as 4th gen. in its category ??.... even a Bison was able to jam F-15's radars and kill it in WVR...
If it were to go by your way you would make F-7PG a 5th gen... and then a 6th... and so on.... did you research before blabbering did you ??
I think you got confused, i was not talking about F7-Papa, rather AIM 9-Papa.
According to my knownledge, PAF also acquired upgrade kits for AIM Lima-Papa, My question is, Will Lima & Papa both be upgraded to Mike, or only Lima upgraded to Mike and Papas retired ?
On your point, I fore see F7PGs forming the bulk of OCC squadrons, and i would specially like if they remain so, and it may even happen that PAF may acuire some more just for their dedicated OCC units, as it will be futile to get rookies straight into Thunders and Vipers for OCC.
I am talking about a BVR engagment. IN CASE YOU ARE AS SLEEP for the last decade " you may have missed the point that IAF is training to fight a BVR war. THIS IS WHY they field over 400 bvr capable fighters.
F7PG cannot fight BVR scenario