The Pakistan Ultimatum

[F-16_Falcon]

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The Pakistan ultimatum by Najam Sethi | Columnspk.com | English Newspaper Columns, News, Top Stories, World News, Politics, Middle East

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[RazorMC]

Anyways, IMO we should have good ties with the US and Europe just as they want good ties with us.
But we unfortunately think that good ties automatically mean friends or buddies. The US does not want to be our friend at all. And even if they did want to, it wouldn't work. Pakistan is not strong enough to maintain balance in such a relation, hence no force behind the ultimatum.

 

[muse]

Yes of course we should have not just good but excellent relations --- ALL of that begins with a healthy vibrant and hopeful economy -- That's the only way things make sense, all else is oppression whether it comes from inside or from outside.

Why is there support for insurgency in Pakistan?? (see Economy)
Why does Pakistan find herself the plaything of foreign powers (see Economy)
Why does Pakistan rely on foreign capital? (See why there is support for insurgency in Pakistan - AKA See Economy)

In the meantime, while Pakistan's politicians (Civilian and Uniformed) begin to understand that they are in charge of one of the most powerful, one of the most potent, one of the most hopeful, nation state on the face of the earth and that their failure will lead to end of that nation state and the loss of those politicians heads, and that to begin saving both the nation, the State and their own heads, they may want to become serious - Kill this insurgency, it's the one most effective way to get back on your feet, move along the path to true freedom (see Economy) and by doing so allow foreign powers and domestic enemies to learn their limits.

 

[ramu]

Yes of course we should have not just good but excellent relations --- ALL of that begins with a healthy vibrant and hopeful economy -- That's the only way things make sense, all else is oppression whether it comes from inside or from outside.

Why is there support for insurgency in Pakistan?? (see Economy)
Why does Pakistan find herself the plaything of foreign powers (see Economy)
Why does Pakistan rely on foreign capital? (See why there is support for insurgency in Pakistan - AKA See Economy)

In the meantime, while Pakistan's politicians (Civilian and Uniformed) begin to understand that they are in charge of one of the most powerful, one of the most potent, one of the most hopeful, nation state on the face of the earth and that their failure will lead to end of that nation state and the loss of those politicians heads, and that to begin saving both the nation, the State and their own heads, they may want to become serious - Kill this insurgency, it's the one most effective way to get back on your feet, move along the path to true freedom (see Economy) and by doing so allow foreign powers and domestic enemies to learn their limits.

How true ... If only the powerful in Pakistan worked for a nation and not for themselves.

 

[SMC]

The phrase, the whole world (which i I didnt use), does not technically mean 100% of the world population. It is used as a substitute to majority opinion. And about your claim that its only India and USA that share the negative opinion about Pakistan, well, go thru the below "WESTERN PROPAGANDA"

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/mar11/BBCEvals_Mar11_rpt.pdf

Looks like even if I did use the phrase in question, I wouldnt have been too off the mark

Special mention needs to be made to the chinese opinion of Pakistan

I thought we were talking about the states, not what people living within the countries think

That's still a far cry from what bharatis claim.

In fact, the only state that thinks the way about Pakistan the way bharatis claim all the states in the world think about Pakistan is only bharat.

BTW, even in this poll, it doesn't say what people think of each country on this issue or on that issue. That's something that you're claiming - that the the whole world thinks of Pakistan like that on this certain issue or that certain issue.

 

[SMC]

exactly the wishful thinking i was refering to. You think winding down is a joke that 1 fine day USA general will get up and say that lets start winding down. There are zero preparations on the ground as a prelude to that so anticipated (by Pakistan) wind down. If anything, the area of operations within pakistan has been going up. and so is the tone of USA diplomats and military folks about their presence and activities in the area.

US government ITSELF has said that they will start winding down this summer. What the hell have you been following?

 

[RazorMC]

Yes of course we should have not just good but excellent relations --- ALL of that begins with a healthy vibrant and hopeful economy

Bullseye !! Countries around the world are looking for better relations esp. through trade. Without money, we're like a boat made of lead.

Why is there support for insurgency in Pakistan?? (see Economy)

Bad policies with regards to development in many regions including FATA and a crumbling education system also play their role in this. We desperately need funds and people like Dr. Atta ur-Rehman who atleast had a plan in mind.

