THE PAKISTAN WE LOST SOMEWHERE BETWEEN OUR EGOS AND IMMORALITIES

[Norwegian]

Umar bin Khatab's system? You can create a thread for that if you want on how to apply a legal system from hundreds upon hundreds of years ago in the 21st century, and how it will solve all of Pakistan's problems. Many will support you in such an endeavor, but not me.

Umar bin Khatab's system didn't even work well in Arabia, how the heck our gullible public believe it will work in a messy state like Pakistan?

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

Its not my job to provide you with anything. Read Hudood Laws which your Islamist general enacted based on Shariah:
Proof of Zina or Zina-bil-Jabr liable to Hadd Under Section 8
Zina or Zina-bil-Jabr liable to hadd shall be provided in any one of the following forms
(i) Confession
the blamed makes in the eyes of a Court for capable ward confession of the commission of the offence.
(ii) By evidence of witnesses
It might be proved by the proof of minimum four witnesses, who give evidence as eye witnesses of the act of penetration.
Requirement Regarding Witnesses
vWitnesses must be male
vThey must be adult
vThey must be Muslim but if accused in non-Muslim, the eye-witnesses may be non-Muslim

vThe court must be fulfilled about them having regard to the requirements of tazkiyah-al-shahood (mode of inquiry adopted by a Court to satisfy itself as to the credibility of a witness that they are “truthful person” and “abstain from major sins”
Zina and Zina-Bil-Jabar in Hudood Laws - The Law Study

I asked for Sharia, not some ''Law Society blog''. This is NOT evidence! Do you even know what is Sharia? I asked for evidence from the SHARIA! It is NOT my job to teach an ignorant person about Islam when YOU are the one who is FALSELY attributing to things Islam.

1). BRING ME evidence from Quran was'Sunnah of Nabi As'salaathu was'salaam.

2). You are the one who LIED about Ibn Hisham and Ibn Ishaq rahim'Allah alyahum and claimed quoted false accounts of the Seerah and attributed to them.

YOU STILL HAVE NOT PROVIDED ME WITH EVIDENCE FROM THE TWO SEERAHs!

I await your answers for both 1 and 2!

 

[VCheng]

Hi,

How do you know that one in 7 century will not work?
Hence, which is the reason why i asked you to tell me if its not relevant today.

Unless ofc you have deeply studied that system to argue

That discussion will take this thread off topic. You can make a thread as I suggested above, if you'd like.

 

[Norwegian]

How do you know that one in 7 century will not work?

Come on. That system didn't work very well in 7th century either. No wonder why it was abandoned by Omar's successors.

I asked for Sharia, not some ''Law Society blog''. This is NOT evidence! Do you even know what is Sharia? I asked for evidence from the SHARIA! It is NOT my job to teach an ignorant person about Islam when YOU are the one who is FALSELY attributing to things Islam.

Hudood Laws are based on Shariah. So either you claim Hudood Laws are not Shariah or Shariah is not Hudood Laws. Make up your mind, dummy.

 

[salarsikander]

Come on. That system didn't work very well in 7th century either. No wonder why it was abandoned by Omar's successors.

Hi,
The fact that it wasn't passed onto successor,does not mean that It wasn't successful.

It could be well in fact be the reason due to animosity or political opposition.

looking at history, we have come a long way from Khilafat to mulkiyet, hence which is the reason why we have so MANY ARAB islamic states instead of one

 

[VCheng]

Umar bin Khatab's system didn't even work well in Arabia, how the heck our gullible public believe it will work in a messy state like Pakistan?

Well, people are entitled to believe in whatever they wish to believe in, as their right.

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

Actually, radicals are the ones like you trying to take a nuclear power back into the seventh century, including its laws and practices. It simply will not work in the 21st century.

If we wanted to ''TAKE-OVER'' the country who would stop us? You? India? Amerika? There are 38 million madaris graduates in 20 years and your talking about taking-over. Our Iman says, let them be and Allah will deal with them.

Please don't make hollow statements. We are Pakistanis, NOT Iraqis that run away!

Coming back to the question, please tell me how it would not work?

 

[Norwegian]

The fact that it wasn't passed onto successor,does not mean that It wasn't successful.

Sure does. Caliphate was ended in 1924 because it wasn't successful. Kingdom was abandoned in South Asia because it failed. Want more examples?

 

[VCheng]

If we wanted to ''TAKE-OVER'' the country who would stop us? You? India? Amerika? There are 38 million madaris graduates in 20 years and your talking about taking-over. Our Iman says, let them be and Allah will deal with them.

Please don't make hollow statements. We are Pakistanis, NOT Iraqis that run away!

Coming back to the question, please tell me how it would not work?

Yes, look at the way Allah is dealing with Pakistan. Whether Umar's system will work or not for Paksitan now is a debate for some other thread, not this one, as I have repeatedly mentioned above.

 

[Norwegian]

If we wanted to ''TAKE-OVER'' the country who would stop us? You? India? Amerika? There are 38 million madaris graduates in 20 years and your talking about taking-over. Our Iman says, let them be and Allah will deal with them.

Madaris love doing discreetly. Of course the awam rejects their mandate over and over again.

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

Umar bin Khatab's system didn't even work well in Arabia, how the heck our gullible public believe it will work in a messy state like Pakistan?

Again you're making statements that you can't back up. I suggest you give me evidence of what you say.

 

[Norwegian]

Again you're making statements that you can't back up. I suggest you give me evidence of what you say.

It was abandoned by his successors, remember?

 

[salarsikander]

Sure does. Caliphate was ended in 1924 because it wasn't successful. Kingdom was abandoned in South Asia because it failed. Want more examples?

Hi,

The people who ran the system failed. Not the system itself.

Since the system itself required a very devoted and committed person

 

[Norwegian]

The people who ran the system failed. Not the system itself.

OK, let me know when you get these devoted people in the 21st century...

 

[salarsikander]

OK, let me know when you get these devoted people in the 21st century...

Hi,
Hard to say the people we have, that such system will work.

But that does not negate the fact that it had the highest benchmark of justice even witnessed by world