 

[SMIQBAL]

The Wall Street Journal

The Pakistan Ultimatum
Much as after 9/11, Islamabad has to choose whose side it is on

So Pakistan now demands that the United States withdraw hundreds of American intelligence operatives and special-ops trainers from its soil and stop the CIA drone strikes on al Qaeda, Taliban and affiliated terrorists. Maybe the Obama Administration can inform its friends in Islamabad that, when it comes to this particular fight, the U.S. will continue to pursue its enemies wherever they may be, with or without Pakistan's cooperation................./

I have posted my comments on WSJ.Community in respect of The Pakistan Ultimatum. The same are reproduced here>

"Salam to Community,
It is not a time for Ultimatums or any mis-adventure.Think of ground realities in Pakistan. Pakistan's province of Baluchistan is facing insurgency,Punjab is facing Mullahs, Sindh is targeted to ruin the economy, dead economic position of majority of people, lack of health facilities, lack of education. Your only worry is ISI whereas Pakistan has to worry for these things. The people of Pakistan had always welcome US and always supported their policies. Today there is a trust deficit. We are friends. Friends are always accepted with their good and bad. Please directly come with your demands what do you want from Pakistan and take necessary steps to redress the grievances of Pakistan no doubt there shall be a solution. A Friendly solution. You are coming as friends but you are protecting the interest of Pakistan enemies. Say and hear, work together, we are here to remove your reservations. We shall not accept domination of any other country in the region but we can accept the domination of Friends. Stop all blame games. Come with clean hands, you will find Pakistan a friend as good as it was in the past. Pakistan in protecting American on its soil and giving sacrifices of its own people and we shall continue to protect the Americans on Pakistan soil. There is no need of any bullet, the time is for dialogue, a direct talk. We are your ally, we are working for you to the extend of your interest, but if you want to protect the interest of some other countries Pakistan shall negate such proposals in the interest of Pakistan. The Jehadis in Pakistan are in a small number, they cannot capture or control the Nukes of Pakistan, neither they dare to think of it. We are as strong as we were, and protecting our assets. The reservations on ISI can be removed. Remove the reservation of Pakistan regarding involvement of foreign hands in insurgency inside Pakistan. Come give and take. We are your friend and you find us a good ally.
God Bless Pakistan.
SMIQBAL"

My comments were made part of discussions for few hours and later these were removed from the community site without giving any reasons.
SMIQBAL.

 

[foxbat]

I thought we were talking about the states, not what people living within the countries think

That's still a far cry from what bharatis claim.

In fact, the only state that thinks the way about Pakistan the way bharatis claim all the states in the world think about Pakistan is only bharat.

BTW, even in this poll, it doesn't say what people think of each country on this issue or on that issue. That's something that you're claiming - that the the whole world thinks of Pakistan like that on this certain issue or that certain issue.

Dont you so wish that putting a series of smilies at the end of a sentence actually gives any weight to it..

and even if the concept of democracy hasnt found too much of acceptance in Pakistan, in a lot of countries practicing democracy, the opinion of people in one form or the other translates to the state opinion. It may take some time like it is taking in case of USA - Pak relations, but slowly and steadily, thats what happens..

anyway, I still dont know where the "WHOLE WORLD" thing come from..

 

[foxbat]

US government ITSELF has said that they will start winding down this summer. What the hell have you been following?

The actual actions on the ground. and from a winding down perspective (its already nearing 2011 summer) they are pretty much non existent..Anyway, the end of summer is only a few months away. The only thing of interest is the excuse that the NATO/US forces will give to push out the timeline

 

[53fd]

I think the Western countries need to take out their frustrations on themselves, rather than blaming Pakistan for their own failures.

 

[SMC]

Dont you so wish that putting a series of smilies at the end of a sentence actually gives any weight to it..

and even if the concept of democracy hasnt found too much of acceptance in Pakistan, in a lot of countries practicing democracy, the opinion of people in one form or the other translates to the state opinion. It may take some time like it is taking in case of USA - Pak relations, but slowly and steadily, thats what happens..

I am not sure what that has to do with as far as what we were discussing was concerned.

anyway, I still dont know where the "WHOLE WORLD" thing come from..

Here's where it came from. Bharatis consistently claim that the whole world thinks of Pakistan this way, that way. The whole world believes Pakistan supports terrorist groups, the whole world doesn't have any sympathy for Pakistan, etc, etc. I just have to remind them that's not the case.

 

[SMC]

The actual actions on the ground. and from a winding down perspective (its already nearing 2011 summer) they are pretty much non existent..Anyway, the end of summer is only a few months away. The only thing of interest is the excuse that the NATO/US forces will give to push out the timeline

Yes, they're talking about reducing troops by 30,000.

But remember that NATO has to pay warlords and Taliban groups to stay alive. Otherwise there'd be body bags probably by hundreds arriving in the US.

 

[Majnun]

Ah yes, T-Faz, I suppose you would ignore how much aid Saudi Arabia gave to Pakistan as compared to other countries after the floods. What harmed Pakistan was our own national policy, which happened to tie in with Saudi Arabia's spreading of Wahhabi Islam. Anyways, at least Saudi Arabia are more sincere than Iran.